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shroomiere


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WLP and Homegrown Woodlovers?
#26983763 - 10/13/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry if this belongs elsewhere, but it seems like most Woodlover discussion happens here.
So, Woodlover Paralysis (WLP) seems to be a big unknown factor in consuming woodlovers, and it seems common enough to put people off Woodlovers entirely, at least in their native ranges.
I've read some of the theories around it: that it's caused by bacterial symbiotes/commensals, or that it's a rot on the caps, or that it's a quaternary ammonium alkaloid, or that it's something absorbed from the substrate wood, and so on.. but nobody knows yet for sure.
But one thing I'd like to iron out is: has anyone got WLP from shrooms they grew themselves, on a known substrate?
Because that would help iron out whether WLP is something influenced by the substrate. It could still be anywhere from:
- Toxin absorbed from substrate
- Substrate affects endogenous alkaloid balance
- Some commensal that prefers some woods over others
- Mushrooms are more or less resilient to rot depending on substrate
..so it wouldn't actually help solve the mystery of WLP. But it would certainly help people to know how safe Woodlovers are when grown deliberately.
I'd like to start growing Azures, and the WLP problem is worrying.
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mycot
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Re: WLP and Homegrown Woodlovers? [Re: shroomiere]
#26984000 - 10/13/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've never heard of WLP. You're not just putting us on, are you?
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Nickoloxious
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Re: WLP and Homegrown Woodlovers? [Re: mycot]
#26984248 - 10/13/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is a thing, though it is very uncommon. Here's a link with some info and expierences; Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis"
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shroomiere


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Re: WLP and Homegrown Woodlovers? [Re: mycot]
#26984394 - 10/14/20 01:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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mycot said: I've never heard of WLP. You're not just putting us on, are you?
Come on, do a bit of searching before accusing people, please.
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mycot
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Re: WLP and Homegrown Woodlovers? [Re: shroomiere]
#26984463 - 10/14/20 03:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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shroomiere said:
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mycot said: I've never heard of WLP. You're not just putting us on, are you?
Come on, do a bit of searching before accusing people, please.
You seem to do a bit of arousing yourself without providing much in the way of information. Yes I misread accusing as arousing by accident. As it is I made no accusation but asked a question. Giving out so little information, it would be amazing if peeps would even bother replying let alone going on a search. I don't wish to antagonize but I think you are out of line. .
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Rumblestrip


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Re: WLP and Homegrown Woodlovers? [Re: mycot]
#26984856 - 10/14/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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mycot said:
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shroomiere said:
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mycot said: I've never heard of WLP. You're not just putting us on, are you?
Come on, do a bit of searching before accusing people, please.
You seem to do a bit of arousing yourself without providing much in the way of information. Yes I misread accusing as arousing by accident. As it is I made no accusation but asked a question. Giving out so little information, it would be amazing if peeps would even bother replying let alone going on a search. I don't wish to antagonize but I think you are out of line. .
Wlp is a very well known thing and has been for years among the woodlover community. I've read of an account of it happening to someone with homegrown cyans. Since most are wild foraged that's where the majority of the reports come from. I haven't had it but do get painful/arthritic joints from azurescens.
Edited by Rumblestrip (10/14/20 11:08 AM)
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mycot
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Re: WLP and Homegrown Woodlovers? [Re: Rumblestrip]
#26985498 - 10/14/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Rumblestrip said: Wlp is a very well known thing and has been for years among the woodlover community.
It may have been more appropriate to have shortened this to read.- "Wlp is a very well known thing for years among the woodlover community." Not so well known amongst those just into finding or growing psychoactive woodlovers. Or are things that different in the States?
Edited by mycot (10/14/20 04:47 PM)
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shroomiere


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Re: WLP and Homegrown Woodlovers? [Re: shroomiere]
#27028759 - 11/08/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just bumping this (sorry!) to point any future readers at this thread of brave self-experimentation by another shroomerite:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26668428/fpart/1/vc/1
Doesn't exactly answer my questions about whether it could be related to strains, substrate, or the genetics of the person eating the mushroom, but the possible insight about younger mushrooms having less risk of WLP is pretty exciting.
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djbabyjesus


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Re: WLP and Homegrown Woodlovers? [Re: shroomiere]
#28272123 - 04/11/23 12:32 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Bump. I just got a report from a fellow shroomerite that yes indeed you can get WLP from a home grown patch. I asked where they got the shrooms that gave them WLP and they said...
"Homegrown, millet to alder sawdust to mixed soaked woodchips, cased with an inch of soil and ophiopogon growing on top"
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