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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26981030 - 10/12/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

they get it worse on the medication

and become worse for others

what effect is there otherwise?

what does it mean beyond that?

isn't it 90%?


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26981284 - 10/12/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think your consciousness is erased on ego death...although there are varying degrees of ego death. One, you can definitely still manuever around reality, but you're basically confined to stumbling about your bed and meditating on stuff with an eye mask.

With ego death for me, one of two things happens. Depends on the substance. With enough salvia, I can achieve complete ego death with my consciousness temporarily displaced.

With other substances, my ego is destroyed temporarily, I can usually tell about 15 minutes before ego death occurs on stuff like LSD. All I have to do, is look in the mirror and if my face keeps changing appearance then I gotta put on an eyemask immediately and meditate. With LSD specifically I will kind of cry a little bit before I "die", and it does feel like I might actually die...so I clutch a pillow and enjoy the ride while I meditate to insane CEVs.


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: skOsH]
    #26981323 - 10/12/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

skOsH
the confusion is really just about heavy dosing: In your comment remove the term ego death and replace with either Amnesia or Overdose - which in psychedelics is a non-fatal effect, TOO MUCH DRUG for memory to operate, or Total disorientation.

Total disorientation is not ego death.


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #26981373 - 10/12/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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No, you remain conscious & aware.....it’s just that pure awareness is all that there is. No boundaries.....and it doesn’t last either.




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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: nooneman]
    #26981381 - 10/12/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Dont u love when some noob eats a shit load of shroomsd and then completly unprepared it hits him in the face and he crashes for few hours into complete oblivion, then comes back to tell he had level 5 "ego loss" :rolleyes:


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26981510 - 10/12/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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the confusion is really just about heavy dosing: In your comment remove the term ego death and replace with either Amnesia or Overdose - which in psychedelics is a non-fatal effect, TOO MUCH DRUG for memory to operate, or Total disorientation.

Total disorientation is not ego death.




I don't think I made myself clear. I actually feel like I am dying and I forget my body and then I am everything. I doubt 400mcg of LSD is an overdose. It seems like ego death to me. Listening to meditation music with an eyemask on seems like a normal...thing to do, on LSD.


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: skOsH]
    #26981526 - 10/12/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: skOsH]
    #26982005 - 10/12/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think I made myself clear. I actually feel like I am dying and I forget my body and then I am everything. I doubt 400mcg of LSD is an overdose. It seems like ego death to me. Listening to meditation music with an eyemask on seems like a normal...thing to do, on LSD.




I would agree in that case, although LSD is a bit safer to take higher doses on and have a meaningful experience and not call it an "od". 

I do agree that some of the doses people take, especially of mushrooms, are in the "od" range, where blackout does often occur.  But with a high dose of LSD when you remember the whole thing, I wouldn't call it that.  I think it got confused where you said "stumbling around", because that's what many do on an overdose/blackout situation of other hallucinogens.  But re-reading, I think I understand what you meant, and have been there :wink:  Not an overdose at all for myself either.


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26982043 - 10/12/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Dont u love when some noob eats a shit load of shroomsd and then completly unprepared it hits him in the face and he crashes for few hours into complete oblivion, then comes back to tell he had level 5 "ego loss" :rolleyes:




Don’t know why it has to be so competitive. The term ‘noob’ implies we are discussing a competitive sport!

So called ego death isn’t that difficult to attain if the dose is high enough, not as if we are talking about enlightenment.

No offense, but I can sympathize because it’s pretty galling when after merely describing a powerful life changing psychedelic experience a stranger online wants to tell you what you did or didn’t experience!


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: wolf8312] * 1
    #26982059 - 10/12/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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it’s pretty galling when after merely describing a powerful life changing psychedelic experience a stranger online wants to tell you what you did or didn’t experience!




I gotta agree there, we must remember that experience is subjective - in other words, what someone says it is, it in fact is

There's no objective reality to someone's personal experience.


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Archy of Aedon]
    #26982113 - 10/12/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I've had only 1 complete ego death moment in my life, it was with LSD. After the trip, I had lost a lot of memory about who I was before the trip and my ego was essentially nonexistent. I went from very high confidence and ego to having virtually no ego or confidence at all. It made me feel suicidal as I went from so high up to pretty much feeling like I was nothing. It took more than a year to recover and I think I can say at this point I have fully recovered but it was kind of like you living in a huge house with everything you want then 1 second later you're homeless and have nothing. It took months for me to remember what I was like before the trip and remember how I usually acted. It was like a full restart in your mind. I honestly wouldn't recommend something like that to anyone. You can, of course, have partial ego death which is more comforting but what I had was probably the worst experience of my life. The trip was fine so no I did not have a bad trip or anything but the after-effects really affected me


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Saul Ptamets]
    #26982484 - 10/12/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Reminds me of:  Jill Bolte Taylor's        Story

"My Stroke of Insight: A Brain Scientist's Personal Journey "

"On the morning of December 10, 1996 Jill Bolte Taylor, a 37-year-old Harvard-trained brain scientist experienced a massive stroke when a blood vessel exploded in the left side of her brain. A neuroanatomist by profession, she observed her own mind completely deteriorate to the point that she could not walk, talk, read, write, or recall any of her life, all within the space of four brief hours.
As the damaged left side of her brain - the rational, grounded, detail and time-oriented side - swung in and out of function, Taylor alternated between two distinct and opposite realties: the euphoric nirvana of the intuitive and kinesthetic right brain, in which she felt a sense of complete well-being and peace; and the logical, sequential left brain, which recognized Jill was having a stroke, and enabled her to seek help before she was lost completely.

In My Stroke of Insight, Taylor shares her unique perspective on the brain and its capacity for recovery, and the sense of omniscient understanding she gained from this unusual and inspiring voyage out of the abyss of a wounded brain. It would take eight years for Taylor to heal completely. Because of her knowledge of how the brain works, her respect for the cells composing her human form, and most of all an amazing mother, Taylor completely repaired her mind and recalibrated her understanding of the world according to the insights gained from her right brain that morning of December 10th.

Today Taylor is convinced that the stroke was the best thing that could have happened to her. It has taught her that the feeling of nirvana is never more than a mere thought away. By stepping to the right of our left brains, we can all uncover the feelings of well-being and peace that are so often sidelined by our own brain chatter.

A fascinating journey into the mechanics of the human mind, My Stroke of Insight is both a valuable recovery guide for anyone touched by a brain injury, and an emotionally stirring ..."

https://www.amazon.com/My-Stroke-Insight-Scientists-Personal/dp/B0020NH94A/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1602561363&sr=1-2


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Forrester]
    #26982684 - 10/13/20 12:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think I made myself clear. I actually feel like I am dying and I forget my body and then I am everything. I doubt 400mcg of LSD is an overdose. It seems like ego death to me. Listening to meditation music with an eyemask on seems like a normal...thing to do, on LSD.




I would agree in that case, although LSD is a bit safer to take higher doses on and have a meaningful experience and not call it an "od". 

I do agree that some of the doses people take, especially of mushrooms, are in the "od" range, where blackout does often occur.  But with a high dose of LSD when you remember the whole thing, I wouldn't call it that.  I think it got confused where you said "stumbling around", because that's what many do on an overdose/blackout situation of other hallucinogens.  But re-reading, I think I understand what you meant, and have been there :wink:  Not an overdose at all for myself either.




Yeah when I wrote about the stumbling around it's more of me trying to literally avoid tripping over wires (from my headphones, really need to use wireless ones lol), or trying to remember where I just put something lol. I don't think I've blacked out, really. I guess my consciousness is not really erased, just cleaned, I guess is the proper term I should use. It's very refreshing post trip. But usually I pine for ego death and make sure I am taking a dose high enough to achieve it, but not overdo it. Ego death for me is respite from PTSD. I am sure many would think this logic is backwards, and that ego death would only make it worse, but "surviving" the trip makes my brain consider the PTSD to be peanuts in comparison for a good while. If I achieve ego death my symptoms disappear for months, sometimes if I am lucky, a year.

Ego death, I think, every now and then, is a good thing. Although some people enjoy lower doses and I respect that. Everyone wants to get what they want out of the experience, and that is dependent on their own desires and needs, which, if they plan the trip right and not much goes off the rails, they can integrate post trip and feel amazing. Takes some practice though


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: skOsH]
    #26982816 - 10/13/20 06:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

thanks for your explanation.

you have the right to use it how you like.

psychedelic blasting caps for safe self demolition.
there is some sanity in it, and some pleasure too.


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Saul Ptamets]
    #26982819 - 10/13/20 06:34 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I've had only 1 complete ego death moment in my life, it was with LSD. After the trip, I had lost a lot of memory about who I was before the trip and my ego was essentially nonexistent. I went from very high confidence and ego to having virtually no ego or confidence at all. It made me feel suicidal as I went from so high up to pretty much feeling like I was nothing. It took more than a year to recover and I think I can say at this point I have fully recovered but it was kind of like you living in a huge house with everything you want then 1 second later you're homeless and have nothing. It took months for me to remember what I was like before the trip and remember how I usually acted. It was like a full restart in your mind. I honestly wouldn't recommend something like that to anyone. You can, of course, have partial ego death which is more comforting but what I had was probably the worst experience of my life. The trip was fine so no I did not have a bad trip or anything but the after-effects really affected me





Here we go again. I bet u didnt even read replies in this thread.

:rolleyes:

If you had true ego loss it would actually HEAL you , not give you a year worth of mental instability


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26982821 - 10/13/20 06:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

As for right and left brain i know evberything about that.

Dolphins actually evolved to  shut down their left brain completly and only operate using their right brain.

I actually experienced something similar myself. I was fiddling with brain chakras and at some point i isolated left brain completly and started operating using right brain only... but THEY showed up and ruined the whole experience for me. Now im back to normal


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26983012 - 10/13/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26983139 - 10/13/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Reminds me of:  Jill Bolte Taylor's        Story

"My Stroke of Insight: A Brain Scientist's Personal Journey "

A neuroanatomist by profession, she observed her own mind completely deteriorate to the point that she could not walk, talk, read, write, or recall any of her life, all within the space of four brief hours.

Thats what happened to me, I cant remember if I couldn't walk though. Everything else though happened to me


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26983140 - 10/13/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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As for right and left brain i know evberything about that.

Dolphins actually evolved to  shut down their left brain completly and only operate using their right brain.

I actually experienced something similar myself. I was fiddling with brain chakras and at some point i isolated left brain completly and started operating using right brain only... but THEY showed up and ruined the whole experience for me. Now im back to normal



how do you just turn off 1 side of your brain


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Re: Does Ego Death lead to the erasure of your consciousness? [Re: Saul Ptamets]
    #26983179 - 10/13/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thro meditation and psychic evolution


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