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Allium
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Gymnopilus!
#26981737 - 10/12/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Found these while fishing today,and I know they are psychoactive.
This being said, this probably isn't enough for a trip right?
Also, what species do you think these guys are?




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Re: Gymnopilus! [Re: Allium]
#26981754 - 10/12/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Probably G. subspectabilis, I'd probably get a buzz off those
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Allium
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Coolness! I know I should wait for more,and just hold off on these, but I have never found them here before,and who knows if they will ever fruit again, so I might just eat em!
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Re: Gymnopilus! [Re: Allium]
#26981816 - 10/12/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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With those deep yellow caps I would guess those to be G.luteoviridis. Yes they are active. You might want to take a sporeprint or some gill tissue before eating those. Nice find and Bon Appertit
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Re: Gymnopilus! [Re: mycot]
#26981821 - 10/12/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, G.luteoviridis is what I actually first thought! Got the spore print in the works, thanks 
Any other opinions?
Edited by Allium (10/12/20 03:56 PM)
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Gymnopilus Quote:
Moria841 said: Probably G. subspectabilis, I'd probably get a buzz off those
Now called G junonius, G. Luteoviridis doesn’t have a persistent annulus, and tends to have a long & slender stem, compared to the genus Gumnopilus, as a whole.
Edited by manOwar (10/12/20 04:16 PM)
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Re: Gymnopilus! [Re: manOwar]
#26981871 - 10/12/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, G. junonius doesn't grow in north america
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According to who? All the sources I have looked at, it does. Although I know there has been talk of whether or not the ones in the Americas, should be given separate names, if that has happened it is news to me.
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Re: Gymnopilus! [Re: manOwar]
#26981949 - 10/12/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Gymnopilus! [Re: manOwar]
#26981953 - 10/12/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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manOwar said: According to who? All the sources I have looked at, it does. Although I know there has been talk of whether or not the ones in the Americas, should be given separate names, if that has happened it is news to me.
Alan just posted a bunch of information on this. The genus gymnopilus is a train wreck right now.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26638594/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/2
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Re: Gymnopilus! [Re: manOwar]
#26981957 - 10/12/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Moria841 is correct, at least as far that G.junonius has never been recorded in North America under that name. For a more complete discussion on the really confusing G.junonius taxonomy one ought to really check out the thread "New paper on the Gymnopilus junonius group" in this very sub-forum.
As for the shrooms in the OP they are G.luteoviridis.
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Quote:
MentalPariah said:
Alan just posted a bunch of information on this. The genus gymnopilus is a train wreck right now.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26638594/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/2
You posted this while I was typing my last post. Its the same thread I mentioned.
If you haven't already you ought to check out my own recent contribution to that trainwreck in that thread.
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Re: Gymnopilus! [Re: mycot]
#26982026 - 10/12/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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They aren't G. luteoviridis. G. luteoviridis lacks an annulus, which these specimens all clearly have. They appear virtually identical to these specimens of G. subspectabilis I've found myself:
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I hate to say it but I still Have to respectfully disagree. I see the pics in the OP and yours as two different species. Differences I see. Yours has a much fatter more coursely textured stem. Look at the second pic in the OP. That shroom looks delicate in comparison. That wispy bit of fluff I would hardly call an annulus, which doesn't look terribly stronger in the fifth pic. In contrast I see the Junonius group as having a strong firm annulus. Thank you for the feedback. 
I'm editing this post because I feel that I do have to backtrack some. While the differences I pointed out do seem to hold as the shrooms in the opening post are small in size and junonius group are often large shrooms. Main reason I am backtracking is that looking at other pics of G.luteofolius they have even less of an annulus than those in the opening post.
So I don't know what these are. I may well have to go along with your identification even if reluctantly so. I apologize for any inconvenience.
Edited by mycot (10/12/20 07:21 PM)
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Re: Gymnopilus! [Re: mycot]
#26982130 - 10/12/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The stipe of G. luteoviridis is described as being .3 - .5 cm thick, which all three of these specimens appear to exceed
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I was editing my last post while you were posting yours. Although I concede half of me wants to reject the identification. Partly due to the blue-green tones in the opening pic and the possible/probable activity. Good point in you're last post. 
Have you found activity or blue-green colors in G.subspectabilis? Thanks!
I feel like I should be putting in the embarrassed blush icon in my edit of my last post, but that would screw up the timing of the last few posts even more. I might just add that icon right here. the reason being that I have another question. Using the search posts function I notice that almost half (8 out of 18) the threads on the shroomery where G.subspectabilis is mentioned are threads of the most recent year. The previous mention of it by year is in 2015. Mentions are even rarer in previous years. So I kind of wonder why this may be so?
Edited by mycot (10/13/20 03:00 PM)
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Re: Gymnopilus! [Re: mycot]
#26982389 - 10/12/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yummy Nice find man, wish I could find those fatties around here
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I've found abnormally strong bruising and activity on the ones I've been calling G. subspectabilis since the recently published paper (I was calling them G. junonius/G. spectabilis beforehand), and although I'll concede I can't be certain that's what they are, I think it'd be unlikely for G. luteoviridis to have a range all the way north to New Jersey
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Quote:
Moria841 said: I've found abnormally strong bruising and activity on the ones I've been calling G. subspectabilis since the recently published paper (I was calling them G. junonius/G. spectabilis beforehand), and although I'll concede I can't be certain that's what they are, I think it'd be unlikely for G. luteoviridis to have a range all the way north to New Jersey
Most interesting post. Though I have abandoned the G.luteoviridis identification for reasons already expressed. Although I can't be certain I feel that we may possibly have here two separate unknown species or just one species of unknown taxonomy, though I favor the former. The whole Junonius clade is a mess the way I see it.
Which paper are you referring to in your post? The one thats already been mentioned in this thread? In that paper there are links to photographs of G.subspectabilis. They are a lot paler in color than the gyms pics in this thread which appear very bright yellow. What a mystery.
Edited by mycot (10/12/20 10:46 PM)
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Re: Gymnopilus! [Re: mycot]
#26982650 - 10/13/20 12:01 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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We're all just as confused as you are with this genus, but Allium could send a spore print in for microscopy work if they'd like to help solve the mystery, at least for now. Yeah it's the paper I posted, it doesn't match the colour perfectly but to my knowledge there's not many other species it could be, perhaps G. luteus if it was growing straight from wood, but these bear an uncanny resemblance to the ones I find that always fruit terrestrially
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