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Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel
#26982505 - 10/12/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi there,
I want to know if daily intake of mushrooms can develop Clairvoyance? Also i want to know if one takes mushrooms daily that the possibility of astral projection is increased?
If so how much should a person take? 0.5gr 1gr 1,5gr 2gr, 3gr?
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: josbos]
#26982524 - 10/12/20 10:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd say no to both.
The longest daily streak of taking mushrooms I've had would've been about just over a week. The only thing that increased was tolerance which seemed to plateau on about the fourth day. No clairvoyance or astral projection noted.
maybe you'd have a better chance of achieving those things with a one off large dose.
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: Nickoloxious]
#26982531 - 10/12/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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how much did you take during that week? also did you do exercises to develop clairvoyance?
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: Nickoloxious] 1
#26982534 - 10/12/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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-maybe you'd have a better chance of achieving those things with a one off large dose.- that is true but i guess that would not last long. i want to open my psychic abilities on a long term not just 6 hours
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: josbos]
#26982536 - 10/12/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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josbos said: how much did you take during that week? also did you do exercises to develop clairvoyance?
I don't know to be honest, I was eating them fresh while out picking on a daily basis... Probably around the equivalent of about 0.5gr towards the beginning up to the equivalent of around 2gr towards the end, maybe more...
Also no, I don't believe in that kind of stuff.
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: Nickoloxious]
#26982588 - 10/12/20 11:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mushrooms no, Ayahuasca yes, ime. I took Aya daily/near daily for 4 years, DMT has no tolerance, Harmalas have a reverse tolerance, so things just get stronger and more sensitive the more regularly you consume it. Idk about astral projection, but ESP stuff did start happening for me with Aya, like telepathy, precognition, i think clairaudience, some deja vu, and other mystical/magickal/spiritual stuff. Granted, it was moreso rare occurrences, but the potential is no doubt there. The strongest ESP i had, was the precognitive vision about my dad's death 2 weeks before he died back in January of 2014, and the vision came from the same state/space that another precognitive vision i had in a dream years prior (about me being in the hospital back in 2007 and almost died from Salmonella Sepsis) came from, except the vision i had on Aya was way more clear, detailed, emotional, and understandable, though didn't give me a time/date unfortunately but there was no mistaking it was precognition, in the moment and especially so when the event came to pass a couple weeks later down to the details of the hospital room he was in being identical to what i saw in my vision.
I'm not saying that accessing this stuff is easy, it seems to be rare, if it does happen, however, the potential is indeed there imo and if one were to be able to do some sort of practice to enhance that kinda stuff, Aya would be probably the best tool for the job to help you get there, if you first become pretty experienced with Aya and are able to use it as a tool for your own purposes rather than it just taking you along for the ride. At first, you're the passenger, after awhile, you can be the driver and use the Aya as a tool. It takes practice and dedication.
Some people don't believe in ESP, but i know at least some of it is real. Plus, Aya for me anyways has been very sobering, absolutely no delusions, no fog/cloudiness, no mind bending in terms of being confused or unclear or significantly altered, i've always been clearheaded, sober-ish, and "all there" even on my highest Aya dosages, i've never lost contact with myself or my reality, just gone deeper into myself and into reality, expanded, not narrowed or twisted. But that's not the case for everyone from what i've read, but as far as being pretty soberish goes, Aya is definitely the more clearheaded and more sober-like of all the Psychedelics.
If you're serious about this stuff, the best advice i can give is to get the plants, take it, start low on the DMT side and work your way up, experiment around, try different things, listen to the plants, to your body and higher self/soul, be receptive and open minded, but develop and use your discernment. If there's any substance on this planet that is as capable of being an exploratory tool and practice, that can be consumed whenever and can be used for various purposes/reasons, Ayahuasca is no doubt it. Psilohuasca is also worth investigating imo, however, while it takes you to very similar or even the same states/spaces as Aya does, it's still a little different and plus Psilocin builds a tolerance, DMT doesn't. But the Huasca's in general are highly worth investigating. The Harmalas are very important.
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: Nickoloxious]
#26982594 - 10/12/20 11:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Longest streak of mushrooms I did was about a week as well. Just not worth it to keep doing them daily. I suppose you could hone astral travel, but as for clairvoyance, I doubt that is possible. Remote viewing seems more possible, but the jury is still out on that.
I mean, I started with an oz and did 0.5g the first day, and yeah...once gone in a week. Enjoyable week but I didn't notice any new abilities. Astral travel is when you're sleeping and then you are able to go to a distant place. In my opinion if you do that, it's all in your mind, so it's not like you can ask people you visited via astral projection if they felt a presence nearby. Although it is kind of fun to have a lucid dream where our surroundings are the setting.
If I was to do mushrooms for a week again I probably would just work on meditation more intensely than I would normally
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: skOsH]
#26982619 - 10/12/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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skOsH said: but as for clairvoyance, I doubt that is possible.
Oh it's possible, and it happens, in dreams, and on Psychedelics, apparently. Once you experience it, there's no doubt, it's legit. When i had my first precognitive vision, it was in a dream when i was 17, it was strange and real enough i told my mom and her friend about it and had to do with me being in the hospital, 2 months later i almost died from Salmonella Sepsis, and by that time i had completely forgotten about the vision i had about it, and the very same day i was released from the hospital, as soon as i shut the car door, the memory of that vision came flooding right back, in an instant, i was like "holy shit, i saw this, this is what i saw!", but while i took note and thought it was interesting, didn't think really anything about that kinda stuff afterwards, i was just glad to be alive.
Fast forward to January 2014, 2 years into my Aya experimentation, one night i randomly was thinking about how i wanted my dad to try the Aya before he died, i certainly didn't think he was gonna die anytime soon but he was 71 so he was getting old, and bam!, i was hit with a full on vision, felt very similar to the first vision i had years prior, had the same feelings of knowing and precognition to it, it was a vision, no mistaking that, and when i came down i told my mom what i saw, asked her if she thought i should tell my dad, she said i shouldn't, so i didn't. 2 weeks later, he got sick with MRSA Sepsis (which he had a few times before like a decade or so beforehand), my mom took him to the hospital, 2 days later my mom tells me that me and my brother should go up there and see him, and as i entered his room i started freaking out because it was the same damn room, no lie, spent a few hours up there, went back home, later that night got the call, he died. It is what it is. He apparently told my mom he wasn't going to make it out of there, she just thought he was being his usual self because he would occasionally talk about how he didn't have long left because he was getting old, but something told him he wasn't going to make it, and since i had told my mom about the vision, i think that's the reason she told me and my brother to go see him.
Shit happens, it may be rare, but it happens. I just wish i knew how to tap into precognition more fully and more regularly, though i get the feeling if you practice, do some techniques, and really try to tap into that prophetic space, it can happen. The potential and possibility is there, but without some hardcore dedication, it apparently is quite rare, but it happens.
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: Sabnock]
#26982633 - 10/12/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's a researcher named David Luke iirc, who talks about ESP and Parapsychology in relation to Psychedelics, specifically DMT/Ayahuasca. And i think even Stan Grof has said some things about it as well. I think quite a few people in the field have pointed out the connections and rare occurrences of ESP happening in relation to Psychedelics, entities/spirits aside. I find it all, very intriguing and curious.
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: Sabnock] 1
#26982686 - 10/13/20 01:02 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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skOsH said: but as for clairvoyance, I doubt that is possible.
Oh it's possible, and it happens, in dreams, and on Psychedelics, apparently. Once you experience it, there's no doubt, it's legit. When i had my first precognitive vision, it was in a dream when i was 17, it was strange and real enough i told my mom and her friend about it and had to do with me being in the hospital, 2 months later i almost died from Salmonella Sepsis, and by that time i had completely forgotten about the vision i had about it, and the very same day i was released from the hospital, as soon as i shut the car door, the memory of that vision came flooding right back, in an instant, i was like "holy shit, i saw this, this is what i saw!", but while i took note and thought it was interesting, didn't think really anything about that kinda stuff afterwards, i was just glad to be alive.
Fast forward to January 2014, 2 years into my Aya experimentation, one night i randomly was thinking about how i wanted my dad to try the Aya before he died, i certainly didn't think he was gonna die anytime soon but he was 71 so he was getting old, and bam!, i was hit with a full on vision, felt very similar to the first vision i had years prior, had the same feelings of knowing and precognition to it, it was a vision, no mistaking that, and when i came down i told my mom what i saw, asked her if she thought i should tell my dad, she said i shouldn't, so i didn't. 2 weeks later, he got sick with MRSA Sepsis (which he had a few times before like a decade or so beforehand), my mom took him to the hospital, 2 days later my mom tells me that me and my brother should go up there and see him, and as i entered his room i started freaking out because it was the same damn room, no lie, spent a few hours up there, went back home, later that night got the call, he died. It is what it is. He apparently told my mom he wasn't going to make it out of there, she just thought he was being his usual self because he would occasionally talk about how he didn't have long left because he was getting old, but something told him he wasn't going to make it, and since i had told my mom about the vision, i think that's the reason she told me and my brother to go see him.
Shit happens, it may be rare, but it happens. I just wish i knew how to tap into precognition more fully and more regularly, though i get the feeling if you practice, do some techniques, and really try to tap into that prophetic space, it can happen. The potential and possibility is there, but without some hardcore dedication, it apparently is quite rare, but it happens.
Interesting. I guess I have misunderstood the definition of clairvoyance. I have had pre cognitive dreams before...once on 9/10/2001 which was a terrible dream of two pillars being destroyed and then I felt compelled to turn on the news after I woke up.
Being clairvoyant about the health of my parents is something I've always been scared to attempt to see. They are both getting up in age as well. I don't think they would ever try psychedelics, although I feel like at least my mother should. She is stuck on dwelling on the past.
I am not sure if i have experienced it on psychedelics, if I have, I didn't make a note of it. I guess I never focused on that in my experiences.
Losing a family member sucks...I hope you're doing okay.
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: josbos]
#26982701 - 10/13/20 01:35 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd say it's hard to objectively measure an increase in those sensory perceptions without some sort of bias.
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: Sabnock] 1
#26982718 - 10/13/20 02:15 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bro i am sorry for you father...man this stucks:(
i know aya, i got mimosa hostilis, acaxia confusa, cacruna, chaliponga Banisteriopsis caapi, banisteriopsis muricate, peganum harmala
i used to drink it though. i heard from a shaman that when a regular perso drinks aya and he is not in company of a shaman. he can become sick and might permanently damage is system. so i don't want that of course. that's why i switched to mushie. i must say there is very big difference between mushrooms and aya. (i only take mushie together with harmala) aya or analogs tends to make me feel nauseous. also you could really feel that etheric body opens up. trapped energy's coming up to the surface. aya is a definitely a medicine. and should also be treated as such. like is said i dont drink it any more. i dont want to hurt my self.
as for the techniques for the abilities you mentioned. research the subject Magick. Magick is broad. so need to research Magick & scrying, astral senses/psychic senses. balg forum (becomealivinggod) is a excellent website to get knowledge. just go there and type psychic senses exercise. and you can also open a free a count and ask questions. people are really friendly some persons there. soul travel/etheric projection out of there body. out of this 3 dimensional reality. they project straight to the etheric realm. they command spirits to make things happend in the physical.
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: josbos]
#26982804 - 10/13/20 06:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would refer all of that to the Quiet Arts.
telepathy and clairvoyance are normal extensions of intuition or, meta-perception, natural connection with 'vibes' - things that are not ordinarily perceived, but for which we have mental capacity to imagine.
because these use the mind's imagination to resolve, it makes sense to question the true-ness of these quiet gifts, but the value of them is immense - especially when a telepathic call for help is received and can be acted upon, and if the receiver actually uses this quiet gift for good purposes.
much more common are the paranoia fantasies that people's unquiet minds produce.
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: josbos]
#26983426 - 10/13/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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josbos said: i used to drink it though. i heard from a shaman that when a regular perso drinks aya and he is not in company of a shaman. he can become sick and might permanently damage is system.
Yeah that's not true. The only way someone would hurt themselves, is if they don't know what they're doing, or they're not ready to face certain parts of themselves, same as any Psychedelic really. Ayahuasca is strong, powerful and intense, but it's no more damaging than any other Psychedelic, though if you're not careful, Psychedelic use can cause trauma or worsen mental health problems, or bring out certain mental health conditions which one is pre-disposed to.
But like i said, i took Aya (in the form of the analog, Syrian Rue and Mimosa/Acacia) daily/near daily for 4 years, didn't have any issues, my regular Cannabis consumption caused me more issues than the Aya ever did. You don't have anything to worry about. Imo, people, including shamans, just give out these kinds of warnings so that people don't use Aya disrespectfully and cause an issue for the Aya (like negative press or what not), plus people who host ceremonies and retreats and such typically don't want people taking this stuff on their own, they want your money and they want it to seem like you need a middle man or group or authority figure with you when you work with this stuff, but it's not true, at least ime, and many other people also consume it on their own, Aya, analog, pharmahuasca, Psilohuasca, etc.
Yes, Harmalas can make you nauseous and vomit, but it's totally worth it, and there are ways around the nausea/vomiting, like Limonene, or simply consuming the Harmalas regularly enough that the reverse tolerance builds up and the undesirable side-effects go away, which includes the nausea/vomiting. Some people recommend Ginger, or Peppermint, or Zofran, i haven't had good luck with those, only the Limonene has helped, or building up the reverse tolerance. Also certain probiotics seem to help with the nausea/gut discomfort, and maybe even the vomiting.
As far as Psilohuasca goes, it's much better to mix the mushrooms with the Rue, or Caapi, than to mix them with Harmala extract, the full spectrum plants have more benefits and character which adds to the experience compared to the Harmala extract.
There may be some undesirables when it comes to something like Aya/Psilo-huasca, particularly the Harmala side, like the nausea/vomiting, but the benefits/rewards are so worth it, i hate the nausea/vomiting, but i put up with it because i don't mind suffering a little bit for the benefits that come after. Also, with Aya, there's ways to clean up or alter it's effects and the resulting experiences, through the use of admixture plants for example, there's thousands of different plants and plant combinations one can mix with Aya or any Psychedelic really, it's an art/craft and a practice, it's experimental, even the shamans know that, Aya is truly a very versatile medicine.
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: redgreenvines]
#26983431 - 10/13/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: I would refer all of that to the Quiet Arts.
telepathy and clairvoyance are normal extensions of intuition or, meta-perception, natural connection with 'vibes' - things that are not ordinarily perceived, but for which we have mental capacity to imagine.
because these use the mind's imagination to resolve, it makes sense to question the true-ness of these quiet gifts, but the value of them is immense - especially when a telepathic call for help is received and can be acted upon, and if the receiver actually uses this quiet gift for good purposes.
much more common are the paranoia fantasies that people's unquiet minds produce.
Yup, hence the need for discernment and a sound mind.
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: Sabnock]
#26983452 - 10/13/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Although i will say, when you experience something like this, it comes with an inner knowing, a knowing that it's real or truthful, if you have to think or guess, it's likely not the real deal, if it comes with that inner knowing that it's real, it's most likely legit.
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: Sabnock]
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Sabnock said: Also, with Aya, there's ways to clean up or alter it's effects and the resulting experiences, through the use of admixture plants for example, there's thousands of different plants and plant combinations one can mix with Aya or any Psychedelic really, it's an art/craft and a practice, it's experimental, even the shamans know that, Aya is truly a very versatile medicine.
Sabnock:
Could you expand on the comment about “ways to clean up or alter its effects”? Also, why did you get away from the habit of taking ayahuasca daily? Thanks in advance. I must say, your posts are very informative. Keep up the good work.
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: igorcarajo]
#26983835 - 10/13/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sabnock:
Could you expand on the comment about “ways to clean up or alter its effects”? Also, why did you get away from the habit of taking ayahuasca daily? Thanks in advance. I must say, your posts are very informative. Keep up the good work.
Well, Ayahuasca seems to be altered quite easily, the addition of an herb or supplement for example, can either alter/change or enhance certain effects, can add certain benefits, can do away with certain undesirable effects/side-effects, can change the character or nature of the experience, can influence the direction the medicine/experience goes, etc. There's countless different herbs and supplements out there to try adding into the mix, i usually do one admixture at a time, Lemon Balm is my favorite so far that i've tried because it not only cleans up how the Harmalas feel in terms of bodyload and headspace but also smooths out/relaxes the come up of the DMT, i usually use 3 to 4.5 grams of dried Lemon Balm leaf made into a tea and consumed at the same time as the DMT. It's best to try one admixture (whether plant or supplement) at a time in combination with the Harmalas and DMT to get a feel for what that admixture does, and when you find some good admixtures, then you can get into mixing multiple admixtures with the Harmalas and DMT, and see how that goes.
Using admixtures, you can have a lot of influence over what kind of medicine you're working with, and what you want to use it for, rather than sticking with the basic Ayahuasca. The same thing can also be applied to mushrooms, or 4-ACO-DMT, maybe Mescaline/Cacti, other Psychedelics, maybe LSD, but so far i've only tried it with Aya and Psilo-huasca. People would be surprised at all the different forms and variations of a Psychedelic they could have by mixing things with it. Most people just take mushrooms, or just take 4-ACO, or just take LSD, etc, but Ayahuasca really is a kind of art in that it shows you the potential of herbal combinations. But, it can be time consuming and requires dedication and experimentation, and a kind of scientific approach to figure out what does what and what all you can do with it. The shamans do it, or did do it, but most people wouldn't really know or care about that kinda thing.
And it's funny because a lot of people who follow the traditional Aya approach would dismiss or even demonize people mixing things with Aya "because it's sacred" and "because we should do it the way the shamans do it", yet even the shamans themselves mix things together all the time and have throughout time, hence how they figured out the combination of Harmalas and DMT in the first place. Some shamans included Brugmansia/Datura with their Aya, or Mapacho Tobacco with their Aya, some use Tobacco mixed in the brew, some smoke it, some people use Cannabis with their Aya (i did) whereas some frown upon that combination and thinks it interferes with something (which it doesn't, ime), there's various things one can mix with something like Aya, but one needs to do their research on the admixtures and make sure they won't interfere in some undesirable or negative way with the Aya, and be mindful of the drug to drug interactions with the Aya. Some things though can be safely mixed with Aya even though they are supposedly contraindicated, like Mucuna/L-Dopa for example, which ime is fine 2 hours before or 2 hours after Aya, but if taken at the same time as Aya the L-Dopa content can be potentiated and may cause an increase in heart rate if too much L-Dopa is consumed.
Overall, be safe, be wise and mature and intelligent, do your research, start out with things that are safe, and just see what they do with the Aya, keep an eye out for any undesirable reactions or side-effects, you will come across some things that do good and some things that may not do good with Aya, but experimentation is the name of the game and is something that people can do if they feel they want to but like i said it can be time consuming and some things are not without risk, so be sure of what you're mixing together.
The same idea is applied to medications for example, doctors will often give you a few medications to take rather than just one, because things do often times work better in synergy, but it just depends on the medications, some mixtures are fine, some are not fine. Likewise, the same applies to polydrug use, when people mix different Psychedelics together.
It's not a harmful or risky thing to do, but the potential is there if you don't know what you're doing and mix the wrong things together. So my suggestion would be to find some benign herbs that are safe, have been studied, and are commonly used, look up their properties to make sure they don't have any risks if combined with MAO-A inhibition, and give it a go and see what it does. Like i said, some things will do just fine, some things may not, and it's unlikely you will run into serious problems if you go about things wisely.
I do recommend this kind of experimentation, because i think a lot of good can come from it, but not everyone has the skill, i think, to go about doing this, it just depends if it's something they feel like they want to do, otherwise, stick to the basic brew or to admixtures that people have already figured out.
In short, you can have many different kinds of Aya, from the Harmala and DMT-containing plants you choose to use, to all the various admixture plants and supplements and combinations there is to choose from. It truly is the most versatile and variable/malleable medicine on this planet, imo, and there's so much we can learn from it and do with it. You can even custom tailor Aya to your personal body chemistry, or customize it for someone else who may not necessarily like it in it's basic form but is more tolerable for them with the right things mixed in with it.
As for why i stopped taking Aya, i just felt like i needed to put more focus into my day to day and integration and doing things that i need to do but was putting off/being lazy about, and after awhile of being away from it, i just became more comfortable in my day to day so now i prefer to just be in the day to day and haven't really felt like diving back in, even though i probably should from time to time. This stuff is indeed self-regulating, even though there's no tolerance and one can consume as much of it whenever they want, and they can take it regularly for a long time, eventually they'll feel they should back off, which isn't a bad thing, but there's definitely imo no wrong from using something like Aya regularly, if it's not intruding negatively on one's life.
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: Sabnock] 1
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Thank you for the very thorough response!
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Re: Question about mushrooms, clairvoyance and astral travel [Re: igorcarajo]
#26984292 - 10/13/20 11:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't do what you explained. Unless you are micro dosing, don't do psychedelics every day.
Anyway, earlier in the year, I had a 2g lemon tek trip where I experienced clairvoyancy and astral projection. Or at least what I felt to be.
During the trip, as I came up, I could feel the entire bountiful essence and spirit of the entire planet of mother Gaia holding me up very gently as if on soft stilts as I laid on my bed. This essence and spirit of the ENTIRETY of the planet was lifting me and guiding me up into the heavens. I felt like I was transcending. Transcending everything and all. By the peak, I had completely transcended this reality, I had transcended everything and all. I was everything. All connected.
What you need is a moderate to high dose to get you into the psychedelic godhead.
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