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Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE
    #26982216 - 10/12/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Only shoeboxes I can find right now are the ones with the plain grey snap on lids, I used to be able to get the shoeboxes with the latches, which would provide FAE. With the regular shoebox ones with the snap on grey lids, how do you provide gas exchange and FAE? Do you just put the lid on but don't snap it on? So the lid is just sitting loose on top? Do you just let the mushrooms push the lid off?


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26982226 - 10/12/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

put them in a monotub to colonize.



pop the lids off and fruit them in a monotub.



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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: Munchauzen]
    #26982246 - 10/12/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm trying to do the unmodified route... Do I have to modify the monotub in anyway? And what is the reasoning for doing it like this than any other shoebox?


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: Munchauzen]
    #26982249 - 10/12/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You can do what Munchauzen said if you have monotubs sitting around...

Otherwise just resting the lid on top without latching it should provide enough gas exchange. An alternative option is just putting a bag over top the shoebox and punching some holes in it.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26982258 - 10/12/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I don't use unmodified tubs so can't help ya there.

the benefit to this method is they are set and forget and you don't have to mist them. letting them sit out they tend to dry out.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26982266 - 10/12/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I use the 1642 with a white lid, but I've seen them with silver lids too. They're not airtight even with it snapped on, which is how they stay until the pins get too big, then they get dub tubbed. May not be the absolutely "best" way, but it's hard to argue with the results.



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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: Sir Pentinite]
    #26982944 - 10/13/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You could also just flip the lid over.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: Canebrake]
    #26982962 - 10/13/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

As long as the lid doesn’t have some sort of rubber gasket it’ll be fine. I’ve got a couple types of shoeboxes with a mix of white and grey lids that all work the same.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: A.k.a]
    #26983316 - 10/13/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

How do you do yours? Do you snap the lid on and leave it until the they’re pushing the top and then loosen it? Or do you just turn it upside from the very beginning at spawning?

I’m trying to get an idea of how to do it with these basic kind of shoeboxes because that’s all that is around right now. I always would use one with latches that I could prop open if needed, etc.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26983378 - 10/13/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Just snap it on and see how it goes. It should be plenty of air. Then if it seems to be holding moisture ok try flipping it once there’s pins.

When I first started I tried all kinds of stuff to see what happened and how far I could push it.  A few of the first ones came out a little off but I learned a lot quick.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: A.k.a]
    #26983576 - 10/13/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I use the 6qt shoeboxes mine have white lids but I just keep them snapped down until I need to dub tub them. I still open them every day from spawn to fruiting to check surface conditions. Seems to work fine


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: CrashTest]
    #26983596 - 10/13/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I warned you guys that they changed the shoeboxes. Now they suck..


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: CrashTest]
    #26983619 - 10/13/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I hate dub tubbing, not going to be doing that.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: psycho_nauticus] * 1
    #26983648 - 10/13/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Binder clips makes it ez


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: Shenmue]
    #26983749 - 10/13/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I warned you guys that they changed the shoeboxes. Now they suck..





I’ve noticed in older pictures they seem to have much flatter rims that dubbed way easier. is that what’s changed?


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: A.k.a]
    #26983863 - 10/13/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Nice growth! You can do what Munchauzen said if you have monotubs sitting around.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: Shenmue]
    #26983988 - 10/13/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I warned you guys that they changed the shoeboxes. Now they suck..




Which ones are you talking about?


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: Sir Pentinite]
    #26984203 - 10/13/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm using the new silver lid ones just fine. I do have them in a tote but just for storage purposes. Colonizing quite quickly currently.

Will pop the lid just like an unmodified mono when it's time for fruiting.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: karri0n]
    #26984518 - 10/14/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

So you fruit them in a monotub also? There’s no way just to fruit these type of shoeboxes themselves in an unmodified way by having a small gap for FAE?


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26984593 - 10/14/20 07:07 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

They’re fine by themselves but if you notice a problem with them drying out you can put them in monos is what it boils down to.

The only thing important about the lid is if it’s sealed air tight or not. I’ve fruited shoeboxes and other random junk with plastic sheets, Saran Wrap and foil as a lid. As long as there’s fae but not enough to dry it out the other details are irrelevant.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: A.k.a]
    #26984622 - 10/14/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

These are the ones I got and they seem like they're performing as intended. I'm just keeping am eye on them for now and if it looks like they're gonna dry out too soon, I'll put em in a mono RH in my house has been 50%-70% and there's always lots of condensation on the walls of the tubs. The edges are flat and they seem like they'd dub well using binder clips if needed.



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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: Sir Pentinite]
    #26984975 - 10/14/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Those are these:

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I use the 1642 with a white lid, but I've seen them with silver lids too.




Only differences I can see are the label style and lid color.

The other shoe box is p/n 1851. Those have the rounded top edge that is a lot harder to dub. The whole tub profile is more rounded too. They seem to be older or discontinued as they are not listed on the website anymore and I haven't seen any in stores since probably last year edit: today. Not that I'd want any...


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: A.k.a]
    #26985000 - 10/14/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I don’t want to be drilling any holes in any monos or complicate things more by adding things. How do you fruit these by themselves? Do you just leave the lid snapped on the entire time? And then when knots start to form loosen the lid or turn it upside down? Or still leave it snapped all the way through pinning and then when pins start to form then flip the lid?


:facepalm:  Latched shoeboxes were so much more convenient and simple.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26985012 - 10/14/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I don’t want to be drilling any holes in any monos or complicate things more by adding things. How do you fruit these by themselves? Do you just leave the lid snapped on the entire time? And then when knots start to form loosen the lid or turn it upside down? Or still leave it snapped all the way through pinning and then when pins start to form then flip the lid?


:facepalm:  Latched shoeboxes were so much more convenient and simple.




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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26985032 - 10/14/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I really don't think you'll have much of an issue with drying out if you fruit with the lid snapped on or not. But that's just me.

I've done this countless times with no issues. If you do have an issue, just unsnap the lid for more FAE, or snap it for more moisture.

I tend to keep the lid snapped on and if I see my mushrooms growing long and thin or getting fuzzy feet I unsnap it and it solves the problem. It will be different for you depending on your climate, but you can switch between the two to adjust as needed.

I think either way you will get decent shrooms as a snapped lid doesn't cut enough FAE to destroy your grow. The first flush just might be a bit thin is all but you can adjust accordingly from there.

Putting them in a mono works great if you have spare monos sitting around, but then why not just fruit the mono and shoeboxes separately on their own? :shrug: It certainly works, but isn't necessary if you ask me.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: Rhizomorph]
    #26985059 - 10/14/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

So I keep the lid snapped on all through colonization and fruiting until the mushrooms are hitting the top? Only when the mushrooms are hitting the lid do I then unsnap it?

Keeping the lid snapped on the whole time through the process still provides adequate FAE?


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26985083 - 10/14/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

In my experience yes.

It depends somewhat on the air current in your room though - if you need to unsnap it for an FAE boost you can do so. I'd start with that assumption and if they grow long & skinny/with fuzzy feet, switch to unsnapping the lid when the pinset forms.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: Rhizomorph] * 1
    #26985265 - 10/14/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Come on man you know this stuff. You already did it once!

Just do what you did with the aa+.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26985282 - 10/14/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Just imagine the snap-down at the end of either side of the new one to be the same as latching/unlatching.

You're worrying way too much. They just want to grow.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: A.k.a]
    #26985335 - 10/14/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Come on man you know this stuff. You already did it once!

Just do what you did with the aa+.




I've been patiently waiting for you to chime in on this. You're the shoebox guy.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26985338 - 10/14/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm following this TEK for my shoeboxes:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26009662

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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: goatchild]
    #26985361 - 10/14/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

lol we’ve been through this before he just has a habit of obsessing over the details. The first aa+ grow he ran was great they were some of the biggest shoebox shrooms I’ve seen.

Psycho just for fun you should make a shoebox up, snap the lid and literally not touch it for two weeks. Just fully detach yourself from the outcome. I think it’ll help you a lot to see what happens.


Keep reminding yourself these aren’t delicate life forms. There’s been a couple times now where I went to use an old tub and found mushrooms growing from a marble sized piece of sub that stuck to the side from the last grow, or I got a few seeds under the liner while mixing and found them fruiting when I took the sub out to harvest.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: A.k.a]
    #26985371 - 10/14/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Cubes really are the weeds of the active mushroom world.





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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: Munchauzen]
    #26985384 - 10/14/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

That plate looks gnarly. I put a bunch of plates in the back of the fridge about 3 weeks ago. Decided to check on em today and they're all frozen. :smbfacepalm:

I pulled one out and put it on a shelf. We'll see if it decides to grow out some more or if they're all dead.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: A.k.a]
    #26985396 - 10/14/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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That plate looks gnarly. I put a bunch of plates in the back of the fridge about 3 weeks ago. Decided to check on em today and they're all frozen. :smbfacepalm:

I pulled one out and out it on a shelf. We'll see if it decides to grow out some more or if they're all dead.





I had this exact thing happen to me about a month ago. In my case, it all died except in the very center, and it just grew out from there.  The only problem was there was so much water, I guess the freeze pulled all the moisture from the agar. It was like a thin agar puck floating over water. It made it more difficult to get a transfer out, but I got it done and saved (almost) all the cultures. I only lost my natalensis cultures, RIP.

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Psycho just for fun you should make a shoebox up, snap the lid and literally not touch it for two weeks. Just fully detach yourself from the outcome. I think it’ll help you a lot to see what happens.





Yes, do this. This is basically how I do all my shoeboxes, and I have been doing a ton as of late.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: A.k.a]
    #26985766 - 10/14/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I know man, I'm sorry I can't help it, it's because I was using the latch ones before so I could provide FAE, don't know the details to working with this kind of box, but you're right... I'm obsessing over stupid details!

This is my third attempt at RW, took a T2 agar cut to grain, but I don't know if it's me or it just colonizes slow as shit?!?!  I'm worried I may of fucked it up by shaking it too early or something, but it was a clean culture, it's real dense and thick but seems to be slow moving.

I had a PESA MS syringe that I was just messing around with and knocked up a few jars... I think I may of gotten lucky with this one, it looks pretty nice and clean, good culture. That's coming up and due for a shake tomorrow and seems to be powering over RW...?

Then I decided shit I should get some more shoeboxes, and go to the stores to find out shoeboxes are almost all gone around here, entire fucking storage is gone! Just like there's a shortage on mason jars and are all gone!!! Anyway, I always got the latch ones, but I ended up with the silver topped plain ones, same exact thing as the white lids.


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    #26985900 - 10/14/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I know man, I'm sorry I can't help it, it's because I was using the latch ones before so I could provide FAE, don't know the details to working with this kind of box, but you're right... I'm obsessing over stupid details!

This is my third attempt at RW, took a T2 agar cut to grain, but I don't know if it's me or it just colonizes slow as shit?!?!  I'm worried I may of fucked it up by shaking it too early or something, but it was a clean culture, it's real dense and thick but seems to be slow moving.

I had a PESA MS syringe that I was just messing around with and knocked up a few jars... I think I may of gotten lucky with this one, it looks pretty nice and clean, good culture. That's coming up and due for a shake tomorrow and seems to be powering over RW...?

Then I decided shit I should get some more shoeboxes, and go to the stores to find out shoeboxes are almost all gone around here, entire fucking storage is gone! Just like there's a shortage on mason jars and are all gone!!! Anyway, I always got the latch ones, but I ended up with the silver topped plain ones, same exact thing as the white lids.




Both styles work similarly. The lack of a good seal (even on the latch lids) holds condensation/humidity and allows FAE. You'll have to judge the surface conditions and determine whether it's getting too much FAE requiring a misting here and there or not enough FAE. If it's not enough, unsnap the lid. If its still not enough, turn the lid upside down. Still not enough? Slide the lid over just a hair and allow a larger gap.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #26987222 - 10/15/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

If it's too much FAE then unsnap the lid? Or did you mean something else...? Not sure I follow in your response or I'm getting confused.


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Re: Sterilite shoebox with snap on grey lid/FAE [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26987282 - 10/15/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

No, sorry about that. I was in bed, falling asleep when I wrote that. I meant to say not enough FAE. I edited the post. My apologies.


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