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Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views?
#26981364 - 10/12/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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So Im in a bit of a tough place right now....
So about a month ago, I met this lady on an phone App. From the start, she showed an interest in me which is really unusual. She actually calls me on various apps wanting to talk to me (something I dont see at all in my experience). We have been chatting/voice chatting pretty regularly since the beginning but she lives in another state close by so we have never met in person. We have great chemistry for our friendship, we have similar interests like video games, TV shows, similar food tastes, even Rap music.
However, theres one big issue....
A couple days ago, she randomly (shes pretty random) posted an article on my private Discord PMs about political stuff. It was an article showing how Kamala Harris said a historic fact that wasnt true (a historical lie). Then she revealed shortly after that she was a Republican and a Trump supporter. As many of you know, I hate Trump and everything about him, so this information was a total shock for me. Shes pretty adamant about politics, which is a big issue since we are politically-compatible.
Now Im contemplating if I should just end the relationship. I dont have the heart to completely ghost her because I think ghosting is a terrible, disgusting thing to do to someone, especially with all the time we have spent talking to each other online/phone apps.
Its been a tough year and I feel like this is more of that unexpected, unpleasant news that I dont need or want....
Have you ever been in a position where you had to decide to end a relationship because of differing political views? How did you end the relationship? Were you just upfront or did you take the easy "ghosting" method? Did you have any regrets about your decision to end the relationship?
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
#26981382 - 10/12/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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People do it all the time, I don't think you should necessarily view it as a deal breaker. Maybe you can just agree to disagree. At the very least, you should meet her in person and spend some time with her in person before you make any decisions. But there are plenty of people in long term relationships with others who have political views they disagree with.
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: nooneman]
#26981405 - 10/12/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Depends if you can each accept each other's viewpoints and are open for a conversation.
You don't have to, and won't agree on everything. That is the nature of human interaction. But if you can mutually come to respect one another irregardless of those opposing viewpoints, then I'd stay stick with it.
However if her political views are a deal-breaker for you, or if she is aggressive with her beliefs, I'd say end it.
Personally, I've never had to worry about politics because I'm a "centrist" to some degree and see both sides. But I've had one instance where someone was very radical in her political views and I realized a relationship would not work, so I made sure not to pursue it.
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26981410 - 10/12/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The best thing to do in a relationship that you value is to be honest.. ghosting never works and has only ever hurt feelings in my opinion. It's the easy way out because rather than listen to their feelings we choose not to. I know you got a big heart and wouldn't want to hurt someone who you like.
Politics are tough man....me and my girlfriend are both very socially liberal and politically (her moreso than I, she is more tuned in with politics). We both can't stand the prez but even with those common grounds we still have very different opinions on approaches towards issues and can get in pretty heated discussions around it all.
What I would do is have a conversation with your lady friend and be honest about how it makes you uncomfortable that she is a trump supporter and see what she says. I would just tell her you want to try and continue getting to know her even with this but you find yourself a bit hung up on this. If she has a heart she will understand
Things are crazy right now man.. people who didnt follow politics at all 4 years ago are now willing to die over it. A lot of it is fueled by fear and the words of those we are supposed to trust. It makes it easier to keep an open mind and heart with trump supporters when I approach them as people who have lost their way a bit because of all the noise and madness.
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: Psicomb]
#26983537 - 10/13/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the thoughts guys.
Ive decided to end the relationship. I cant be friends with a Trump supporter, I cant live with such a thought on my mind.
I havent decided on when yet, probably soon thou...
How should I phrase my message to make it sound like a "nice" goodbye?
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26983569 - 10/13/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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You won't regret it when you find someone who you can jive with even more than her
Again, I would simply be honest as best you can without coming off as "better than", which politics so often turns into. I know whatever you say it will be from a thoughtful place, though, because your Logical Chaos and you keep it real like that relationships/friendships are a trip man..
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: Psicomb] 1
#26983617 - 10/13/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why would it matter if she wants trump over biden? It's politics not religion lol! Most people I know rarely even talk about politics. Dude if you break up with a girl just because she likes trump over biden you have serous issues.
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: Shenmue] 1
#26983620 - 10/13/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hell all of my friends and family have different political and religious views. It's fun to debate about it and at the end of the day none of it matters because they're my friends and family. You're not supposed to dislike people over their beliefs. Chances are your political views will be completely different 10 year's from now.
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: Shenmue]
#26984071 - 10/13/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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He can dislike her for any reason the way I see it. Shit, he could dislike her because she has a mole on her neck. People have different values.
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: Shenmue] 4
#26984214 - 10/13/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: Dude if you break up with a girl just because she likes trump over biden you have serous issues.
You only say that because you like Trump over Biden. Please stop projecting your issues in S&R.
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 3
#26984288 - 10/13/20 11:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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My advice here:
Tell her about where you align politically, and tell her that you feel concerned about whether this difference in worldview is going to cause issues between the two of you. See how she responds. That conversation should give you a lot more information to work with.
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
#26984767 - 10/14/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nonagon Infinity said: My advice here:
Tell her about where you align politically, and tell her that you feel concerned about whether this difference in worldview is going to cause issues between the two of you. See how she responds. That conversation should give you a lot more information to work with.

This seems like a good way to go about it. Honesty and the opportunity to see if a conversation about it could bring the two of you to a mutual understanding.
I don't know her but I know a lot of people that say they support one candidate over the other simply because they are against the other and not because they particularly like the candidate they purport to "support". So it could be that sort of situation.
Either way, it'll probably be a better feeling emotionally to discuss it and go your separate ways, should that be the conclusion, rather than just tell her "bye".
Either way, good luck
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: Socrateshroom] 5
#26990337 - 10/17/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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So yeah, a couple days ago, I told her I wanted to end the relationship because of her support of Trump. She was not very happy about it saying "Thats so childish!" and "Why does that shit even matter?", similar to what Shenmue mentioned above.
I tried to explain to her that I could not accept her wanting to support Trump but she didnt understand it at all. And that was the end of it 
Im not happy that I had to end it, cause she was a cool friend who I was totally vibing with, but her talk of politics and her support of Trump was a complete turn-off and I just couldnt bare the fact of being friends with such a person. I know, pretty cold. I just couldnt accept someone like that....I had to be true to myself and my own values
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26999968 - 10/23/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thats a very unshroomy thing to do...
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: tomnl]
#27000368 - 10/23/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Indeed it was. Probably the most unshroomy thing Ive done in my life, but I had to do it. I feel too strongly about it.
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#27000488 - 10/23/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fair play for sticking to your principals LC. We can't do the right thing by everybody all the time.
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#27000811 - 10/24/20 05:00 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Being a trump supporter wouldnโt be an automatic deal breaker, but I doubt I would even be attracted to the kind of personality necessary to be MAGA.
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#27000912 - 10/24/20 07:57 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: So yeah, a couple days ago, I told her I wanted to end the relationship because of her support of Trump. She was not very happy about it saying "Thats so childish!" and "Why does that shit even matter?", similar to what Shenmue mentioned above.
I tried to explain to her that I could not accept her wanting to support Trump but she didnt understand it at all. And that was the end of it 
Im not happy that I had to end it, cause she was a cool friend who I was totally vibing with, but her talk of politics and her support of Trump was a complete turn-off and I just couldnt bare the fact of being friends with such a person. I know, pretty cold. I just couldnt accept someone like that....I had to be true to myself and my own values 
Iโm gay and the thought of dating a gay MAGA is not even within the realm of possibilities. Iโve cut ties with most of my family because of Trump. How could they vote for a man that has openly stated he would appoint judges to overturn marriage equality? They voted to take away my rights. WTF? The idea that Trump will protect "traditional marriage" is laughable; the guy has cheated on everyone of his wives.
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/third-trump-s-court-nominees-have-anti-lgbtq-history-report-n1106691
Itโs sad to see our country being torn apart like this but to me itโs a matter of principles and character. I think you saved yourself a lot of grief by not pursuing this relationship.
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#27001051 - 10/24/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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In the words of my friend who dated the craziest girl I've ever known.
"Dick don't care"
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#27001080 - 10/24/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: Shenmue] 1
#27001116 - 10/24/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: Why would it matter if she wants trump over biden? It's politics not religion lol! Most people I know rarely even talk about politics. Dude if you break up with a girl just because she likes trump over biden you have serous issues.
Itโs not that she has a preference for a different candidate. Itโs that the kind of person who still supports Trump is not a good human being. There is something wrong with these people that goes far beyond politics. MAGA is a cult and their values are trumps values and that man has no values.
To be fair, I probably wouldnt date LC because heโs so into UFOs and numerology and LC is probably the best boyfriend you could get.
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: koods]
#27001179 - 10/24/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dont know anyone in my group of friends or family that would make such a decision over a political view. Not a single one. Im so glad i dont! Its really sad to see though... I dont wanna judge about it, but i cant help but do.
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: tomnl] 1
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Itโs not a political viewpoint. Itโs the lack of judgement and/or moral degeneracy a person demonstrates by continuing to support this objectively dishonest, ammoral, incompetent and unfit president. Donald Trump has no business running this country. Heโs not qualified for the job and heโs a sociopath. If youโre voting for trump youโre a loser and unpatriotic
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: tomnl]
#27001222 - 10/24/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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tomnl said: I dont know anyone in my group of friends or family that would make such a decision over a political view. Not a single one. Im so glad i dont!
You don't live in the US do you?
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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tomnl said: I dont know anyone in my group of friends or family that would make such a decision over a political view. Not a single one. Im so glad i dont!
You don't live in the US do you?
Nope, good ol Europe
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#27001264 - 10/24/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: heโs a sociopath.
Thats the requirement to be any president isnt it?
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: koods]
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koods said: Itโs not a political viewpoint. Itโs the lack of judgement and/or moral degeneracy a person demonstrates by continuing to support this objectively dishonest, ammoral, incompetent and unfit president. Donald Trump has no business running this country. Heโs not qualified for the job and heโs a sociopath. If youโre voting for trump youโre a loser and unpatriotic
Those are my thoughts as well. Like, she still supports him after everythings that happened? She must be brain-washed by the Trump cult, thats my conclusion.
And yes, the UFO and Numerology studies are strong with me. I only briefly talked about Aliens with her (she was kinda openminded about it) but no Numerology talk.
Recently, Ive been seeing some ladies profiles supporting Cops. Similar feelings as with Trump supporters, its basically a deal-breaker for me. I hate Cops and I do not support them or the people who support them (even thou Cops are sorta "necessary" in high-crime areas).
The whole experience reminded me of my ex-GF who hated Trump like I did, so that was easy to agree on between the two of us, but yet she was not respectful to me, so I had to end that relationship....
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: koods]
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koods said: Being a trump supporter wouldnโt be an automatic deal breaker, but I doubt I would even be attracted to the kind of personality necessary to be MAGA.
Do you want her?



that pretty much answers your question
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: koods]
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Shenmue said: Why would it matter if she wants trump over biden? It's politics not religion lol! Most people I know rarely even talk about politics. Dude if you break up with a girl just because she likes trump over biden you have serous issues.
Itโs not that she has a preference for a different candidate. Itโs that the kind of person who still supports Trump is not a good human being. There is something wrong with these people that goes far beyond politics. MAGA is a cult and their values are trumps values and that man has no values.
To be fair, I probably wouldnt date LC because heโs so into UFOs and numerology and LC is probably the best boyfriend you could get.
You do what is right for you. What is right for Koods.
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: imachavel]
#27024594 - 11/06/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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imachavel said: Do you want her?
Jesus you just can't leave her alone can you?
Sounds like you have an obsession.
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My brother actually has ended a relationship for more or less this reason. They met in high school and were together 5 years. He's politically something like a Shoe0nHead, certainly not right-wing but definitely not SJW type. His girlfriend went full-force into the SJW culture (this was during peak Tumblr times). She became so aggressive and obnoxious about everything that he fell out of love with her and started to hate being around her. He ended up just not sleeping with her or being emotionally close to her for months and she eventually left.
I think it really boils down to the why. I did have a close friend who I had a crush on for years who was/is a Trump-supporter. Her brother is a Navy Seal and after Clinton's handling of the embassy attack in Libya, coupled with Trump's isolationist policies, she supports Trump. She's not loud about it and I can't fault her for it. Now, the loud people waving Trump flags, screaming to drain the swamp, calling everything "fake news", following Q and basically acting like arrogant cult members, I couldn't even be real friends with one of them. They are not people who can be reasoned with. They use emotionally reasoning for everything. I believe that they have that predatory thinking (many on the left do too). They think: If team A is in power, whatever abusive and oppressive things that team A does are okay because if team B got in power, they would do the same.
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: Darwin23]
#27034384 - 11/12/20 12:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't have anything additional to add to the subject matter at hand (I've already shared my feelings on this), however I do want to bring up, Darwin23, that as your brother said that he 'fell out of love' with a person, that I do not believe that he was ever actually in love with this person in the first place. It sounds like a relationship that was based on hormones and chemicals rather than any type of true or deep love.
I bring this up only because it is somewhat a difficulty of mine to hear people say that they 'fell out of love'.
Perhaps this could be considered me derailing the thread but personally I think it's a very pertinent question. If you can fall out of Love with a person, were you ever truly love with them?
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#27034408 - 11/12/20 01:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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That question is a big one to ponder. I suppose it depends on how we define "love".
If we fall in love with who someone is, if that person changes, should that love be required to remain?
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#27034416 - 11/12/20 01:21 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I believe u can "fall out of Love" with someone over time. Its like learning more and more about your former love interest that you dont like. At first, its not a big deal but perhaps over time, the person who you loved starts to do such behaviours that you can no longer stand. Like a person who's into politics that gets more and more extreme about it. At a certain point, can you still love them for who they have become?
There were times were I felt some "love" for this Trump supporter lady I discussed in the OP. They were short-lived but there was some slight love feelings there. Then I heard her be outspoken about her support for Trump and bashing Democrats and I knew that we couldnt be friends no more....
Also, thanks for sharing that story Darwin23. I can definitely relate to that story. I
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#27040766 - 11/15/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Darwin23 said: If we fall in love with who someone is, if that person changes, should that love be required to remain?
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LogicaL Chaos said: At a certain point, can you still love them for who they have become?
See IMO - and I know it may seem a little arrogant of me to say this, but I feel very strongly about it - I feel that both these statements belie a misunderstanding of what love actually is.
Understandably so; nobody ever teaches us what love is, and the version we get sold through the multiplicity of sources that feed into us from the moment we can ingest it, is often a corrupted, marketable, and mistaken idea of what love is too.
Love, by its very nature, is unconditional. If it aint so, then it just aint love. It's admiration, and lust, and desire, and respect, and wanting, and all number of other feelings that are closely tied to and experienced at the same time as love, but not love itself.
I think all those things can quite easily disappear when someone changes, but not love. Love is the bit that remains behind; because once you do truly feel it, it doesn't go away.
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Gregory David Roberts said: You can't kill love. You can't even kill it with hate. You can kill in-love, and loving, and even loveliness. You can kill them all, or numb them into dense, laden regret, but you can't kill love itself. Love is the passionate search for a truth other than your own; and once you feel it, honestly and completely, love is forever.
Whatcha reckon?
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#27053563 - 11/23/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just watched an 8 year marriage fall apart because of it.
She was from a rich yuppy evangelical family very liberal pro BLM, husband is conservative beef farmer whose family has had to work for every penny.
She has had every car bought for her, where he has had to fix every car of his.
Why does this matter?
Because politics was the breaking point.
Now she is moved back home across the country with their three kids while her mom and dad pay for everything and do everything now and HE is paying support because HE simply had a different political outlook.
He is now selling their house and farm and moving himself to PA to try and save his family but she is sooooooooo far up BLM butt I donโt think itโs happening.
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: Jewstress]
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#27123131 - 01/03/21 02:40 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: It sounds like a relationship that was based on hormones and chemicals rather than any type of true or deep love.
What is love (baby, don't hurt me)? I don't want to commit myself to the belief that love is nothing but a bunch of chemicals and hormones, but I find it extremely challenging to come up with some other definition. It's something humans seem to care about an awful lot, but it also seems like we don't even know what it is. Our best definitions of love are all negative ones: love isn't sex, love isn't lust, love isn't jealousy, love isn't conditional, etc.
I'll admit that I also share your conviction that love isn't just a bunch of hormones and chemicals, but I'm left with the haunting feeling that such a conviction only pushes love further away from our everyday experiences and into the abstract.
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Re: Is a Relationship Destined to fail for people with Opposing Political Views? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
#27125778 - 01/04/21 10:30 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Nonagon Infinity said: I'll admit that I also share your conviction that love isn't just a bunch of hormones and chemicals, but I'm left with the haunting feeling that such a conviction only pushes love further away from our everyday experiences and into the abstract.
For me, it brings about the opposite; the realization that love is frequent and abundant. It's always with us, when we know it truly. I'm reminded by this realization not to confuse love with chemical drives, however.
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