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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Stable Genius]
#26980593 - 10/11/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stable Genius said: 1 problem with that argument gas demand in the EU is projected to be flat for the foreseeable future as Russia has that market stitched up and the Saudi's aren't interested in any pipelines from Qatar... which is probably why they're now the world's largest exporter of LNG. from Wiki
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Since 1997, Qatar has been exporting LNG from the North Field. In 2006, Qatar surpassed Indonesia as the world's largest LNG exporter. Based on the massive gas resources of the field, Qatar is developing the world biggest LNG export facilities in order to reach the capacity of 77 million metric ton per year by 2012.
I guess I'm a little confused. The argument that Qatar is is the world's largest LNG exporter implies a gas pipeline might be desired in the near future. 
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Stable Genius said: And no I hadn't forgotten ok I had but with Exon Mobil ultimately owning those Syrian fields I thought the consensus was that Trump bailed out and was happy for Russia and Turkey and Syria to fight over what was left as long as the U.S. kept their oil safe.
Is Russia fighting Syria for Syrian oil? I hadn't heard that before.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26980606 - 10/11/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Spend billions on a pipeline through a war zone to a market that doesn't need the gas OR ship it to a growing Asian market with ease. What bit are you finding confusing?
No Russian is not fighting Syria for oil.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Stable Genius]
#26980617 - 10/11/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stable Genius said: Spend billions on a pipeline through a war zone to a market that doesn't need the gas OR ship it to a growing Asian market with ease. What bit are you finding confusing?
It might not be a war zone if the US was successful in taking control of Syria.
And Shell says the EU demand for LNG will grow 25% over the next 20 years.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26980631 - 10/11/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shell also said that Middle East Gas exports will rise by 66%.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#26980636 - 10/11/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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So they'll need a new pipeline?
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26980638 - 10/11/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol strangely enough they've invested in ships
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Stable Genius]
#26980693 - 10/11/20 10:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think Trump was talking about the pipeline anyway in the video above (and here):
Here's a related article:
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Hundreds of American soldiers are remaining in Syria to occupy its oil reserves and block the Syrian government from revenue needed for reconstruction. Trump said openly, “We want to keep the oil.”
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26980745 - 10/11/20 11:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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No I agree he was talking about Exon Mobils assets, the U.S. aren't total thieves.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Stable Genius]
#26980761 - 10/12/20 12:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stable Genius said: No I agree he was talking about Exon Mobils assets, the U.S. aren't total thieves.
Does Exxon Mobile have assets in Syria?
Trump suggestion of taking Syrian oil draws rebukes
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“What I intend to do, perhaps, is make a deal with an ExxonMobil or one of our great companies to go in there and do it properly ... and spread out the wealth,” Trump said...
“It is not only a dubious legal move, it sends a message to the whole region and the world that America wants to steal the oil,” said Bruce Riedel, a former national security advisor and now senior fellow at the Brookings Institution think-tank.

Syria is one of a few countries US businesses aren't generally allowed to do business in (the others being North Korea, Cuba, Iran, Sudan, and recently (2019) Venezuela).
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26980791 - 10/12/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I got that wrong. I had it in my head that the Syrian Petroleum Company was part owned by Exon Mobil.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26981139 - 10/12/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I don't see your point at all. Yes, the guy is describing how the story seems to unfolding. But HE'S the one manipulating YOU by throwing in deceptive wording.
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shivas.wisdom said: The disinformation campaign relied on two manoeuvres. The first was a counter-argument in the form of a question: what advantage could the Assad regime conceivably hope to gain by using chemical weapons when its forces were on the brink of defeating JAI and bringing all of East Ghouta under their control? This is a familiar tactic.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: And I'm saying it would have been absolutely stupid for Assad to launch a chemical attack which he KNOWS would bring the west back into the conflict, just before taking out one of the last rebel strongholds.
Another person writing A VERY SIMILAR article could have just as easily said:
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shivas.wisdom said: The people who looked into the truth asked an important question: What advantage could the Assad regime conceivably hope to gain by using chemical weapons when its forces were on the brink of defeating JAI and bringing all of East Ghouta under their control? It's a brilliant question.
See how that works?
A brilliant question? It's just a deflection tactic. Odd how someone claiming to have a non-biased interest in all the facts regarding Syria consistently appears to have absolutely no knowledge of facts contrary to the claims of Assad's regime. You can find every new witness and report that defends Assad, but you've never found a response to your "brilliant question"? You must have not been trying.
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Syrian Regime kills dozens in Chem attack on Douma Holdout Enclave: Why?
On Saturday [7 April], the Russian press reported that Army of Islam spokesmen boasted that the [Syrian Arab Army] special operations Panther Forces (Quwwat al-Nimr) [this is a special unit of Tiger Force: see here] that had been committed against Ghouta militias were taking high numbers of casualties from Army of Islam snipers as they tried to advance into Douma. The regime has suffered a military collapse over the past seven years, with most Sunni Arabs deserting or defecting. Alawi Shiite troops are for the most part loyal to the regime, but there may be only 35,000 or 50,000 of them left (the Syrian Arab Army had 300,000 troops in 2010).
The long and the short of it is that strongman Bashar al-Assad cannot afford to lose highly trained and highly valuable Panther Forces troops in large numbers.
Chemical weapons are used by desperate regimes that are either outnumbered by the enemy or are reluctant to take casualties in their militaries… It might be asked why the regime would take this chance, given that Trump bombed the Shuaryat Air Force base last year this time in response to regime use of chemical weaponry at Khan Shikhoun. The answer is that the regime is more worried about disaffection in the ranks of its Special Forces than it is about Trump.
Let’s return to this quote next. Care to expand on all these other "chemical attack stories"? Apparently Douma wasn't the only fake attack according to you. I'm curious just how deep your defence of Assad goes, so why not start by detailing all the other fake chemical attacks committed by the White Helmets.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The 'White Helmets' are the ones who started the chemical attack story in the first place (as noted in my OP). In fact, they're the ones behind just about every one of Syria's chemical attack stories.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26981176 - 10/12/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's a handy infographic. Which of these do you consider to be "chemical attack stories" attributable to the White Helmets?
 https://www.ohchr.org/SiteCollectionImages/Bodies/HRCouncil/IICISyria/COISyria_ChemicalWeapons.jpg
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26981202 - 10/12/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: A brilliant question? It's just a deflection tactic.
Exactly. Now you understand why your own example proved absolutely nothing. People using words like "disinformation campaign" and "brilliant question" mean nothing. What's important is evidence. Something the OPCW wants to cover up.
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shivas.wisdom said: Odd how someone claiming to have a non-biased interest in all the facts regarding Syria consistently appears to have absolutely no knowledge of facts contrary to the claims of Assad's regime. You can find every new witness and report that defends Assad, but you've never found a response to your "brilliant question"? You must have not been trying.
Odd how someone is using make believe to bolster their argument. I've been discussing opposing viewpoints this entire thread and I'm very aware that there are conflicting reports. That's why I'm trying to focus on actual evidence, not what one side or the other is claiming.
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shivas.wisdom said: Chemical weapons are used by desperate regimes that are either outnumbered by the enemy or are reluctant to take casualties in their militaries…
Actually, I would think a bomb that destroyed the entire apartment complex would be more effective than chlorine gas that allowed some people to run.
But again, I'd like to focus on evidence rather than "nuh uh, uh huh".
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shivas.wisdom said: Care to expand on all these other "chemical attack stories"?
I'd prefer to stick to the topic of 7 Apr 18 in Douma. If you want to concede a chemical attack didn't happen then and there, then let's talk about the others.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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No, I'd like to stick to the topic of 7 Apr 18 in Douma. If you want to concede a chemical attack didn't happen then and there, then I'll talk about other attacks.
Why don’t you comment on the other attacks. It would certainly clear up your motivations, which right now appears to just be providing cover for a war criminal
Don’t worry. Nobody expects you to call out Assad.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: koods]
#26981214 - 10/12/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude, show me the evidence that the attack happened, and we're done. You LOVE the "nuh uh, uh huh" arguments. I don't.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26981217 - 10/12/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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This thread is full of evidence.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: koods]
#26981220 - 10/12/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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And it's full of counter evidence too.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: koods]
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No, I'd like to stick to the topic of 7 Apr 18 in Douma. If you want to concede a chemical attack didn't happen then and there, then I'll talk about other attacks.
Why don’t you comment on the other attacks. It would certainly clear up your motivations, which right now appears to just be providing cover for a war criminal
Don’t worry. Nobody expects you to call out Assad.
Especially since I was only asking for clarification of a comment they made.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The 'White Helmets' are the ones who started the chemical attack story in the first place (as noted in my OP). In fact, they're the ones behind just about every one of Syria's chemical attack stories.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26981254 - 10/12/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: I was only asking for clarification of a comment they made.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The 'White Helmets' are the ones who started the chemical attack story in the first place (as noted in my OP). In fact, they're the ones behind just about every one of Syria's chemical attack stories.
What clarification is needed? They're involved in every chemical attack story that I've seen. We can debate the others when we're done with this one.
The White Helmets received over $100 million so far from the US and the UK.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26981453 - 10/12/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: What clarification is needed? They're involved in every chemical attack story that I've seen.
For you to clarify what you mean by "chemical attack stories", and the specific "stories" you attribute to the White Helmets. Your initial wording can be interpreted as claiming that "just about every one" of the Syrian chemical attacks were instead White Helmet fabrications:
The 'White Helmets' are the ones who started the chemical attack story in the first place (as noted in my OP). In fact, they're the ones behind just about every one of Syria's chemical attack stories.
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