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[Urgent] A find in a nursery, please help ID so i can buy <3
    #26980883 - 10/12/20 04:57 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hello dear Shroomery experts,

i have found this meter long cactus inside a nursery, and in the label it says : cereus pilosocereus azureus

But after researching it does not look like that specie, i would like to buy this, and i think it's a pachanoi ?

Would appreciate the expert opinion on this. thank you so much guys!

here are all the pics i could take to help identify:















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Re: [Urgent] A find in a nursery, please help ID so i can buy <3 [Re: Sovetcke] * 1
    #26981015 - 10/12/20 07:59 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Pachanoi

Last pic to the left is a terscheckii


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Re: [Urgent] A find in a nursery, please help ID so i can buy <3 [Re: Sovetcke]
    #26981278 - 10/12/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Definitely San Pedro / Pach, little stretched on the tip and it will probably need to be trimmed there after a year or more of growth. If the Trichos are the only one's mis-labeled, it's probably done just to avoid any potential hassles.

I like that milk tree next to it. :smile:


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Re: [Urgent] A find in a nursery, please help ID so i can buy <3 [Re: Sovetcke]
    #26982649 - 10/13/20 12:00 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It might be mistakenly labelled - it could be Pilosocereus pachycladus, which is not a Trichocereus.

People tend to be hopeful, and think a samey-looking cactus is Pachanoi. Thing is, columnar cacti are often homogeneous in appearance. Major physiological variation tends to reveal itself when flowering, which happens in mature plants, so its difficult to tell when they are pups/cuttings. Additionally, San Pedro has numerous species, numerous strains, PC or non-PC, and it can have anywhere from 5 to 9 spines.

Most San Pedro have 7-9 spines, and from that picture it looks like it has at least 5. If it only has 5, I'd be suspicious.

Its thorns look like "Americanized Pachanoi" - often referred to as "Pachanots" as in (not) Pachanoi in the entheogenic sense. I've read that Americanized Pachs have very tiny thorns, and that one, despite being fairly large, has very tiny and short thorns.

It could be a PC clone of a generic Americanized Pachanoi. There was a meta-analysis done on DMT-nexus for PC vs non-PC cacti. They found that "Americanized" pachanoi had significantly lower Mescaline content. The average was .3% mescaline content in DRY weight - and Trich. Pach. is about 95% water by weight. So a 1lb/550g cutting would be only ~25g of clorophyllous dried material. Now, .3% mescaline for 25 grams would be 75mg Mescaline, which is not even half of a threshold dose, so basically useless.

You could prepare that entire cactus and likely not trip. In fact, if the content is .3% dry weight, you would need 8lb/4400g of fresh cactus - which would be about 220 grams of dried cactus skin, which would contain ~650mg of mescaline - a moderately high dose.

Bridgesii has lower Mescaline content in almost all the literature and scientific studies using GC/MS testing. However, despite this, qualitative reports have found it to have higher mescaline than T. Pachanoi.

T. Pachanoi is meant to be grown in mountainous deserts at altitudes of 6000-8000ft. US-grown San Pedro will be far less potent. A meta-analysis of Pachanoi samples (cited on wiki page) found that Mescaline content sharply declines the further the samples go from South America. European grown Pachanoi's had very little Mescaline, and US-grown Pachanoi's had the same.

Even in the case that this was a San Pedro cactus, you are better off getting a NON-PC (predominant culture) strain like Juul's Giant or SS02. Better yet, get a cutting of a Bridgesii.


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Re: [Urgent] A find in a nursery, please help ID so i can buy <3 [Re: DancingWolf]
    #26982712 - 10/13/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you so much guys, i got it and it's happy home :smile: hopefully he'll grow big and happy :smile:


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Re: [Urgent] A find in a nursery, please help ID so i can buy <3 [Re: edgar1337]
    #26998086 - 10/22/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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edgar1337 said:Bridgesii has lower Mescaline content in almost all the literature and scientific studies using GC/MS testing. However, despite this, qualitative reports have found it to have higher mescaline than T. Pachanoi.



Are you sure about that?
I have read the exact opposite, in many places, that Bridgesii is the best bet Tricho to get if a specific high yield clone isnt available.
Bridgesii is said to be more consistently higher in mescaline that the other variants who is more of a gamble.


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