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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: HamHead]
    #26980384 - 10/11/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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This is Trumps America, how are you liking it?




A majority of violence has been coming from mostly leftist groups.

I don't think Trump supporters burn down buildings.

Reports of ANTIFA/BLM using the cans donated during their soup drive as weapons, thrown at trump supports during



ANTIFA and some blm members not all have been in violent protests and have their share of the blame but one doesnt justifies the others violence just because there's left wing extremist. One of the problems is that in cases like Kyle Rittenhouse you don't see that violence from Trump supporters you saw it as self-defense. Right-wing terrorist militia group planned to kidnap and kill the governor, overthrow the government, kill police, blow up bridges, burn buildings and take hostages and you have people like lowbrow that justify that kind of terrorism also. So what we are seeing is more and more far right wing groups that have organized plots of terrorism and the president and most far right supporters have barely ever mentioned the real problem of actual terrorists instead of criminals who do bad things in the name of ANTIFA or BLM without actually being organized by them.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26980428 - 10/11/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)



Did Kyle ever claim to be a Trump supporter? Link?

One thing I have noticed is, cops don't have many problems at Trump rallies. They just stand around and watch.

:shrug:

Can't really say the same for what many have been witnessing for 130+ days now.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: HamHead]
    #26980628 - 10/11/20 09:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

There's many pictures and videos of him f4ont row at a rally and he tik toked it

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kenosha-protest-shooting-suspect-kyle-rittenhouse-stood-front-row-at-iowa-trump-rally-in-january

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/kenosha-suspect-kyle-rittenhouse-trump-rally

He heard the rhetoric that these riots were destroying America and that if the police weren't going to do anything someone else should which led to his actions


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26980639 - 10/11/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

"His connections to law enforcement, however, go beyond his vocal support of police on social media. In a statement to BuzzFeed News on Wednesday, the Grayslake Police Department confirmed that Rittenhouse was a former member of the Lindenhurst, Grayslake, Hainesville Police Department's Public Safety Cadet Program."

"Rittenhouse was also a fire protection cadet with the Antioch Fire Department. Its chief, Jon Cokefair, confirmed Rittenhouse was part of the program, which he said has been discontinued since March due to COVID-19. The program, taught by firefighters, introduces high school students to a career in firefighting. “Our weapons are axes and fire hoses. We don’t have any kind of firearms training or anything,” said Cokefair, who declined to comment on Rittenhouse’s charges."

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IMO, seems like a kid wanting to help his community. Police/fire cadet looking to murder people doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26980643 - 10/11/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Guy had just as much reason to shoot as Rittenhouse did.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26980655 - 10/11/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Guy had just as much reason to shoot as Rittenhouse did.




This is arguably, as it is clear the victim takes steps back before being fired upon. Shooter had plenty of space and time to not shoot dude in the face.

Kyle had people going after him, closing distance, attacking with skateboard and boot and potentially a pistol.

This victim was first targeted for his mace and slapped shooter away for attempting to take it from victim.

Mace was used in response to a pistol being drawn, in self defense.

Dude should have been vetted before being hired as security for a political 'event' having biases of his own, clearly leftist.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: HamHead]
    #26980672 - 10/11/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
Guy had just as much reason to shoot as Rittenhouse did.




This is arguably, as it is clear the victim takes steps back before being fired upon. Shooter had plenty of space and time to not shoot dude in the face.

Kyle had people going after him, closing distance, attacking with skateboard and boot and potentially a pistol.

This victim was first targeted for his mace and slapped shooter away for attempting to take it from victim.

Mace was used in response to a pistol being drawn, in self defense.

Dude should have been vetted before being hired as security for a political 'event' having biases of his own, clearly leftist.




Maybe. Either way, I'm having a hard time seeing justifiable homicide in this one.

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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: HamHead]
    #26980691 - 10/11/20 10:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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"His connections to law enforcement, however, go beyond his vocal support of police on social media. In a statement to BuzzFeed News on Wednesday, the Grayslake Police Department confirmed that Rittenhouse was a former member of the Lindenhurst, Grayslake, Hainesville Police Department's Public Safety Cadet Program."

"Rittenhouse was also a fire protection cadet with the Antioch Fire Department. Its chief, Jon Cokefair, confirmed Rittenhouse was part of the program, which he said has been discontinued since March due to COVID-19. The program, taught by firefighters, introduces high school students to a career in firefighting. “Our weapons are axes and fire hoses. We don’t have any kind of firearms training or anything,” said Cokefair, who declined to comment on Rittenhouse’s charges."

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IMO, seems like a kid wanting to help his community. Police/fire cadet looking to murder people doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me.



Yes he is a good example of an impressionable kid that started with good intentions and ended in murder because of hearing rhetoric that led him to believe being a vigilante protector of businesses with a rifle was acceptable  He was looking to help the community but the way that was presented to him to do that was to be a vigilante protecting businesses with his rifle ultimately shooting people to do so. He wasn't going to go to an active riot and have everyone just stop what they're doing so at that point he felt He had to "protect" by shooting someone with the rifle he brought. You don't bring a shovel unless you're ready to dig and that's even more true with guns. Everyone that grows up with guns knows if you're wielding a gun you better be ready to use it.

  He brought the rifle for a reason and hated the rioters for a reason.Think logically he said very clear he was going to defend the businesses with his gun, he certainly didn't intend to throw it at them, he brought it to shoot people destroying businesses and he did.   

Also I was answering your question whether he was a Trump supporter and followed the rhetoric he did, thought he would bring law and order with a gun. That's vigilante murder though not law and order.  We've had full threads of back and forth about this but the overarching point is if you think the majority of all violent politically based criminal acts come from the "Radical leftist" you're just willfully ignoring the radical far rights amping up of terrorist acts recently that are at times a much bigger threat then any antifa or BLM twerp that's happened so far.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26980722 - 10/11/20 11:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah man after someone gets shot they have like twenty seconds to do anything possible to kill you unless like other poster says you really just demolish the fool


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: theRealrollforever] * 1
    #26980855 - 10/12/20 03:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

In most states, you can't meet force (mace) with deadly force (bullets).
Force and deadly force are very plainly differentiated and defined in law. The shooter is likely fucked.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26980876 - 10/12/20 04:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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HamHead said:
"His connections to law enforcement, however, go beyond his vocal support of police on social media. In a statement to BuzzFeed News on Wednesday, the Grayslake Police Department confirmed that Rittenhouse was a former member of the Lindenhurst, Grayslake, Hainesville Police Department's Public Safety Cadet Program."

"Rittenhouse was also a fire protection cadet with the Antioch Fire Department. Its chief, Jon Cokefair, confirmed Rittenhouse was part of the program, which he said has been discontinued since March due to COVID-19. The program, taught by firefighters, introduces high school students to a career in firefighting. “Our weapons are axes and fire hoses. We don’t have any kind of firearms training or anything,” said Cokefair, who declined to comment on Rittenhouse’s charges."

Edit.

IMO, seems like a kid wanting to help his community. Police/fire cadet looking to murder people doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me.



Yes he is a good example of an impressionable kid that started with good intentions and ended in murder because of hearing rhetoric that led him to believe being a vigilante protector of businesses with a rifle was acceptable  He was looking to help the community but the way that was presented to him to do that was to be a vigilante protecting businesses with his rifle ultimately shooting people to do so. He wasn't going to go to an active riot and have everyone just stop what they're doing so at that point he felt He had to "protect" by shooting someone with the rifle he brought. You don't bring a shovel unless you're ready to dig and that's even more true with guns. Everyone that grows up with guns knows if you're wielding a gun you better be ready to use it.

  He brought the rifle for a reason and hated the rioters for a reason.Think logically he said very clear he was going to defend the businesses with his gun, he certainly didn't intend to throw it at them, he brought it to shoot people destroying businesses and he did.   

Also I was answering your question whether he was a Trump supporter and followed the rhetoric he did, thought he would bring law and order with a gun. That's vigilante murder though not law and order.  We've had full threads of back and forth about this but the overarching point is if you think the majority of all violent politically based criminal acts come from the "Radical leftist" you're just willfully ignoring the radical far rights amping up of terrorist acts recently that are at times a much bigger threat then any antifa or BLM twerp that's happened so far.




You make it sound like people were coming at the business he was protecting and shooting at those threatening the business, when he was being chased down and shot in self defense when people were coming at him, threatening his life.

I bet if no one was aggressive towards Kyle, he wouldn't have had any need or reason to shoot anyone.

Also, kyle was fleeing, meaning he was probably no longer near that business he was protecting, making it more a case of self defense when people are attacking him and not a business.

Can you give me links to these far right events?

Because what I have been seeing is mainly left wing groups of BLM/ANTIFA which are inciting violence.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #26980893 - 10/12/20 05:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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HamHead said:
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Baby_Hitler said:
Guy had just as much reason to shoot as Rittenhouse did.




This is arguably, as it is clear the victim takes steps back before being fired upon. Shooter had plenty of space and time to not shoot dude in the face.

Kyle had people going after him, closing distance, attacking with skateboard and boot and potentially a pistol.

This victim was first targeted for his mace and slapped shooter away for attempting to take it from victim.

Mace was used in response to a pistol being drawn, in self defense.

Dude should have been vetted before being hired as security for a political 'event' having biases of his own, clearly leftist.




If I'm about to mace someone, I'd probably take a few steps back too, so I didn't get any on me.

Dude brought mace to a gun fight.

Bottom line, neither one of those hotheaded people should have been where they were, doing what they were doing. They were BOTH looking for confrontation, one was just better prepared.

Everyone needs to shut the fuck up about their opinion online, and that includes me.  What is it about just needing to put your two cents in, like THAT'S gonna make the difference.

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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Ima Trooper]
    #26980912 - 10/12/20 06:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

HamHead said:
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Baby_Hitler said:
Guy had just as much reason to shoot as Rittenhouse did.




This is arguably, as it is clear the victim takes steps back before being fired upon. Shooter had plenty of space and time to not shoot dude in the face.

Kyle had people going after him, closing distance, attacking with skateboard and boot and potentially a pistol.

This victim was first targeted for his mace and slapped shooter away for attempting to take it from victim.

Mace was used in response to a pistol being drawn, in self defense.

Dude should have been vetted before being hired as security for a political 'event' having biases of his own, clearly leftist.




If I'm about to mace someone, I'd probably take a few steps back too, so I didn't get any on me.

Dude brought mace to a gun fight.

Bottom line, neither one of those hotheaded people should have been where they were, doing what they were doing. They were BOTH looking for confrontation, one was just better prepared.

Everyone needs to shut the fuck up about their opinion online, and that includes me.  What is it about just needing to put your two cents in, like THAT'S gonna make the difference.

We're weird, man.




Guy brought mace to a PEACEFUL PROTEST, ffs. That security guard should have been better vetted. Seems like he was the one with a hot trigger finger, seeing how long his pistol was drawn before firing.

It was said that the right wing were leaving and left wing were following and provoking them as they were leaving.

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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: HamHead] * 3
    #26980929 - 10/12/20 06:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It was said, was it? :blah::liar:


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26980935 - 10/12/20 06:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Guy brought mace to a PEACEFUL PROTEST, ffs.




Right, because a bunch of radicalized left wing nutjobs having a protest right next to a bunch of yee-haw assholes hopped up on freedom and mountain dew has absolutely no chance of becoming violent. :rolleyes:

The only thing that surprises me is that the shooting wasn't the other way around. But I guess it doesn't matter, either way. Just gonna keep stretching that divide!


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Ima Trooper] * 2
    #26981060 - 10/12/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

This is  ALL orchestrated. Left and right.....makes it too easy to pit people against each other which in turn makes it easy for them to be controlled.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26981123 - 10/12/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Do u really belive its some conspiracy or do u think its just you people being assholes to one another. Shits all fun and games tho right. People should be fucking ashamed of yourselves.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26981128 - 10/12/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

WTF do you mean by "you people" are you not a people? Did you ascend to the Level Beyond Human, or something?


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26981134 - 10/12/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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    #26981141 - 10/12/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Do u really belive its some conspiracy or do u think its just you people being assholes to one another. Shits all fun and games tho right. People should be fucking ashamed of yourselves.



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