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No fruiting, small white dots all over monotub
#26980658 - 10/11/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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How long should fruiting usually take? These tubs have been sitting for 2 weeks with nothing that looks promising to me. Today in all three tubs I noticed these white dots all over the mycelium. Is this contamination? One of my tubs is even growing mold. Are these three tubs all a loss?




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Re: No fruiting, small white dots all over monotub [Re: doctortickle]
#26980665 - 10/11/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The white looks like cobweb mold. The darker could be trich but I’ve only seen it dark green. Are your tubs in direct sunlight? What’s the average temp of the room?
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Have you been misting and fanning? Is it 2 weeks since you layed the tub or is it 2 weeks after fruiting conditions? You should def see at least some fruits off of that tub though.
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Re: No fruiting, small white dots all over monotub [Re: Hikeadellic]
#26980677 - 10/11/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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If it’s a mono tub done correctly to tek and his substrate was at perfect field capacity there’s no reason to mist and fan. I would have just one oscillating fan pointed away from my tubs to keep the air circulating but that’s it. The only time I took my lid off was to put spawn and substrate in and once again to harvest fruits. With SGFC its necessary to most and fan. Or I guess maybe with a tub in a tub.
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They are in a room with a window, they get indirect sunlight. The sun never shines directly through this window. The room is pretty much at a constant 76F. I have not been misting and fanning, they have remained plenty moist on their own with a constant layer of dew over the top.
It has been two weeks since I spawned from grain spawn to the tub. Only a few days at fruiting conditions. How long after fruiting conditions does it normally take? And whats the total amount of time usually from first placement into a monotub to harvesting first flush?
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Re: No fruiting, small white dots all over monotub [Re: Hikeadellic]
#26980690 - 10/11/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hikeadellic said: Have you been misting and fanning? Is it 2 weeks since you layed the tub or is it 2 weeks after fruiting conditions? You should def see at least some fruits off of that tub though.
Do you mean I should have seen fruits by now or I should see fruits eventually?
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Re: No fruiting, small white dots all over monotub [Re: doctortickle]
#26980720 - 10/11/20 11:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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doctortickle said: They are in a room with a window, they get indirect sunlight. The sun never shines directly through this window. The room is pretty much at a constant 76F. I have not been misting and fanning, they have remained plenty moist on their own with a constant layer of dew over the top.
It has been two weeks since I spawned from grain spawn to the tub. Only a few days at fruiting conditions. How long after fruiting conditions does it normally take? And whats the total amount of time usually from first placement into a monotub to harvesting first flush?
The first thing over anything with this is patience. There’s a lot of factors that make the process longer or shorter and some of it is just up to the mushrooms. The only thing I can suggest since I had the same thing happen to me is, get an oscillating fan. Put it in your room to keep the fae going. But make sure to not point the fan directly at the tubs or you could dry them out. I set my fan a few feet from the tubs and point it in the opposite direction. If you don’t have a fan moving the air, at a mid to upper 70s temp will leave your tubs with stagnant air and you’ll get what you got. Once your tub goes into fruit fae is paramount. My lesson learned, double check that you’re not using too much polyfil if that’s what you’re using as your filter. Fans can’t do much if it’s not breathable.
Also, if it’s standard tek I’m guessing you spawned to coir. The next time just double down on pasteurizing to make sure you’re making it as hard as possible for anything you don’t want growing to be in your tubs.
If you have this happen again if you can catch it before it blankets the top, you can try spraying with hydrogen peroxide to slow the growth. Don’t over do it though. You can also just cut those chunks off like a piece of pie and try to salvage the rest. I recommend doing this away from anywhere you grow to prevent spore spread and maybe change clothes before you go back into the room with your doctored tubs just to be extra careful.
Depending on where you live, just throw them out in the back yard somewhere. I threw out one that had cobweb after I was able to get a few fruits from. It was fall, humid and rainy and I got a better yield than any tub.
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-no, that's not cobweb mold. -no, don't spray peroxide on your tub. -no, don't remove chunks of moldy substrate and expect anything positive to happen. by that point, mold has colonized the entire center of your substrate. -i dont know what "doubling down" on pasteurizing means but you don't need to double or even single pasteurize coir. the bucket tek works fine. -sometimes there is reason to mist and fan your tubs. although not necessary, a lot of people stilll mist and fan tubs anyways to get a better pinset. it just depends on your evaporation rate. +1 about the oscillating fan in the room though. that's exactly what i do too.
-yeah that last pic is mold, i'm 100% sure. throw that tub in the garbage. don't try to save it. it's too early. if the mushrooms were a day away from harvest then you can push it but you don't even have pins yet so just toss that tub now. -those little white balls are knots. they will turn into mushrooms in a few days. -2 weeks is a little slow but not unheard of. it's probably because your grain spawn is dirty. you should learn how to use agar. don't inject spores into your grain jars because you'll end up with a moldy tub before you even get pins. i'd be willing to bet my left testicle that the reason your grain spawn is dirty is because you injected spores into your grain jars.
please be careful about the advice you give. if you're not 1000% sure it's correct, it's best to just wait and see what someone else says or at least be very clear that you're just speculating.
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Re: No fruiting, small white dots all over monotub [Re: FriedEgg]
#26980972 - 10/12/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I’m 2000% sure. Everything is experience through trial and error. Everything I mentioned I had success with. Peroxide is fine. I usually add it to my water when I pasteurize to “double down” (or make absolutely sure I make it intolerable for anything but mycelium.) I’m not a gambler so when I hear double down I think “extra” as in Make extra sure you’re holding temp at the center of your sub through pasteurization. Pay close attention to everything.
Yes it does look like cobweb. It’s blanketed over the top of the casing AND it’s even coupled with clearly identifiable mold in one of the pictures. Maybe take a look at all the pictures again? I thought cobweb was myc once too. It’s in the upper 70s and likely there is no fan to create enough FAE so I’m wondering how you’re not able to connect the dots. And chances are that mold hasn’t spread through his whole sub. It’s not different from bread when it molds in one spot and then eventually the whole piece. Especially if there’s no airflow to spread the spores... In fact, take a sniff inside. I forgot to mention that. It should smell like mushrooms. But I’m willing to bet that those will smell like mildew.
I had the same thing happen the very first time I switched to tubs from pf, used the lazy bucket tek to pasteurize although I used agar to spawn my grains I got the same contams. Everything I mentioned worked and will still work without any detriment to the OP’s health and safety. He’s fine doing any one of those things I mentioned. Just because this is a new account doesn’t mean I’m new to this.
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someone that doesn't even know how to properly dry shrooms probably doesn't grow enough of them to know what they are doing in the first place... https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26965738
i'm not going to bother addressing all the incorrect things in that last post. you need to grow some shrooms, post some pics, and earn a reputation by showing successful grows before you challenge standard advice. because right now you just look like like the blind leading the blind. your account is a month old, you've posted no pics, and your thread history is a long list of "what am i doing wrong?" type threads.
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Re: No fruiting, small white dots all over monotub [Re: FriedEgg]
#26981512 - 10/12/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The fried yolk speaks the truth. There is no use for peroxide in this hobby.
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Re: No fruiting, small white dots all over monotub [Re: Inocuole]
#26981789 - 10/12/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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This thread has some of the worst advice ive ever seen. Listen to fried egg
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Re: No fruiting, small white dots all over monotub [Re: FriedEgg]
#26982286 - 10/12/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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You got me dude... I didn’t know this was the let’s point out everybody’s problems with the hobby thread. I’m sharing what worked for me. Just that. But hey, I didn’t give any pointers on drying lol. Haters gonna hate.
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sorry for going off on you. i had a short temper today.
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Quote:
Charliekilofoxtrot said: You got me dude... I didn’t know this was the let’s point out everybody’s problems with the hobby thread. I’m sharing what worked for me. Just that. But hey, I didn’t give any pointers on drying lol. Haters gonna hate.
If you're taking this personally then you are in an ego trap. It's not about "haters" and "let's point out disagreements".
Here's what it is.
This is a place where people come to get advice that will lead them to success. You are not in a position to give great advice because you haven't had enough experience to draw accurate conclusions from the correlations you're perceiving between your actions and the reactions of the organism we're cultivating.
Peroxide does NOTHING positive. At any stage. If you think it does, you haven't tried it enough without it to realize that it's placebo at best, and harming your grow and wasting money at worst. The only time it's useful is if you have cobweb mold but alas: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23255387
This isn't about hate or someone being right and someone being wrong. We've just been doing this a looong time and things become clearer the more you do them.
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Re: No fruiting, small white dots all over monotub [Re: Inocuole]
#26987341 - 10/15/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just wanted to update everyone in this thread on what I did and how my grow is progressing:
Just so this is clear, these are literally my first tubs ever, so I apologize for being a noob/kook/ignoramus/whatever:
Tub #1 I went ahead and completely cut out the moldy parts. I've continued to have some success with what looks (to me) to be normally growing mushrooms. Very nervous because after cutting out the first time, I had a completely separate area of mold pop up that I then cut out. I just want at least one of these fruits to come to fruition .
I have not sprayed any H2O2 on this tub.



Tub #2 This one I didnt see any fruiting on initially when I posted this and given the first reply, I figured it was completely covered with cobweb (which after reading subsequent replies, I guess it wasn't...lesson learned). Anyway, I sprayed it with 3% H2O2, a few times over a couple of days. And I've started to see plenty of pins! I'm sure these are pinning in spite of the H2O2 treatment and not because of it, so I'm very nervous I've killed off what looks like good mycelium now that I know what I'm actually looking at....


All I can do is wait I guess..
I think the biggest change I made was bringing the fan in. It seems like all this growth started after that. Guess my FAE was not adequate enough. Anyway I'm just praying now that Tub #1 makes it despite the mold and that Tub #2 makes it despite my best attempts to murder it with H2O2.
Any further advice or commentary is appreciated!
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Re: No fruiting, small white dots all over monotub [Re: doctortickle]
#26987856 - 10/16/20 01:20 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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i would just give up on tub #1. it's going to be green in a few days. i'd bet money on it. watch it carefully.
good job on the FAE. you should give tub #2 a light spritz of water. it looks a little dry. next time you should think about adding a casing layer. it'll make it easier to dial in the right conditions.
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