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Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro?
    #26980567 - 10/11/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hey guys...so I've got a box of SP cuttings I'm trying to turn into medicine. It's very strange, but for some reason psychedelics make me like 10x more nauseous than they used to. I used to be able to eat anywhere from 3.5- 7 grams of shrooms with very little sickness but now I have to be very careful and have recently puked from a 5 gram lemon tek. Even worse, I puked up lots of the magic and had a short lived experience. The Same thing happens every time I try any sort of aya/pharmahuasca.

As for the cactus, I've tried microdosing dried powder and even with doses far less than what you would need to trip I still have to toss it back up within 45 min and don't feel much from it. I know that raw powder is supposed to be the most nausea inducing way to take it though so I want to try either a tea or an extract next. I hear that some of the more crude extracts like alcohol or d limonene are not much better for nausea than just making tea or reducing tea to sludge so I'd like some opinions from the veterans out there.

I'm not sure I have the experience or chemistry knowledge to attempt some of this stuff but the d limo extract definitely looks doable as well as ethanol. So what should I try next, d limo, Ethanol, or just filter some tea really well and reduce to a powder or sludge? Thank you for reading and thanks in advance for your time!


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Re: Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro? [Re: Dirk_hoffmeister15]
    #26981095 - 10/12/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hi there,

check out this crude extraction TEK. Sure you can use powder as starting material.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26913079

(Beware, in the US and Germany cactus powder from SanPedro is illegal to buy, possess, and sell. Only living cuttings are legal to buy)

For the nausea: A few drops of lemon essential oil diminish nausea caused by psychedelics.
The oil blocks most of the 5ht2 receptors in our gut that cause the nausea. Just pour like 8 to 10 drops into a glass of water and drink it before dosing the cactus.

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Re: Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro? [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #26986344 - 10/15/20 01:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Try getting the cactus whole and processing it yourself. Remove all the white inner material. Remove the waxy outside skin. Dry out the green sections for a week or two to dry up the jelly like stuff under the skin. Then boil them in water for 6-12 hours. No need to powder, only makes it harder to filter out the solid material. Reduce to desired amount.

The white inner material and the waxy outer material are thought to be responsible for nausea and no contain very little to no mescaline.


Edited by Messiah of Savants (10/15/20 01:51 AM)


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Re: Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro? [Re: Messiah of Savants]
    #26986410 - 10/15/20 04:04 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Funny you should mention that, I actually made some coconut oil/lemon essential oil capsules for that very reason...I just haven't gotten to try them out much yet. I'll definitely be experimenting with that some more and will post back to let you guys know how it goes. Thanks for reminding me about those.


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Re: Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro? [Re: Dirk_hoffmeister15]
    #26986417 - 10/15/20 04:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hey man, so I actually did get whole cactus and I did remove the waxy outer layer and saved only the dark green skin. Your saying to dry that it's best to just leave it laying out on paper plates or hanging from a string or something for a few days?

Just the powder from the dark green skin without the waxy layer has been making me too sick to hold down a dose long enough. Might try making a tea next.


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Re: Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro? [Re: Dirk_hoffmeister15]
    #26986422 - 10/15/20 04:17 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Lemon oil extract doesn't work IME and it's really awful to drink down.


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Re: Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro? [Re: Messiah of Savants] * 1
    #26986439 - 10/15/20 04:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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The white inner material and the waxy outer material are thought to be responsible for nausea and no contain very little to no mescaline.




^^ that's an Urban myth.

Use ginger.

Read up on the correct way to drink scotch and apply. (Technique, dont actually drink scotch..)

Use a fresh water chaser.

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Re: Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro? [Re: The Thing]
    #26986459 - 10/15/20 05:15 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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^^ that's an Urban myth.

Use ginger.

Read up on the correct way to drink scotch and apply. (Technique, dont actually drink scotch..)

Use a fresh water chaser.

Enjoy.




That may be true, but I've heard of multiple brewers who have been making it for a long time for many groups of people that prepare it similarly for the same reasons.

Ginger never helped anything for me either.

Are you speaking of just getting it down without puking? or the nausea that comes when it starts to be metabolized in the gut? I don't think a water chaser would help at all in the later case.


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Re: Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro? [Re: Messiah of Savants] * 1
    #26986536 - 10/15/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Im purely speaking about the consumption part, the nausea of the actual experience is part of the actual experience in my honest opinion. I get it everytime. Sucks but meh. :shrug:


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    #26988747 - 10/16/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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The white inner material and the waxy outer material are thought to be responsible for nausea and no contain very little to no mescaline.




^^ that's an Urban myth.





Yes it is definitely an urban myth.  And unfortunately it is a myth that seems to be growing more and more widespread on the internet.

Check out this link:

https://troutsnotes.com/pdf/SC3_B.pdf

The green flesh contains about 40% of the alkaloids.  More of the alkaloids are contained in the white flesh.  Its just that the alks are more concentrated in the green flesh because there is so much less of it by volume compared to the white flesh.  People who only use the green flesh are throwing away most of the mescaline.


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Re: Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro? [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26996820 - 10/21/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I've taken shrooms enough times to know what a reasonable amount of nausea is and I agree that some nausea is to be expected but the amount I'm getting is entirely unreasonable. I mean, I literally can't trip from the stuff because even though I'm getting it down without too much trouble, I can't hold it down for longer than 20-30 minutes and every single time I'll start to feel a come up... but then I puke and it completely stops. I know for a fact this is not normal.


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Re: Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro? [Re: Dirk_hoffmeister15] * 4
    #26997023 - 10/21/20 08:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Mescaline causes nausea on its own.  It is possible that you may be particularly sensitive to it. 

In terms of reducing nausea from San Pedro tea I have found a few things that help with the nausea:

1) Filter and decant the tea as much as possible.  The tiny particles of plant sediment in the tea cause really bad nausea for me.  Make sure that you strain the tea through a t-shirt or fine mesh strainer so that you remove as much of the particles as possible.  Even  with that there will still be fine particles floating in the tea.  You need to let it sit undisturbed in the fridge for several days so that the particles settle to the bottom of the tea.  Then you slowly pour off and save the liquid and discard the sediment at the bottom.  Doing this will significantly decrease the nausea from the tea for me.

2) As soon as you drink a sip of the tea you need to immediately chase the flavor with something that will clean out your palate.  I like big wedges of lime or grapefruit.  You need to get that flavor out of your mouth right away or it will just linger and keep getting worse.

3) Try to pace yourself as you drink the tea.  Drink some, then wait a few minutes for you stomach to settle before drinking more.  If you drink it slowly like that, spaced over 30 minutes or so, it is easier to keep it down.

4) Limit your intake of water or other beverages for the first couple of hours after consuming the tea.  Drinking water can trigger puking when the tea is still in your stomach.  Give your body a couple of hours to absorb the tea before you drink water for your thirst, and go easy with it at first.

Hopefully these tips will help you keep the tea down.  But sometimes, no matter what, your going to puke anyway.  Just do your best to hold the tea down for a couple of hours at least.  Best luck with it OP.


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Re: Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro? [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26998162 - 10/22/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Excellent advice Grey Fox :justastonishing:

I have a pretty weak stomach myself and a mild fear of throwing up and the things that Grey Fox mentioned are exactly what I do when I drink San Pedro tea.

When you concentrate the potency of the tea, its much easier to hold and drink down in my opinion. Its tricky to concentrate thou cause of the time involved and not boiling it "too fast" where you burn your tea (very bad situation). Just gotta slowly simmer it, stir often, add a little water as need and watch it the whole time.

Ive heard lemon oil helps with the sickness feeling but I havent tried it, except for Lemon and Lime juice concentrates used in the tea-making process. Might be worth a try thou :shrug:


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Re: Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26998850 - 10/22/20 11:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you! Sounds very solid. Definitely gonna try making tea and being extremely thorough when straining next. I hadn't thought about pacing myself more because I know that with shrooms or L you have to get the whole dose within like 30 min and if you wait too long you don't get a strong trip, but now that you mention it I think Ive read somewhere that mescaline is different and you can stagger your dose more without loss of potency. Thanks for reminding me about that. Much love man.


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Re: Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro? [Re: Dirk_hoffmeister15]
    #26998851 - 10/22/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the response dude! Going to try combing all these tips together.


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Re: Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro? [Re: Dirk_hoffmeister15]
    #26998924 - 10/23/20 12:16 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, about "dose staggering" with Mescaline. Because Mescaline has such a slow come up, you can slowly ingest it over an hour or more. At high enough doses, you can have up to 24 hour trips. I find drinking it slowly acclimates the body and mind better for such a long experience.


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Re: Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26999015 - 10/23/20 01:57 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

a good ole ginger beer is rather soothing for the stomach. I usually sip on 1 of them during the come up.


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Re: Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro? [Re: Blazer420]
    #26999738 - 10/23/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Nice! Any brands you recommend? Next time I do the San Pedro tea, Im definitely trying some ginger beer.


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Re: Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro? [Re: Blazer420]
    #27073277 - 12/05/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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a good ole ginger beer is rather soothing for the stomach. I usually sip on 1 of them during the come up.




This, or fresh ginger. If you have a juicer at home, you could juice an apple with fresh ginger root and a few drops of lime.


As for the OP query, I strongly recommend extraction tek using 70% isopropyl alcohol. Or any other alcohol. Just stick to 70% concentration.


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Re: Best way to reduce nausea from san pedro? [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #27073309 - 12/05/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Have a look at my method. Just use isopropyl 70%

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21175108/fpart/1/vc/1


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