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First post! Shoebox\monotub FAE discussion for confused cultivator * 1
    #26980540 - 10/11/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hey Shroomers, Pretty new to cube cultivation. This post is about shoebox tek FAE, we'll get to that. Anyway, I did some Burma using BRF cakes a few months ago, had some success, not great, but did learn quite a bit, and since I have done a lot of research into cube cultivation using monotubs. Now I am confident I can do something a bit more challenging.

I plan to cultivate four different strains using four 12x16 shoebox sized monotubs. Right now I have eight 1 lb bags of rye berries purchased from a vendor. They were inoculated on Sept. 29th with four strains of cubes purchased from Sp&@$*^+is. Ecuador, Mazatapec, Burma, and PE-two bags of rye berries for each strain. All bags are showing signs of mycilial growth now. yea

When fully colonized I will spawn two bags of colonized grain spawn into each shoebox with 5 lbs of the bulk substrate also purchased from a vendor. Hope my calculations are correct, but I figure that the seven quarts of spawn/substrate plus casing for each shoebox should give me about three inches of colonized substrate for each shoebox (If anyone thinks this calculation off, please chime in).

Recently I outfitted each shoebox with FAE holes. For each shoebox there are four 1.5 inch holes just above where I think the substrate should be, and two holes at the top of the shoebox... they are tallish shoeboxes.

There are a lot of different opinions out there on FAE in monotubs/shoeboxes and I am dumbfounded as to how I should proceed once my shoeboxes are spawned. Some cultivators cover the holes with micropore until harvest, others use polyfill. Some don't use FAE holes at all but just crack the lid on the fruiting chamber. Others have the FAE holes, but do not cover them at all, or keep them covered with micropore until just before fruiting conditions. WTF?

So anyway, I am fishing for more opinions as to how I should proceed from here. I am leaning toward keeping the FAE holes covered with micropore until fruiting conditions then take it off, but I am open to all opinions and suggestions as to how I shall proceed when it gets to that point.

FYI. IF this cultivation is successful, my next cultivation project will be a 66 quart monotub with 6 one lb bags of grain spawn and 15 to 2o pounds of bulk substrate. I have read that this can give quite a nice yield, close to a pound!

I am extremely appreciative of all opinions and suggestions out there, thanks and peace to all


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Re: First post! Shoebox\monotub FAE discussion for confused cultivator [Re: Oort Cloud Weasel]
    #26980616 - 10/11/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Everyone on this website is going to have their own opinion on the best way to shroom. The truth is once you get the very basics down, there are many many ways to do it. Trial and error is all apart of the hobby and you need to develop your own technique that works best for YOU and your own unique conditions.

First off I would recommend being as DIY as possible. This mean learning how to make jars and to prepare your own grain. While a pressure cooker is highly recommended, you can get away with using a stock pot albeit with a higher contam rate. You should also learn agar as soon as possible if you want to get anywhere in this hobby. 

Sustainability is very important so you always want to have many projects going at the same time. When you use many jars, you don't have all of your eggs in one basket. Same goes for bulk substrate. I'd rather have a dozen shallow small tubs that fully colonize and canopy over one gigantic tub. This also means you should make lots and lots of spore prints. Like more then you know what to do with. Get to the point where you can have a smaller reliable harvest regularly before you go for the gigantic teks. You should be willing to give away prints without a second thought. 

As for FAE, you want to maintain a very high level of humidity while allowing your tubs to have a small amount of gas exchange. If you have many 1.5 inch diameter holes in your tub, that may be too much, but I can't say for sure unless I know your exact ambient conditions.

Keep doing research and don't stop reading. I recommend checking out all of RR's notes on mushroom cultivation. RR's lets grow mushrooms website. Bod's Easy AF teks. Shroomery holds a wealth of knowledge and once you figure out how to navigate this website, you will find an answer to almost any question you may have. I'm here if you have any more questions. Good Luck!


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Re: First post! Shoebox\monotub FAE discussion for confused cultivator [Re: Hikeadellic]
    #26980646 - 10/11/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

All great advice so thanks. Buying supplies from online stores because I am not outfitted to be independent right now. Have to work up to it. Also strongly agree with developing what works right with me. In that regard I am collecting as many opinions as I can and utilize what deems valuable until I find what works for me. Its a process I know. Anyway thanks for the input


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Re: First post! Shoebox\monotub FAE discussion for confused cultivator [Re: Oort Cloud Weasel]
    #26980653 - 10/11/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

What do you think you need to be outfitted? All you really need is a pot with a lid, boiling water, some glass jars, and a big bag of wild bird seed. All together should cost less then $50.

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Re: First post! Shoebox\monotub FAE discussion for confused cultivator [Re: Hikeadellic]
    #26980862 - 10/12/20 03:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Hikeadellic said:
What do you think you need to be outfitted? All you really need is a pot with a lid, boiling water, some glass jars, and a big bag of wild bird seed. All together should cost less then $50. :irishtoast:




Just cautious of attempting sterilization without a PC. Have read contam rate is higher without PC, but as I said, I am open to ideas. I have a big pot with a lid, bird food and jars. I know about WBS tek. So in your experience how long does it take to sterilize 3-4 one qt jars of wbs in boiling water?


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Re: First post! Shoebox\monotub FAE discussion for confused cultivator [Re: Oort Cloud Weasel]
    #26980911 - 10/12/20 06:06 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I would definitely not do grains without a pc.

No pour agar like pasty plates can be done with just a steam pot


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Re: First post! Shoebox\monotub FAE discussion for confused cultivator [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26980922 - 10/12/20 06:16 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I would definitely not do grains without a pc.




From what I have gathered pint jars with BRF tek is ok without PC, I did that myself without contams, but quart jars? Why mess around and waste time on something that would probably get contaminated. Guess i'm gonna have to buck up and buy a PC.


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Re: First post! Shoebox\monotub FAE discussion for confused cultivator [Re: Oort Cloud Weasel] * 1
    #26980943 - 10/12/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Shoeboxes are six quarts with low walls, do you have pictures of the one you’re using?


If it’s anywhere near normal shoebox sized you’re going to have way too much fae, four 1.5” holes per side is like open air fruiting.

Best part about shoeboxes is simplicity. Just snap the lid on or dub it and leave it alone. No mods.


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Re: First post! Shoebox\monotub FAE discussion for confused cultivator [Re: A.k.a]
    #26980967 - 10/12/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

OP... I edited your post to take out specific vendor names as it’s against the forum rules.  Just a heads up.

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Re: First post! Shoebox\monotub FAE discussion for confused cultivator [Re: Oort Cloud Weasel]
    #26981868 - 10/12/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

If you want to make grain jars with a pot this is a method. Prepare grain by rinsing with water until the water runs clear. Allow grains to soak in water with a few drops of coffee from used coffee grounds for 12-24 hours.

Simmer grains for about 10-15 mins. Dry grains until they pass the paper towel test. Fill clean jars with WBS. If you are inoculating with syringe fill up all the way or use a dry verm layer, if you are doing G2G or A2G fill about 3/4 or less so you can shake it later. Put lid with nail hole(s) on jar, then tin foil, then the outer ring. Place a rag or something on the bottom of the pot to keep the jars off of the bottom.

Fill with water so it comes up about 1/3 of the way up the jar. Place lid on pot. Optionally you can place a weight on top of the lid, be careful because if it totally blocks the steam the pot could explode under pressure. Cook on high for at least 2 hours.

You will probably need to re fill with water during this process. If the pot runs out of water, it will fuck everything up and smell really bad. Don't let the pot run out of water. Don't do this after a long night of drinking. If the pot runs out of water it will fuck everything up.

This method will work but you will technically have a higher contam rate. It is still a minimum of 50-75% success in my opinion so it can be a viable option for beginners. You should really invest in a PC ASAP, it makes the whole process much smoother.


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Re: First post! Shoebox\monotub FAE discussion for confused cultivator [Re: Oort Cloud Weasel]
    #26981935 - 10/12/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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tryptkaloids said:
I would definitely not do grains without a pc.




From what I have gathered pint jars with BRF tek is ok without PC, I did that myself without contams, but quart jars? Why mess around and waste time on something that would probably get contaminated. Guess i'm gonna have to buck up and buy a PC.



yes. boiling grains like the above poster suggested is not recommended. PC is the clear route to success.


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Re: First post! Shoebox\monotub FAE discussion for confused cultivator [Re: Hikeadellic]
    #26982273 - 10/12/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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If you want to make grain jars with a pot this is a method.



If you want to make grain jars you need a pressure cooker.

Sterilizing with a pot only works for BRF cakes (which can be used as spawn), and agar - although a PC is really recommended for agar.


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Re: First post! Shoebox\monotub FAE discussion for confused cultivator [Re: Rhizomorph]
    #26982369 - 10/12/20 08:37 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Pressure cookers are much better! Just wanted to share this option to folks who do not have access to a PC. It works but with a higher failure rate. WBS was used.


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Re: First post! Shoebox\monotub FAE discussion for confused cultivator [Re: Hikeadellic]
    #26983215 - 10/13/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I feel like to classify something as working, it should work the majority of the time, i.e. it should effectively sterilize your grains. A pot will not sterilize your grains. It will just kill enough contaminants that a small number of your jars will survive if you're lucky.

It won't produce consistent results either since between bags of grain, where you live, etc. many people's grain jars will have more or less resistant bacteria in them. For you it may work 50% of the time, whereas for others it may only work 5% of the time.

The nice thing about a pressure cooker is that if you do it properly it will work 100% of the time and newbs won't waste their time cultivating a pile of contaminated jars.

If you don't want to get a pressure cooker just use BRF cakes since they actually can be sterilized by a pot. Your method would only make sense if there were no better way to do it, but in this case there are many better ways.


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