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Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him.
    #26979813 - 10/11/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

This is one of those incidents where its like so should the guard have been arrested or not? The dude sprayed mace at him which violated his freedom to not be sprayed with mace. However mace is just an annoying irritant and could also have been avoided.

However I still support the guard I think. He defended his right and freedom to stand where ever he wants and his right to stand wherever he wants while also not being sprayed with mace.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/10/denver1011/


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: budmanman]
    #26979823 - 10/11/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

However without seeing a video there is potential he sprayed mace because the dude drew his gun first so who knows, anyone got a video of what happened?


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: budmanman]
    #26979826 - 10/11/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Tim Pool, running it down.



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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: HamHead]
    #26979853 - 10/11/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Kyngwhatt]
    #26979862 - 10/11/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

protester in the boonie hat was saying the same thing that child predator was saying to Rittenhouse before his death "Shoot me mother fucker"

I seriously don't know the facts but from the 3 minutes I've spent researching this case The guy with the gun appears to be defending himself and therefore his actions are just.

*edit My bad it may have been the security guard saying "shoot me mf"


Edited by Kyngwhatt (10/11/20 11:38 AM)


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: HamHead]
    #26979867 - 10/11/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Tim Pool, running it down.





Running it down i love how he prob just ruined that mat the alien guys business buy telling everyone he was the leftist murderer. Good thing he's in the hospital from a moutain bike crash so he can't get any the death threats.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Kyngwhatt]
    #26979871 - 10/11/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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protester in the boonie hat was saying the same thing that child predator was saying to Rittenhouse before his death "Shoot me mother fucker"

I seriously don't know the facts but from the 3 minutes I've spent researching this case The guy with the gun appears to be defending himself and therefore his actions are just.



I'm gonna bet this is almost the exact same scenario with 2 guns being found at the scene. Someone prob shot then this guy reacted and shot the man attacking with mace.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26980056 - 10/11/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm gonna bet this is almost the exact same scenario with 2 guns being found at the scene. Someone prob shot then this guy reacted and shot the man attacking with mace.






It appears there was only one gunshot, fired shortly after a can of mace began spraying. Like, less than a second, almost as if the man who sprayed the mace was doing so in self defense seeing a pistol being pointed at him.

Looks as if the man shot, backed away before spraying, while the shooter remains in place and appears to be drawing a gun.

Shooters name is Matthew Dolloff.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: budmanman]
    #26980060 - 10/11/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Shroomism] * 2
    #26980072 - 10/11/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Owning the Libs

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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: budmanman]
    #26980076 - 10/11/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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This is one of those incidents where its like so should the guard have been arrested or not? The dude sprayed mace at him which violated his freedom to not be sprayed with mace. However mace is just an annoying irritant and could also have been avoided.

However I still support the guard I think. He defended his right and freedom to stand where ever he wants and his right to stand wherever he wants while also not being sprayed with mace.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/10/denver1011/




No, you don't have the "freedom" to shoot someone dead because you get sprayed with mace. What does that have to do with standing where you want?  That makes no sense at all.

Private security is there to watch and observe, their job is to report unlawful activity to law enforcement.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: qman]
    #26980081 - 10/11/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: qman] * 4
    #26980138 - 10/11/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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budmanman said:
This is one of those incidents where its like so should the guard have been arrested or not? The dude sprayed mace at him which violated his freedom to not be sprayed with mace. However mace is just an annoying irritant and could also have been avoided.

However I still support the guard I think. He defended his right and freedom to stand where ever he wants and his right to stand wherever he wants while also not being sprayed with mace.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/10/denver1011/




No, you don't have the "freedom" to shoot someone dead because you get sprayed with mace. What does that have to do with standing where you want?  That makes no sense at all.

Private security is there to watch and observe, their job is to report unlawful activity to law enforcement.



I agree this guy is a murderer I don't have double standards for murder left or right. He didn't have the right to shoot someone dead over that. Condemning murder is important no matter who started it. Also I'm not going to make excuses that he got attacked first so it's justified. Kyle rittenhouse is a murderer and now this guy is.

To be honest I don't see it getting better if trump gets another 4 years. We see what it's like with him in office, people are killing each other over politics. There was a plan to overthrow the government, take civilian hostages and kill police and the president didn't say a word about it little alone condemn it. This is Trumps America, how are you liking it?


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26980148 - 10/11/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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This is one of those incidents where its like so should the guard have been arrested or not? The dude sprayed mace at him which violated his freedom to not be sprayed with mace. However mace is just an annoying irritant and could also have been avoided.

However I still support the guard I think. He defended his right and freedom to stand where ever he wants and his right to stand wherever he wants while also not being sprayed with mace.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/10/denver1011/



mace is an incapacitating agent. it puts you in a vulnurable state in which the risk death or serious injury from an attack can increase.

if the mace is unprovoked and out of nowhere there is no telling what the intentions of the macer were and no telling what he would do next.

the guard is justified in my view. but I'm not a court of law so we all just have to wait and see what happens.

all this is assuming the making was out of nowhere and inexplicable. hard to state my stance with so much information unavailable.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26980188 - 10/11/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Need to know with certainty, what led up to this.

My stance now is he is in the wrong for taking a kill shot. Hit to the leg would have served its purpose.

As far as security is there to observe and report, why do they have guns?
Not disagreeing nec, just dev av.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26980190 - 10/11/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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This is Trumps America, how are you liking it?




A majority of violence has been coming from mostly leftist groups.

I don't think Trump supporters burn down buildings.

Reports of ANTIFA/BLM using the cans donated during their soup drive as weapons, thrown at trump supports during this Denver protest.

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budmanman said:
This is one of those incidents where its like so should the guard have been arrested or not? The dude sprayed mace at him which violated his freedom to not be sprayed with mace. However mace is just an annoying irritant and could also have been avoided.

However I still support the guard I think. He defended his right and freedom to stand where ever he wants and his right to stand wherever he wants while also not being sprayed with mace.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/10/denver1011/



mace is an incapacitating agent. it puts you in a vulnurable state in which the risk death or serious injury from an attack can increase.

if the mace is unprovoked and out of nowhere there is no telling what the intentions of the macer were and no telling what he would do next.

the guard is justified in my view. but I'm not a court of law so we all just have to wait and see what happens.

all this is assuming the making was out of nowhere and inexplicable. hard to state my stance with so much information unavailable.




Victim took steps back as shooter reaches for pistol after being smacked for reaching for said mace can. Can of mace, non lethal, was used in self defense towards someone with a pistol, lethal weapon.

Shot was fired less than a second after can of mace began spraying, indicating shooter had pistol in hand and mace was sprayed in response to a pistol being drawn and/or beinf raised.


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: birdeatingspider] * 1
    #26980230 - 10/11/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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birdeatingspider said:
Need to know with certainty, what led up to this.

My stance now is he is in the wrong for taking a kill shot. Hit to the leg would have served its purpose.

As far as security is there to observe and report, why do they have guns?
Not disagreeing nec, just dev av.



1 legs are really hard to hit (and police, security and self defenders are at an inherent disadvantage already against attackers as they are the ones who have to react the the actions of the attacker)  they are small and move around in many ways. plenty of people die from leg shots and survive center mass shots.

a shot that is meant to wound and successfully does so without killing will likely not end a threat. even a shot that results in death eventually may not be enough to put someone out of the fight right away. Bullets aren't designed to incapacitate people like pepper spray or stun guns or something.

getting shot isn't like a movie. people can often still move around and continue fighting shortly after being shot. a non letbal gunshot wound could raise the stakes in that situation and carve into stone the fact that this is a fight to the death, which could escalate the situation and lead to an unpredictable reaction from the attacker. most people will flee or surrender because of the mental effect. they call it the FIBS factor. fudge I've been shot. and that can give you an advantage but its not all you need to defend yourself. physically, bullets are not very good at incapacitating someone who is still mentally in the fight compared to a tool designed to incapacitate.

there are many valid reasons why cops and nobody should ever shoot to wound. do some research on it for real because there are plenty of search results that will explain why its not a good idea.

I wouldn't even brandish a gun. of course that can be effective and end the situation with no injury to anyone but guns are made for killing, not intimidating and not injuring. my advice is dont go bringing them into situations where you aren't ready to kill because you dont know how someone will react to having a gun aimed at them. you might have to shoot them anyway or you might not get the chance.

if you feel your life is in danger and you have the opportunity to take out the threat, take out your gun and shoot to kill as fast and accurately as you can right from the draw. if you dont feel your life is in danger, dont pull out a gun at all. keep it away. don't brandish it, and definitely don't shoot anyone in the leg.

guns are lethal tools, period. they should never be treated as non lethal or less lethal.

If you beleive that he was not justified in using deadly force and you are correct then he was not legally justified in using a gun at all as guns are considered deadly force, legally.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26980271 - 10/11/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
Quote:

birdeatingspider said:
Need to know with certainty, what led up to this.

My stance now is he is in the wrong for taking a kill shot. Hit to the leg would have served its purpose.

As far as security is there to observe and report, why do they have guns?
Not disagreeing nec, just dev av.



1 legs are really hard to hit (and police, security and self defenders are at an inherent disadvantage already against attackers as they are the ones who have to react the the actions of the attacker)  they are small and move around in many ways. plenty of people die from leg shots and survive center mass shots.

a shot that is meant to wound and successfully does so without killing will likely not end a threat. even a shot that results in death eventually may not be enough to put someone out of the fight right away. Bullets aren't designed to incapacitate people like pepper spray or stun guns or something.

getting shot isn't like a movie. people can often still move around and continue fighting shortly after being shot. a non letbal gunshot wound could raise the stakes in that situation and carve into stone the fact that this is a fight to the death, which could escalate the situation and lead to an unpredictable reaction from the attacker. most people will flee or surrender because of the mental effect. they call it the FIBS factor. fudge I've been shot. and that can give you an advantage but its not all you need to defend yourself. physically, bullets are not very good at incapacitating someone who is still mentally in the fight compared to a tool designed to incapacitate.

there are many valid reasons why cops and nobody should ever shoot to wound. do some research on it for real because there are plenty of search results that will explain why its not a good idea.

I wouldn't even brandish a gun. of course that can be effective and end the situation with no injury to anyone but guns are made for killing, not intimidating and not injuring. my advice is dont go bringing them into situations where you aren't ready to kill because you dont know how someone will react to having a gun aimed at them. you might have to shoot them anyway or you might not get the chance.

if you feel your life is in danger and you have the opportunity to take out the threat, take out your gun and shoot to kill as fast and accurately as you can right from the draw. if you dont feel your life is in danger, dont pull out a gun at all. keep it away. don't brandish it, and definitely don't shoot anyone in the leg.

guns are lethal tools, period. they should never be treated as non lethal or less lethal.

If you beleive that he was not justified in using deadly force and you are correct then he was not legally justified in using a gun at all as guns are considered deadly force, legally.




:pleasetellmemore:

"Bullets aren't designed to incapacitate people like pepper spray or stun guns or something."

They're designed to do more than incapacitate people, hence this mans dead body after a head shot.

His pepper spray didn't even effect the shooter, there wasn't enough time.

Edit.

Jay Danielson wasn't standing too long after taking two to his chest.


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: HamHead] * 4
    #26980287 - 10/11/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Why people participate in these events baffles me..  both extremes on each side of the political spectrum have shown they are fueled by little more than hate and stupid ideas.  As I heard someone else say in another thread, play stupid games win stupid prizes..  it's just too bad when completely innocent people are hurt or targeted, both emotionally and physically, by extremists.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26980329 - 10/11/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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HamHead said:
Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
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birdeatingspider said:
Need to know with certainty, what led up to this.

My stance now is he is in the wrong for taking a kill shot. Hit to the leg would have served its purpose.

As far as security is there to observe and report, why do they have guns?
Not disagreeing nec, just dev av.



1 legs are really hard to hit (and police, security and self defenders are at an inherent disadvantage already against attackers as they are the ones who have to react the the actions of the attacker)  they are small and move around in many ways. plenty of people die from leg shots and survive center mass shots.

a shot that is meant to wound and successfully does so without killing will likely not end a threat. even a shot that results in death eventually may not be enough to put someone out of the fight right away. Bullets aren't designed to incapacitate people like pepper spray or stun guns or something.

getting shot isn't like a movie. people can often still move around and continue fighting shortly after being shot. a non letbal gunshot wound could raise the stakes in that situation and carve into stone the fact that this is a fight to the death, which could escalate the situation and lead to an unpredictable reaction from the attacker. most people will flee or surrender because of the mental effect. they call it the FIBS factor. fudge I've been shot. and that can give you an advantage but its not all you need to defend yourself. physically, bullets are not very good at incapacitating someone who is still mentally in the fight compared to a tool designed to incapacitate.

there are many valid reasons why cops and nobody should ever shoot to wound. do some research on it for real because there are plenty of search results that will explain why its not a good idea.

I wouldn't even brandish a gun. of course that can be effective and end the situation with no injury to anyone but guns are made for killing, not intimidating and not injuring. my advice is dont go bringing them into situations where you aren't ready to kill because you dont know how someone will react to having a gun aimed at them. you might have to shoot them anyway or you might not get the chance.

if you feel your life is in danger and you have the opportunity to take out the threat, take out your gun and shoot to kill as fast and accurately as you can right from the draw. if you dont feel your life is in danger, dont pull out a gun at all. keep it away. don't brandish it, and definitely don't shoot anyone in the leg.

guns are lethal tools, period. they should never be treated as non lethal or less lethal.

If you beleive that he was not justified in using deadly force and you are correct then he was not legally justified in using a gun at all as guns are considered deadly force, legally.




:pleasetellmemore:

"Bullets aren't designed to incapacitate people like pepper spray or stun guns or something."

They're designed to do more than incapacitate people, hence this mans dead body after a head shot.

His pepper spray didn't even effect the shooter, there wasn't enough time.



yeah they are designed to kill. if you intentionally don't kill someone There is a good chance it won't put them down.

you may even not put them down and end up still killing them eventually. it doesnt always work like most people picture it.

you shouldnt shoot to wound.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: HamHead]
    #26980384 - 10/11/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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HamHead said:
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Seriously_trippin said:
This is Trumps America, how are you liking it?




A majority of violence has been coming from mostly leftist groups.

I don't think Trump supporters burn down buildings.

Reports of ANTIFA/BLM using the cans donated during their soup drive as weapons, thrown at trump supports during



ANTIFA and some blm members not all have been in violent protests and have their share of the blame but one doesnt justifies the others violence just because there's left wing extremist. One of the problems is that in cases like Kyle Rittenhouse you don't see that violence from Trump supporters you saw it as self-defense. Right-wing terrorist militia group planned to kidnap and kill the governor, overthrow the government, kill police, blow up bridges, burn buildings and take hostages and you have people like lowbrow that justify that kind of terrorism also. So what we are seeing is more and more far right wing groups that have organized plots of terrorism and the president and most far right supporters have barely ever mentioned the real problem of actual terrorists instead of criminals who do bad things in the name of ANTIFA or BLM without actually being organized by them.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26980428 - 10/11/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)



Did Kyle ever claim to be a Trump supporter? Link?

One thing I have noticed is, cops don't have many problems at Trump rallies. They just stand around and watch.

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Can't really say the same for what many have been witnessing for 130+ days now.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: HamHead]
    #26980628 - 10/11/20 09:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

There's many pictures and videos of him f4ont row at a rally and he tik toked it

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kenosha-protest-shooting-suspect-kyle-rittenhouse-stood-front-row-at-iowa-trump-rally-in-january

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/kenosha-suspect-kyle-rittenhouse-trump-rally

He heard the rhetoric that these riots were destroying America and that if the police weren't going to do anything someone else should which led to his actions


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    #26980639 - 10/11/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

"His connections to law enforcement, however, go beyond his vocal support of police on social media. In a statement to BuzzFeed News on Wednesday, the Grayslake Police Department confirmed that Rittenhouse was a former member of the Lindenhurst, Grayslake, Hainesville Police Department's Public Safety Cadet Program."

"Rittenhouse was also a fire protection cadet with the Antioch Fire Department. Its chief, Jon Cokefair, confirmed Rittenhouse was part of the program, which he said has been discontinued since March due to COVID-19. The program, taught by firefighters, introduces high school students to a career in firefighting. “Our weapons are axes and fire hoses. We don’t have any kind of firearms training or anything,” said Cokefair, who declined to comment on Rittenhouse’s charges."

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IMO, seems like a kid wanting to help his community. Police/fire cadet looking to murder people doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me.


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Guy had just as much reason to shoot as Rittenhouse did.


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    #26980655 - 10/11/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Guy had just as much reason to shoot as Rittenhouse did.




This is arguably, as it is clear the victim takes steps back before being fired upon. Shooter had plenty of space and time to not shoot dude in the face.

Kyle had people going after him, closing distance, attacking with skateboard and boot and potentially a pistol.

This victim was first targeted for his mace and slapped shooter away for attempting to take it from victim.

Mace was used in response to a pistol being drawn, in self defense.

Dude should have been vetted before being hired as security for a political 'event' having biases of his own, clearly leftist.


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    #26980672 - 10/11/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
Guy had just as much reason to shoot as Rittenhouse did.




This is arguably, as it is clear the victim takes steps back before being fired upon. Shooter had plenty of space and time to not shoot dude in the face.

Kyle had people going after him, closing distance, attacking with skateboard and boot and potentially a pistol.

This victim was first targeted for his mace and slapped shooter away for attempting to take it from victim.

Mace was used in response to a pistol being drawn, in self defense.

Dude should have been vetted before being hired as security for a political 'event' having biases of his own, clearly leftist.




Maybe. Either way, I'm having a hard time seeing justifiable homicide in this one.

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    #26980691 - 10/11/20 10:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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"His connections to law enforcement, however, go beyond his vocal support of police on social media. In a statement to BuzzFeed News on Wednesday, the Grayslake Police Department confirmed that Rittenhouse was a former member of the Lindenhurst, Grayslake, Hainesville Police Department's Public Safety Cadet Program."

"Rittenhouse was also a fire protection cadet with the Antioch Fire Department. Its chief, Jon Cokefair, confirmed Rittenhouse was part of the program, which he said has been discontinued since March due to COVID-19. The program, taught by firefighters, introduces high school students to a career in firefighting. “Our weapons are axes and fire hoses. We don’t have any kind of firearms training or anything,” said Cokefair, who declined to comment on Rittenhouse’s charges."

Edit.

IMO, seems like a kid wanting to help his community. Police/fire cadet looking to murder people doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me.



Yes he is a good example of an impressionable kid that started with good intentions and ended in murder because of hearing rhetoric that led him to believe being a vigilante protector of businesses with a rifle was acceptable  He was looking to help the community but the way that was presented to him to do that was to be a vigilante protecting businesses with his rifle ultimately shooting people to do so. He wasn't going to go to an active riot and have everyone just stop what they're doing so at that point he felt He had to "protect" by shooting someone with the rifle he brought. You don't bring a shovel unless you're ready to dig and that's even more true with guns. Everyone that grows up with guns knows if you're wielding a gun you better be ready to use it.

  He brought the rifle for a reason and hated the rioters for a reason.Think logically he said very clear he was going to defend the businesses with his gun, he certainly didn't intend to throw it at them, he brought it to shoot people destroying businesses and he did.   

Also I was answering your question whether he was a Trump supporter and followed the rhetoric he did, thought he would bring law and order with a gun. That's vigilante murder though not law and order.  We've had full threads of back and forth about this but the overarching point is if you think the majority of all violent politically based criminal acts come from the "Radical leftist" you're just willfully ignoring the radical far rights amping up of terrorist acts recently that are at times a much bigger threat then any antifa or BLM twerp that's happened so far.


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    #26980722 - 10/11/20 11:21 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah man after someone gets shot they have like twenty seconds to do anything possible to kill you unless like other poster says you really just demolish the fool


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    #26980855 - 10/12/20 03:41 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

In most states, you can't meet force (mace) with deadly force (bullets).
Force and deadly force are very plainly differentiated and defined in law. The shooter is likely fucked.


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    #26980876 - 10/12/20 04:37 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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"His connections to law enforcement, however, go beyond his vocal support of police on social media. In a statement to BuzzFeed News on Wednesday, the Grayslake Police Department confirmed that Rittenhouse was a former member of the Lindenhurst, Grayslake, Hainesville Police Department's Public Safety Cadet Program."

"Rittenhouse was also a fire protection cadet with the Antioch Fire Department. Its chief, Jon Cokefair, confirmed Rittenhouse was part of the program, which he said has been discontinued since March due to COVID-19. The program, taught by firefighters, introduces high school students to a career in firefighting. “Our weapons are axes and fire hoses. We don’t have any kind of firearms training or anything,” said Cokefair, who declined to comment on Rittenhouse’s charges."

Edit.

IMO, seems like a kid wanting to help his community. Police/fire cadet looking to murder people doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me.



Yes he is a good example of an impressionable kid that started with good intentions and ended in murder because of hearing rhetoric that led him to believe being a vigilante protector of businesses with a rifle was acceptable  He was looking to help the community but the way that was presented to him to do that was to be a vigilante protecting businesses with his rifle ultimately shooting people to do so. He wasn't going to go to an active riot and have everyone just stop what they're doing so at that point he felt He had to "protect" by shooting someone with the rifle he brought. You don't bring a shovel unless you're ready to dig and that's even more true with guns. Everyone that grows up with guns knows if you're wielding a gun you better be ready to use it.

  He brought the rifle for a reason and hated the rioters for a reason.Think logically he said very clear he was going to defend the businesses with his gun, he certainly didn't intend to throw it at them, he brought it to shoot people destroying businesses and he did.   

Also I was answering your question whether he was a Trump supporter and followed the rhetoric he did, thought he would bring law and order with a gun. That's vigilante murder though not law and order.  We've had full threads of back and forth about this but the overarching point is if you think the majority of all violent politically based criminal acts come from the "Radical leftist" you're just willfully ignoring the radical far rights amping up of terrorist acts recently that are at times a much bigger threat then any antifa or BLM twerp that's happened so far.




You make it sound like people were coming at the business he was protecting and shooting at those threatening the business, when he was being chased down and shot in self defense when people were coming at him, threatening his life.

I bet if no one was aggressive towards Kyle, he wouldn't have had any need or reason to shoot anyone.

Also, kyle was fleeing, meaning he was probably no longer near that business he was protecting, making it more a case of self defense when people are attacking him and not a business.

Can you give me links to these far right events?

Because what I have been seeing is mainly left wing groups of BLM/ANTIFA which are inciting violence.


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    #26980893 - 10/12/20 05:22 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Guy had just as much reason to shoot as Rittenhouse did.




This is arguably, as it is clear the victim takes steps back before being fired upon. Shooter had plenty of space and time to not shoot dude in the face.

Kyle had people going after him, closing distance, attacking with skateboard and boot and potentially a pistol.

This victim was first targeted for his mace and slapped shooter away for attempting to take it from victim.

Mace was used in response to a pistol being drawn, in self defense.

Dude should have been vetted before being hired as security for a political 'event' having biases of his own, clearly leftist.




If I'm about to mace someone, I'd probably take a few steps back too, so I didn't get any on me.

Dude brought mace to a gun fight.

Bottom line, neither one of those hotheaded people should have been where they were, doing what they were doing. They were BOTH looking for confrontation, one was just better prepared.

Everyone needs to shut the fuck up about their opinion online, and that includes me.  What is it about just needing to put your two cents in, like THAT'S gonna make the difference.

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    #26980912 - 10/12/20 06:07 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

HamHead said:
Quote:

Baby_Hitler said:
Guy had just as much reason to shoot as Rittenhouse did.




This is arguably, as it is clear the victim takes steps back before being fired upon. Shooter had plenty of space and time to not shoot dude in the face.

Kyle had people going after him, closing distance, attacking with skateboard and boot and potentially a pistol.

This victim was first targeted for his mace and slapped shooter away for attempting to take it from victim.

Mace was used in response to a pistol being drawn, in self defense.

Dude should have been vetted before being hired as security for a political 'event' having biases of his own, clearly leftist.




If I'm about to mace someone, I'd probably take a few steps back too, so I didn't get any on me.

Dude brought mace to a gun fight.

Bottom line, neither one of those hotheaded people should have been where they were, doing what they were doing. They were BOTH looking for confrontation, one was just better prepared.

Everyone needs to shut the fuck up about their opinion online, and that includes me.  What is it about just needing to put your two cents in, like THAT'S gonna make the difference.

We're weird, man.




Guy brought mace to a PEACEFUL PROTEST, ffs. That security guard should have been better vetted. Seems like he was the one with a hot trigger finger, seeing how long his pistol was drawn before firing.

It was said that the right wing were leaving and left wing were following and provoking them as they were leaving.

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It was said, was it? :blah::liar:


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    #26980935 - 10/12/20 06:41 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Guy brought mace to a PEACEFUL PROTEST, ffs.




Right, because a bunch of radicalized left wing nutjobs having a protest right next to a bunch of yee-haw assholes hopped up on freedom and mountain dew has absolutely no chance of becoming violent. :rolleyes:

The only thing that surprises me is that the shooting wasn't the other way around. But I guess it doesn't matter, either way. Just gonna keep stretching that divide!


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    #26981060 - 10/12/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

This is  ALL orchestrated. Left and right.....makes it too easy to pit people against each other which in turn makes it easy for them to be controlled.


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Do u really belive its some conspiracy or do u think its just you people being assholes to one another. Shits all fun and games tho right. People should be fucking ashamed of yourselves.


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WTF do you mean by "you people" are you not a people? Did you ascend to the Level Beyond Human, or something?


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Do u really belive its some conspiracy or do u think its just you people being assholes to one another. Shits all fun and games tho right. People should be fucking ashamed of yourselves.



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    #26981282 - 10/12/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Guy brought mace to a PEACEFUL PROTEST, ffs.




Right, because a bunch of radicalized left wing nutjobs having a protest right next to a bunch of yee-haw assholes hopped up on freedom and mountain dew has absolutely no chance of becoming violent. :rolleyes:

The only thing that surprises me is that the shooting wasn't the other way around. But I guess it doesn't matter, either way. Just gonna keep stretching that divide!




Apparently the guy who was shot was also armed. He brought a gun to a gun fight but decided to go with the pepper spray.

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    #26981286 - 10/12/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Guy brought mace to a PEACEFUL PROTEST, ffs.




Right, because a bunch of radicalized left wing nutjobs having a protest right next to a bunch of yee-haw assholes hopped up on freedom and mountain dew has absolutely no chance of becoming violent. :rolleyes:

The only thing that surprises me is that the shooting wasn't the other way around. But I guess it doesn't matter, either way. Just gonna keep stretching that divide!




Apparently the guy who was shot was also armed. He brought a gun to a gun fight but decided to go with the pepper spray.

America is such a dumb country




I don't know if that's better or worse. I'm guessing he just thought it wouldn't go that far. Surprise! It's America!


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    #26981329 - 10/12/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The shooter is very vocally anti trump and pro antifa. Channel9 news might as well be antifa. This guy even has an antifa tattoo. Both sides are extremists and I dont agree with any of them.


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    #26981411 - 10/12/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I pretty much agree with what everyone has already said in this thread. Actually, this thread is a surprisingly good discussion of what happened IMO.


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    #26981424 - 10/12/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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The shooter is very vocally anti trump and pro antifa. Channel9 news might as well be antifa. This guy even has an antifa tattoo. Both sides are extremists and I dont agree with any of them.



Antifa tattoo? Lol


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: koods]
    #26981581 - 10/12/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I saw that. He has a moonanites tattoo from Aqua Teen Hunger Force and apparently it was used on the internet once with anti fascist a cute anti racist quote around it (laid out in a different manner than on the shooters wrist).  It is too hard to tell what the words are under the moonanite in the photo.  It's all speculation

Yes the dude hates trump supporters and that probably played into his quick trigger finger. but to me that looks like a simple moonanites tattoo on his wrist

Edit: the "antifa" thing that people think is on his wrist says "space invaders against racism".  Lol I'm not sure that qualifies someone as antifa.

People are watching too many YouTube videos and spending too much time on "Freedom" sites. They're convincing themselves everything is true as long as someone with 1 million subscribers says it.


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    #26981996 - 10/12/20 05:37 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: koods]
    #26982000 - 10/12/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yah guy had space invader tattoo which i guess is some kinda antfa symbol but it seems like from the other video the tattoo is of a dj label/electronic music promoter from Colorado sub.mission called mat the alien who is not the shooter but some obscure dj who recently was in a moutain biking accident.


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    #26982012 - 10/12/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Clearly video games made him violent

The desperation to link everything to antifa is hilarious.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26982014 - 10/12/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The space invader tattoo is not an antifa symbol, look into it.  It's all a bunch of made up gossip from Twitter that's repeated by people who believe what they're told by these troll social media accounts.  The person they claim it originated forms doesn't even exist as far as I can tell from google searches and stuff.  Rosa Antifa wein lol who tf is that?


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: koods]
    #26982016 - 10/12/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Is it me, or is the victims right sunglass lens broken?

Was he shot in his eye? Oh my.

Can see the distance victim steps back by shadowns/fence post, also showing shooter not moving much, especially in that shot catching the casing being ejected.

Compared to pic of the slap, where victim is closer to the fence post and shooter standing over shadow.

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Yah guy had space invader tattoo which i guess is some kinda antfa symbol but it seems like from the other video the tattoo is of a dj label/electronic music promoter from Colorado sub.mission called mat the alien who is not the shooter but some obscure dj who recently was in a moutain biking accident.




:whathesaid:

Tim Pool had a high rez pic of said tat, could read "sub.mission" underneath. Edit. Perhaps not entirely sub.mission, but could make out sub.


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    #26982019 - 10/12/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

thats far from conclusive evidence of anything.

this strikes me as a right winged version of the left winged mischaracterization of the ball game/ ok sign. i think i heard someone say cuck was a white supremasist slur too. let's not stoop to that level. its a flicking spa e invader that's all we know.

don't be lame guys. just wait until the facts come out. idk why anyone is even commenting on this yet has there been a bunch of verified evidence released that im not aware of?

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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26982027 - 10/12/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I just want to add a fair perspective to the conversation and some people make it so difficult ..! Lol



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    #26982044 - 10/12/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I just want to add a fair perspective to the conversation and some people make it so difficult ..! Lol




I agree that it's more likely a tat representing sub.mission and/or mat the alien rather than being affiliated with antifa.

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Like others have said, more evidence on the tat is needed.

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    #26982046 - 10/12/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yes he was shot in the eye.


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    #26982052 - 10/12/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Damn, that's fucked up :frown: why did that dude have a gun on him as a security guard?  That's just odd to me tbh, like asking for something bad to happen.  Leave the guns for the cops at that point.

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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: koods]
    #26982057 - 10/12/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

just quit it with the tattoo. if you're right its going to come out and you'll be right regardless but you will be certain.

if you're wrong you're going to look silly and start backpeddling and embarrasing yourself.

in any case you should care about the truth whatever it ends up being.

why promote a narriative based on speculation or anything other than verifiable fact for that matter?


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    #26982058 - 10/12/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Are the tattoos even relevant? the way it looks to me ( with the current evidence) is the old guy assaulted space invader, space invader drew his weapon  , the old guy sprayed his shit and space invader defended himself. I bet if you were to attempt to blind anyone with a gun they would try to kill you before they lost their sight because they would be concerned about you taking their weapon and using it on them while they were blinded.
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    #26982060 - 10/12/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The police investigated and said unequivocally that this man was hired by a news crew to do security and has NO ties to ANTIFA. It's just convenient to call him ANTIFA because of right wing violence ramping up.



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    #26982064 - 10/12/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Damn, that's fucked up :frown: why did that dude have a gun on him as a security guard?  That's just odd to me tbh, like asking for something bad to happen.  Leave the guns for the cops at that point.

Simple security is not a profession to be carrying around lethal weapons.




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    #26982066 - 10/12/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It's just a sad waste of life from all angles man... these protests seem to be happening just because people want stuff to pop off now.  It's not for progress.

And koods I do get that but guns are clearly causing more problems than they solve at these events


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    #26982067 - 10/12/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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just quit it with the tattoo. if you're right its going to come out and you'll be right regardless but you will be certain.

if you're wrong you're going to look silly and start backpeddling and embarrasing yourself.

in any case you should care about the truth whatever it ends up being.

why promote a narriative based on speculation or anything other than verifiable fact for that matter?




Why do I have to quit with the tattoo? I’m not the one making baseless claims about a space invader tatoo.

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    #26982071 - 10/12/20 06:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm just waiting for someone to unload an AR at one of these events because tensions are too high and something spooks someone.  It's awful man.  These events prove nothing and just lead to deaths, division, and a really long line at Mickey Ds / the vegan food truck


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    #26982075 - 10/12/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Are the tattoos even relevant? the way it looks to me ( with the current evidence) is the old guy assaulted space invader, space invader drew his weapon  , the old guy sprayed his shit and space invader defended himself. I bet if you were to attempt to blind anyone with a gun they would try to kill you before they lost their sight because they would be concerned about you taking their weapon and using it on them while they were blinded.
As a right leaning guy i'm siding with the space invader regardless of gang affiliations and video game preferences.




Looks like space invaders was reaching for old mans can of mace and got smacked. Space invaders got butthurt, drew his weapon, old man responds to weapon being drawn by spraying mace while space invaders draws and shoots with little thought in between.

Space invaders wanted to kill old man after being smacked, IMO.


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    #26982079 - 10/12/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds like a really biased opinion

Looks like two men who couldn't walk away and one ended up winning cuz they shot first out of fear for their life


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    #26982085 - 10/12/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Are the tattoos even relevant? the way it looks to me ( with the current evidence) is the old guy assaulted space invader, space invader drew his weapon  , the old guy sprayed his shit and space invader defended himself. I bet if you were to attempt to blind anyone with a gun they would try to kill you before they lost their sight because they would be concerned about you taking their weapon and using it on them while they were blinded.
As a right leaning guy i'm siding with the space invader regardless of gang affiliations and video game preferences.



assuming the old guy was the first to use violence I agree with you. but I'm waiting until we know for sure.


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    #26982087 - 10/12/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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one ended up winning cuz they shot first out of fear for their life




From a can of mace?

:whateveryousayfreak:

I bet if space invaders wasn't concealing his weapon, old man would have thought twice about laying his smack down having seen a pistol on hip.


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    #26982092 - 10/12/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The patriot prayer guy was armed too, right? Smacked him, maced him, who knows what the verbal exchange was.. maybe some threats from him and some flashes of his own handgun too if those actions say anything.

that seems like it could definitely be a stand your ground situation. Last "smack down" he will ever lay on someone eh?


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    #26982093 - 10/12/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I’d be pretty scared if a grown walked up to me and slapped/maced me, and I’m a grown man


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    #26982094 - 10/12/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Looks like space invaders was reaching for old mans can of mace and got smacked. S



hmmm. i did overlook that arm reaching for the can while he was getting smacked

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assuming the old guy was the first to use violence I agree with you. but I'm waiting until we know for sure.



its hard to say but he was def starting problems with another guy 20 seconds before he was shot.


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    #26982104 - 10/12/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Are the tattoos even relevant? the way it looks to me ( with the current evidence) is the old guy assaulted space invader, space invader drew his weapon  , the old guy sprayed his shit and space invader defended himself. I bet if you were to attempt to blind anyone with a gun they would try to kill you before they lost their sight because they would be concerned about you taking their weapon and using it on them while they were blinded.
As a right leaning guy i'm siding with the space invader regardless of gang affiliations and video game preferences.




As a left leaning guy I'm thinking that if you shot someone because you felt you were in danger because someone might take your gun which you chose to bring into a sketchy situation then it's your fault.


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Looks like space invaders was reaching for old mans can of mace and got smacked. S



hmmm. i did overlook that arm reaching for the can while he was getting smacked

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assuming the old guy was the first to use violence I agree with you. but I'm waiting until we know for sure.



its hard to say but he was def starting problems with another guy 20 seconds before he was shot.





The guy was starting problems with him, is known for attending events and provoking right wing-ers.

Could be seen in another video saying some mean shit about the guy that just got shot.

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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Kyngwhatt]
    #26982111 - 10/12/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Looks like space invaders was reaching for old mans can of mace and got smacked. S



hmmm. i did overlook that arm reaching for the can while he was getting smacked

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assuming the old guy was the first to use violence I agree with you. but I'm waiting until we know for sure.



its hard to say but he was def starting problems with another guy 20 seconds before he was shot.




why settle for speculation now when we will surely have the facts any day now?

thats the way I see it.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Kyngwhatt]
    #26982127 - 10/12/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Looks like space invaders was reaching for old mans can of mace and got smacked. S



hmmm. i did overlook that arm reaching for the can while he was getting smacked

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assuming the old guy was the first to use violence I agree with you. but I'm waiting until we know for sure.



its hard to say but he was def starting problems with another guy 20 seconds before he was shot.






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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Kyngwhatt] * 2
    #26982135 - 10/12/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

When are Americans going to learn that weapons at protests don't bring security, they just increase the risk of injury or death? Leave your guns and pepper spray at home. Fuck just stay home. Both sides have gone full retard now.

I have bear spray, it's because I camp in bear country, you can't use it for self defense in Canada against humans. Discharging it at public gathering would result in arrest and serious charges. Whatever happened to good old rumbles? Some fisticuffs? Everyone is a pussy now and hides behind weapons. UK football riots are better they just got drunk and beat each other up. I saw footage of a riot in Korea once and they have compulsory military service there where you study Tae Kwando for 3 years so the whole riot was all people who could fight, it was awesome.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26982138 - 10/12/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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As a left leaning guy I'm thinking that if you shot someone because you felt you were in danger because someone might take your gun which you chose to bring into a sketchy situation then it's your fault.



That's a completely reasonable point of view. 
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why settle for speculation now when we will surely have the facts any day now?

thats the way I see it.



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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: viraldrome]
    #26982147 - 10/12/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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viraldrome said:
When are Americans going to learn that weapons at protests don't bring security, they just increase the risk of injury or death? Leave your guns and pepper spray at home. Fuck just stay home. Both sides have gone full retard now.

I have bear spray, it's because I camp in bear country, you can't use it for self defense in Canada against humans. Discharging it at public gathering would result in arrest and serious charges. Whatever happened to good old rumbles? Some fisticuffs? Everyone is a pussy now and hides behind weapons. UK football riots are better they just got drunk and beat each other up. I saw footage of a riot in Korea once and they have compulsory military service there where you study Tae Kwando for 3 years so the whole riot was all people who could fight, it was awesome.




Does bear spray even work on people? Pepper spray doesn’t work on bears. Something to do with capsaicin sensitivity iirc


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: viraldrome]
    #26982170 - 10/12/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Whatever happened to good old rumbles? Some fisticuffs? Everyone is a pussy now and hides behind weapons. UK football riots are better they just got drunk and beat each other up. I saw footage of a riot in Korea once and they have compulsory military service there where you study Tae Kwando for 3 years so the whole riot was all people who could fight, it was awesome.



My feelings exactly.

Going to an event where there's a possibility of trouble armed to the teeth with projectile firing weapons is:

A. A recipe for disaster
B. Cowardly
C. No fun

The gang I used to hang around with on the streets of London as a teenager used to look up to and emulate the football hooligans of the day. We would regularly meet with the neighboring gangs in big car parks and have a good old punch up. People got hurt of course, but never badly. And it was FUN!! God those days were a fucking rush. Over here in the states though lives get lost so regularly, and that is not fun at all, IMO.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26982386 - 10/12/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah I saw that. He has a moonanites tattoo from Aqua Teen Hunger Force




No. That’s space invaders.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: lowbrow]
    #26982397 - 10/12/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Well im on the fence on this one.  Shooter guy obviously has some sort of affiliation with ANTIFA but that’s unimportant.  I think I’ll just wait for the jury’s decision on this one.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: lowbrow]
    #26982427 - 10/12/20 09:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah I saw that. He has a moonanites tattoo from Aqua Teen Hunger Force




No. That’s space invaders.




Oh whoops, you're right it is that video game. Similar looking character.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: koods]
    #26982549 - 10/12/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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just quit it with the tattoo. if you're right its going to come out and you'll be right regardless but you will be certain.

if you're wrong you're going to look silly and start backpeddling and embarrasing yourself.

in any case you should care about the truth whatever it ends up being.

why promote a narriative based on speculation or anything other than verifiable fact for that matter?




Why do I have to quit with the tattoo? I’m not the one making baseless claims about a space invader tatoo.

As Freud said, sometimes a space invader is just a space invader



I didnt mean you, koods. I lazily quick replied.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26982559 - 10/12/20 10:51 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

So what ended up happening with this? Does anyone know what happened? Who shot first mace windu or space invader?


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    #26982576 - 10/12/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

all things aside....this guy was with pinkerton!


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    #26982713 - 10/13/20 01:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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So what ended up happening with this? Does anyone know what happened? Who shot first mace windu or space invader?




Erryboddy knows Han shot first.


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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26989975 - 10/17/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)



Matthew Dolloff will be charged for second degree murder.


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