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Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him.
#26979813 - 10/11/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is one of those incidents where its like so should the guard have been arrested or not? The dude sprayed mace at him which violated his freedom to not be sprayed with mace. However mace is just an annoying irritant and could also have been avoided.
However I still support the guard I think. He defended his right and freedom to stand where ever he wants and his right to stand wherever he wants while also not being sprayed with mace.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/10/denver1011/
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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: budmanman]
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However without seeing a video there is potential he sprayed mace because the dude drew his gun first so who knows, anyone got a video of what happened?
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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: budmanman]
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Tim Pool, running it down.
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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: HamHead]
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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Kyngwhatt]
#26979862 - 10/11/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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protester in the boonie hat was saying the same thing that child predator was saying to Rittenhouse before his death "Shoot me mother fucker"
I seriously don't know the facts but from the 3 minutes I've spent researching this case The guy with the gun appears to be defending himself and therefore his actions are just.
*edit My bad it may have been the security guard saying "shoot me mf"
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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: HamHead]
#26979867 - 10/11/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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HamHead said: Tim Pool, running it down.
Running it down i love how he prob just ruined that mat the alien guys business buy telling everyone he was the leftist murderer. Good thing he's in the hospital from a moutain bike crash so he can't get any the death threats.
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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: Kyngwhatt]
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Kyngwhatt said: protester in the boonie hat was saying the same thing that child predator was saying to Rittenhouse before his death "Shoot me mother fucker"
I seriously don't know the facts but from the 3 minutes I've spent researching this case The guy with the gun appears to be defending himself and therefore his actions are just.
I'm gonna bet this is almost the exact same scenario with 2 guns being found at the scene. Someone prob shot then this guy reacted and shot the man attacking with mace.
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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: I'm gonna bet this is almost the exact same scenario with 2 guns being found at the scene. Someone prob shot then this guy reacted and shot the man attacking with mace.
It appears there was only one gunshot, fired shortly after a can of mace began spraying. Like, less than a second, almost as if the man who sprayed the mace was doing so in self defense seeing a pistol being pointed at him.
Looks as if the man shot, backed away before spraying, while the shooter remains in place and appears to be drawing a gun.
Shooters name is Matthew Dolloff.
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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: budmanman]
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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: budmanman]
#26980076 - 10/11/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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budmanman said: This is one of those incidents where its like so should the guard have been arrested or not? The dude sprayed mace at him which violated his freedom to not be sprayed with mace. However mace is just an annoying irritant and could also have been avoided.
However I still support the guard I think. He defended his right and freedom to stand where ever he wants and his right to stand wherever he wants while also not being sprayed with mace.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/10/denver1011/
No, you don't have the "freedom" to shoot someone dead because you get sprayed with mace. What does that have to do with standing where you want? That makes no sense at all.
Private security is there to watch and observe, their job is to report unlawful activity to law enforcement.
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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: qman]
#26980081 - 10/11/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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budmanman said: This is one of those incidents where its like so should the guard have been arrested or not? The dude sprayed mace at him which violated his freedom to not be sprayed with mace. However mace is just an annoying irritant and could also have been avoided.
However I still support the guard I think. He defended his right and freedom to stand where ever he wants and his right to stand wherever he wants while also not being sprayed with mace.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/10/denver1011/
No, you don't have the "freedom" to shoot someone dead because you get sprayed with mace. What does that have to do with standing where you want? That makes no sense at all.
Private security is there to watch and observe, their job is to report unlawful activity to law enforcement.
I agree this guy is a murderer I don't have double standards for murder left or right. He didn't have the right to shoot someone dead over that. Condemning murder is important no matter who started it. Also I'm not going to make excuses that he got attacked first so it's justified. Kyle rittenhouse is a murderer and now this guy is.
To be honest I don't see it getting better if trump gets another 4 years. We see what it's like with him in office, people are killing each other over politics. There was a plan to overthrow the government, take civilian hostages and kill police and the president didn't say a word about it little alone condemn it. This is Trumps America, how are you liking it?
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budmanman said: This is one of those incidents where its like so should the guard have been arrested or not? The dude sprayed mace at him which violated his freedom to not be sprayed with mace. However mace is just an annoying irritant and could also have been avoided.
However I still support the guard I think. He defended his right and freedom to stand where ever he wants and his right to stand wherever he wants while also not being sprayed with mace.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/10/denver1011/
mace is an incapacitating agent. it puts you in a vulnurable state in which the risk death or serious injury from an attack can increase.
if the mace is unprovoked and out of nowhere there is no telling what the intentions of the macer were and no telling what he would do next.
the guard is justified in my view. but I'm not a court of law so we all just have to wait and see what happens.
all this is assuming the making was out of nowhere and inexplicable. hard to state my stance with so much information unavailable.
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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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Need to know with certainty, what led up to this.
My stance now is he is in the wrong for taking a kill shot. Hit to the leg would have served its purpose.
As far as security is there to observe and report, why do they have guns? Not disagreeing nec, just dev av.
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Seriously_trippin said: This is Trumps America, how are you liking it?
A majority of violence has been coming from mostly leftist groups.
I don't think Trump supporters burn down buildings.
Reports of ANTIFA/BLM using the cans donated during their soup drive as weapons, thrown at trump supports during this Denver protest.
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budmanman said: This is one of those incidents where its like so should the guard have been arrested or not? The dude sprayed mace at him which violated his freedom to not be sprayed with mace. However mace is just an annoying irritant and could also have been avoided.
However I still support the guard I think. He defended his right and freedom to stand where ever he wants and his right to stand wherever he wants while also not being sprayed with mace.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/10/denver1011/
mace is an incapacitating agent. it puts you in a vulnurable state in which the risk death or serious injury from an attack can increase.
if the mace is unprovoked and out of nowhere there is no telling what the intentions of the macer were and no telling what he would do next.
the guard is justified in my view. but I'm not a court of law so we all just have to wait and see what happens.
all this is assuming the making was out of nowhere and inexplicable. hard to state my stance with so much information unavailable.
Victim took steps back as shooter reaches for pistol after being smacked for reaching for said mace can. Can of mace, non lethal, was used in self defense towards someone with a pistol, lethal weapon.
Shot was fired less than a second after can of mace began spraying, indicating shooter had pistol in hand and mace was sprayed in response to a pistol being drawn and/or beinf raised.
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birdeatingspider said: Need to know with certainty, what led up to this.
My stance now is he is in the wrong for taking a kill shot. Hit to the leg would have served its purpose.
As far as security is there to observe and report, why do they have guns? Not disagreeing nec, just dev av.
1 legs are really hard to hit (and police, security and self defenders are at an inherent disadvantage already against attackers as they are the ones who have to react the the actions of the attacker) they are small and move around in many ways. plenty of people die from leg shots and survive center mass shots.
a shot that is meant to wound and successfully does so without killing will likely not end a threat. even a shot that results in death eventually may not be enough to put someone out of the fight right away. Bullets aren't designed to incapacitate people like pepper spray or stun guns or something.
getting shot isn't like a movie. people can often still move around and continue fighting shortly after being shot. a non letbal gunshot wound could raise the stakes in that situation and carve into stone the fact that this is a fight to the death, which could escalate the situation and lead to an unpredictable reaction from the attacker. most people will flee or surrender because of the mental effect. they call it the FIBS factor. fudge I've been shot. and that can give you an advantage but its not all you need to defend yourself. physically, bullets are not very good at incapacitating someone who is still mentally in the fight compared to a tool designed to incapacitate.
there are many valid reasons why cops and nobody should ever shoot to wound. do some research on it for real because there are plenty of search results that will explain why its not a good idea.
I wouldn't even brandish a gun. of course that can be effective and end the situation with no injury to anyone but guns are made for killing, not intimidating and not injuring. my advice is dont go bringing them into situations where you aren't ready to kill because you dont know how someone will react to having a gun aimed at them. you might have to shoot them anyway or you might not get the chance.
if you feel your life is in danger and you have the opportunity to take out the threat, take out your gun and shoot to kill as fast and accurately as you can right from the draw. if you dont feel your life is in danger, dont pull out a gun at all. keep it away. don't brandish it, and definitely don't shoot anyone in the leg.
guns are lethal tools, period. they should never be treated as non lethal or less lethal.
If you beleive that he was not justified in using deadly force and you are correct then he was not legally justified in using a gun at all as guns are considered deadly force, legally.
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Re: Right winged protester shot dead by security guard after spraying mace toward him. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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birdeatingspider said: Need to know with certainty, what led up to this.
My stance now is he is in the wrong for taking a kill shot. Hit to the leg would have served its purpose.
As far as security is there to observe and report, why do they have guns? Not disagreeing nec, just dev av.
1 legs are really hard to hit (and police, security and self defenders are at an inherent disadvantage already against attackers as they are the ones who have to react the the actions of the attacker) they are small and move around in many ways. plenty of people die from leg shots and survive center mass shots.
a shot that is meant to wound and successfully does so without killing will likely not end a threat. even a shot that results in death eventually may not be enough to put someone out of the fight right away. Bullets aren't designed to incapacitate people like pepper spray or stun guns or something.
getting shot isn't like a movie. people can often still move around and continue fighting shortly after being shot. a non letbal gunshot wound could raise the stakes in that situation and carve into stone the fact that this is a fight to the death, which could escalate the situation and lead to an unpredictable reaction from the attacker. most people will flee or surrender because of the mental effect. they call it the FIBS factor. fudge I've been shot. and that can give you an advantage but its not all you need to defend yourself. physically, bullets are not very good at incapacitating someone who is still mentally in the fight compared to a tool designed to incapacitate.
there are many valid reasons why cops and nobody should ever shoot to wound. do some research on it for real because there are plenty of search results that will explain why its not a good idea.
I wouldn't even brandish a gun. of course that can be effective and end the situation with no injury to anyone but guns are made for killing, not intimidating and not injuring. my advice is dont go bringing them into situations where you aren't ready to kill because you dont know how someone will react to having a gun aimed at them. you might have to shoot them anyway or you might not get the chance.
if you feel your life is in danger and you have the opportunity to take out the threat, take out your gun and shoot to kill as fast and accurately as you can right from the draw. if you dont feel your life is in danger, dont pull out a gun at all. keep it away. don't brandish it, and definitely don't shoot anyone in the leg.
guns are lethal tools, period. they should never be treated as non lethal or less lethal.
If you beleive that he was not justified in using deadly force and you are correct then he was not legally justified in using a gun at all as guns are considered deadly force, legally.

"Bullets aren't designed to incapacitate people like pepper spray or stun guns or something."
They're designed to do more than incapacitate people, hence this mans dead body after a head shot.
His pepper spray didn't even effect the shooter, there wasn't enough time.
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Jay Danielson wasn't standing too long after taking two to his chest.
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Why people participate in these events baffles me.. both extremes on each side of the political spectrum have shown they are fueled by little more than hate and stupid ideas. As I heard someone else say in another thread, play stupid games win stupid prizes.. it's just too bad when completely innocent people are hurt or targeted, both emotionally and physically, by extremists.
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birdeatingspider said: Need to know with certainty, what led up to this.
My stance now is he is in the wrong for taking a kill shot. Hit to the leg would have served its purpose.
As far as security is there to observe and report, why do they have guns? Not disagreeing nec, just dev av.
1 legs are really hard to hit (and police, security and self defenders are at an inherent disadvantage already against attackers as they are the ones who have to react the the actions of the attacker) they are small and move around in many ways. plenty of people die from leg shots and survive center mass shots.
a shot that is meant to wound and successfully does so without killing will likely not end a threat. even a shot that results in death eventually may not be enough to put someone out of the fight right away. Bullets aren't designed to incapacitate people like pepper spray or stun guns or something.
getting shot isn't like a movie. people can often still move around and continue fighting shortly after being shot. a non letbal gunshot wound could raise the stakes in that situation and carve into stone the fact that this is a fight to the death, which could escalate the situation and lead to an unpredictable reaction from the attacker. most people will flee or surrender because of the mental effect. they call it the FIBS factor. fudge I've been shot. and that can give you an advantage but its not all you need to defend yourself. physically, bullets are not very good at incapacitating someone who is still mentally in the fight compared to a tool designed to incapacitate.
there are many valid reasons why cops and nobody should ever shoot to wound. do some research on it for real because there are plenty of search results that will explain why its not a good idea.
I wouldn't even brandish a gun. of course that can be effective and end the situation with no injury to anyone but guns are made for killing, not intimidating and not injuring. my advice is dont go bringing them into situations where you aren't ready to kill because you dont know how someone will react to having a gun aimed at them. you might have to shoot them anyway or you might not get the chance.
if you feel your life is in danger and you have the opportunity to take out the threat, take out your gun and shoot to kill as fast and accurately as you can right from the draw. if you dont feel your life is in danger, dont pull out a gun at all. keep it away. don't brandish it, and definitely don't shoot anyone in the leg.
guns are lethal tools, period. they should never be treated as non lethal or less lethal.
If you beleive that he was not justified in using deadly force and you are correct then he was not legally justified in using a gun at all as guns are considered deadly force, legally.

"Bullets aren't designed to incapacitate people like pepper spray or stun guns or something."
They're designed to do more than incapacitate people, hence this mans dead body after a head shot.
His pepper spray didn't even effect the shooter, there wasn't enough time.
yeah they are designed to kill. if you intentionally don't kill someone There is a good chance it won't put them down.
you may even not put them down and end up still killing them eventually. it doesnt always work like most people picture it.
you shouldnt shoot to wound.
Edited by BANANA.MAN (10/11/20 05:46 PM)
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