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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: Socrateshroom] * 1
    #26970890 - 10/05/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You’re an inspiration, dear Socrateshroom

Peace and love, brother
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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26971698 - 10/06/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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You’re an inspiration, dear Socrateshroom

Peace and love, brother
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You were one of the people who, in my most frightening moments, manifested to me and brought a sense of calm to me in my turmoil.

I could see your essence clearly, as if I had known you for a thousand lifetimes. And it made me realize your importance to me, this community, and the entire fabric of reality.

Much love to you, my brother in the infinite. And thank you for your friendship, it truly is a light in the dark.

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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26971780 - 10/06/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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DJ Ed said:
You’re an inspiration, dear Socrateshroom

Peace and love, brother
DJ Ed





You were one of the people who, in my most frightening moments, manifested to me and brought a sense of calm to me in my turmoil.

I could see your essence clearly, as if I had known you for a thousand lifetimes. And it made me realize your importance to me, this community, and the entire fabric of reality.

Much love to you, my brother in the infinite. And thank you for your friendship, it truly is a light in the dark.

:loveheart:




Huh u know do Ed?


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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: Exstortion]
    #26971852 - 10/06/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Not in person, but he has been a great friend and influence on me here on the shroomery (and I hope to visit him one day after the world stops burning and trying to kill everyone).


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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26971856 - 10/06/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: Exstortion]
    #26973042 - 10/06/20 11:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That's some trip ! I really need to get some APE spores someday too...

I'm wondering about one thing, were there any physical discomfort during the trip and how long did it last ?


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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26973311 - 10/07/20 06:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That is truly amazing, Socrateshroom.

I too sense people, or probably more accurately, I sense energies. Thee are 3 or 4 distinctly different energies that I come across regularly in3.5g plus trips. I’m also convinced I’ve sensed the same energies in people in differing places around the world; when I’m not tripping! For a while I became convinced there are only a few “real” people in the world and that everyone else is a “non-player character”!

I had everything prepared last Friday including 42g fresh Red Boys made into a tea. Opened a can of lager and chickened out again, with literally 30 minutes to go. I’m so lame this year. In my defence, had a super intense trip in Feb that was then compounded by cannabis. Tried again a couple of weeks later, avoided the cannabis, and had first proper bad trip in 30years. Since March this year has been a slog.

Depression came back in July, but I’ve worked through that; without the help of mushrooms!

Then in September my daughter got Covid and passed it on to me. I still have symptoms, though neither of us have any of the 3 Covid symptoms! Trouble sleeping, sore throat, runny nose, fatigue. Almost 4 weeks now. But the backlash we’ve had from school has convinced me that I wasn’t imagining all that negative energy from my few trips during the pandemic; the world is going mad.

Deleted my Facebook account at the weekend, and will probably never work on fast jets again: an old boss posted a meme about Trump, basically laughing that he’d caught Covid. I do not want to hear, talk to, or read crap anymore from all these left wing liberals who in my book are more fascist and right wing than the nazis ever we’re! It’s called basic humanity.

So this year has morphed into: no news, no social media, no mushrooms. Haven’t stopped growing and experimenting though: my mushroom fridge is overflowing :awesome:

Take care brother
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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26975229 - 10/08/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like you did some serious conditioning.
Like HIIT for your psyche.
It hits you so fast and strong that reason hiccups on delirium and abruptly reconstitutes with the resumption of something near a homeostatic pulse.
What normally would pace itself is pent up and released at once, putting you in a hurried fumble to put one foot in front of the other.
Little will your preconditioned brain accept that, in this situation, it needn't worry about putting those feet in order; nor even making contact with the ground.

It's always nice to be reminded that your vitals are generally impervious to the substance.
However hard it might be to remind that pesky 'self' of that when you're disintegrating and to not give in to the hubbub going on amongst the rest of the temple.

Easy travels, friend.
Good to see you're getting better-suited - takes a bit for the leather to break in on a glove that can always fit the hand better.


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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: footpath] * 1
    #26975246 - 10/08/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Appreciate your words, footpath, solid :thumbup:

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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26975274 - 10/08/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Not to confuse (nor dismiss), but I did mean it for socrates' OP... seems I'm out of the habit of directing my responses appropriately... but it is universally applicable for anyone journeying.

Often, it seems life circumstances are even more confusing and difficult to process and deal with than complete loss of identity and physical reality - especially for those of us a little off-kilter.
This, however, is one of those times for the human race. Most of us are journeying through tumult with very little provision.

Sorry to hear of your troubles, Ed, and glad to hear you've found a way to sort it out... definitely best during these turbulent times to look mostly in front of and within yourself. If an unadulterated mind is what your compulsion tells you, an unadulterated mind is how to move forward.


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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: footpath]
    #26975359 - 10/08/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

DJ Ed, sorry to hear about your depression but happy that you're getting through it!

I hope those COVID after effects don't bother you too long. I think seeing you in hyperspace was a sign that you're needed there :heart: Hopefully you'll return to the space soon.

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Sounds like you did some serious conditioning.
Like HIIT for your psyche.
It hits you so fast and strong that reason hiccups on delirium and abruptly reconstitutes with the resumption of something near a homeostatic pulse.
What normally would pace itself is pent up and released at once, putting you in a hurried fumble to put one foot in front of the other.
Little will your preconditioned brain accept that, in this situation, it needn't worry about putting those feet in order; nor even making contact with the ground.

It's always nice to be reminded that your vitals are generally impervious to the substance.
However hard it might be to remind that pesky 'self' of that when you're disintegrating and to not give in to the hubbub going on amongst the rest of the temple.

Easy travels, friend.
Good to see you're getting better-suited - takes a bit for the leather to break in on a glove that can always fit the hand better.




Incredibly put. Missed you footpath hope all is well!

But you really hit the nail on the head. 5 days later and i'm still feeling significantly different, with anxiety and the like significantly decreased.

I think the "checking on my vitals" was a last ditch effort of my ego to try and get me out of the experience. I had a really big battle with my ego during that time and that was when most of the fear manifested.

However, I kept repeating to myself, over the internal screams of my ego, something like "I can't turn back, so let go". And that eventually helped me let go and the fear subsided.

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Often, it seems life circumstances are even more confusing and difficult to process and deal with than complete loss of identity and physical reality - especially for those of us a little off-kilter.




Crazy how relevant this is. Although frightening, I faced my dissolution during the experience. Yet I seem to run away from normal life circumstances instead of face the fears head on. Something about that experience, even during the epitome of fear, that I felt comfortable in.


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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: Socrateshroom] * 1
    #26975485 - 10/08/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I believe it to be healthy for one’s sanity that they occasionally abandon their intellect to the utter ineffableness & inherently private intimacy of mystical experience.  Done well & it’s like a very good psychic stretch....or an exorcism...or a metamorphosis, etc....
Either way, Really loosens up the old gal and she tends to run much better afterwards.  :lol::crazy2:  :mushroom2:


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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: Socrateshroom] * 1
    #26975590 - 10/08/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I've been surreally fortunate, given the times - no disruption of work; healthy family; and I was in the mortgage process just before the shutdowns began over here in the US - managed to get in two days before basically all lending stopped. Now in a neat little spot needing lots of fixing-up and a dedicated corner of the basement for my cultivation pursuits.
There are a lot of memes going around about introverts thriving in these quarantine conditions... really can't argue with that. In a normal scenario, I'm pretty neurotic about ingesting other peoples' mucosal secretions (unless I'm very connected with them), so wearing a face covering and practicing extra hygiene really played out in my obsessive-compulsive favor.

Haven't even had time to consider dosing, inclusive of µdosing - which I was fairly dependent on for a long time there... goes to show how much channeling your deliberateness into anything can really do wonders for your mental health. Although, through my years, I have noticed that I thrive in chaos, so... hmm. Something to be said there, I suppose.

However, the cold weather creeping in has slowed the home improvement (minimized the chaos...?) and brought back the mycological impulses... just put some 7-month-old spawn to coir about a week ago as my first non-house project in that time. Looking good so far.

Wanted to make sure my first stop was at TPE as I slowly go full-fledged discussion forum addict again.
Happy to see the familiar monikers still active during these trying times.

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However, I kept repeating to myself, over the internal screams of my ego, something like "I can't turn back, so let go". And that eventually helped me let go and the fear subsided.




This is that practice of making a mantra for yourself.
As benign as it seems, it's the only reason I'm able to continue in my psychedelic exploration.

As a young'un, I had a series of difficult trips that led me to believe that, each time, I was at death's doorstep.
I was taking them for the wrong reasons - to escape my reality.
Eventually I stopped and, further eventually, started to try to take them for the right reasons - to elaborate upon my reality.
However, those near-death-feeling physiological symptoms remained up until I told myself something really simple: "It comes with your body."
To this day, I may get overwhelmed and certain degrees of anxious with the physical manifestations to accompany, but I always come back to that very basic statement that acts as an almost-immediate sedation to those anxieties.
Breathing stabilizes as I forget about it. Body temperature regulates (to a degree {zing!}). And 'I' no longer am concerned about my 'self'.

Five simple words and my atoms go wherever they please.


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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: footpath] * 2
    #26975693 - 10/08/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26978156 - 10/10/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe it to be healthy for one’s sanity that they occasionally abandon their intellect to the utter ineffableness & inherently private intimacy of mystical experience.  Done well & it’s like a very good psychic stretch....or an exorcism...or a metamorphosis, etc....
Either way, Really loosens up the old gal and she tends to run much better afterwards.  :lol::crazy2:  :mushroom2:




Absolutely. I never realized how much change comes from a large dose the following days. I guess I never dosed high enough to really feel those significant after-effects. But this entire week has been incredible. Less anxiety, more focused, and everything gleams with beauty to me.


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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26979454 - 10/11/20 04:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I guess I never dosed high enough to really feel those significant after-effects. But this entire week has been incredible. Less anxiety, more focused, and everything gleams with beauty to me.




Do you see it as after-effects of the drug itself or changes it brought about in your mind and your outlook on things?

I've always thought it was more the latter.


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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: Forrester]
    #26980555 - 10/11/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think it's after effects of the drug.  That's why when I'm tripping a lot I tend to enjoy everything much more, I can have the afterglow pretty much nonstop when not indulging.  It wears off after a few days but how LONG it takes to wear off depends on how MUCH I did.


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    #26980827 - 10/12/20 02:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Great writeup. Thanks so much for sharing your experience. I will have some APEs in the relatively-near future, and I will definitely approach them with caution after reading this one. I have never had an experience stronger than 3.5 grams of amazonian cubensis, but this sounds like it was more powerful than any of my psychedelic experiences by an order of degrees. Thanks so much for sharing!


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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26980991 - 10/12/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I guess I never dosed high enough to really feel those significant after-effects. But this entire week has been incredible. Less anxiety, more focused, and everything gleams with beauty to me.




Do you see it as after-effects of the drug itself or changes it brought about in your mind and your outlook on things?

I've always thought it was more the latter.




I'd agree with Primal in that,
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I think it's after effects of the drug.  That's why when I'm tripping a lot I tend to enjoy everything much more, I can have the afterglow pretty much nonstop when not indulging.  It wears off after a few days but how LONG it takes to wear off depends on how MUCH I did.



I'm sure, like with many substances, there's a certain amount of time that it takes for your physiology (especially neurophysiology) to return somewhere close to your default parameters without said substance.

But I'd also think (and what makes psychedelics so substantial to the human experience) that there's that intangible (or maybe just hard-to-quantify) impression on your perspective and your own proprioception within it.
Being so distinctly extracted from and replaced to a certain state of coherent/normal perception gives, what I would think, a rippling effect that will, to some degree, skew the makeup of what gives us our perception. And the closer we are to that extraction/replacement event, the more we notice the changes that have taken place in our perception.
Like returning home after a vacation to find everything is a bit smaller and closer together. But the psychedelic vacation is from self and the place in physical reality it usually is.
I think, even after the body regulates from the substance, there's another sort of half-life running its course that takes a much longer time to fade - the impressions that your perception has made on your self.


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Re: 1.5g APE, I thought I knew what it meant to trip. I was wrong. [Re: Forrester]
    #26981064 - 10/12/20 08:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you see it as after-effects of the drug itself or changes it brought about in your mind and your outlook on things?
I've always thought it was more the latter.




To address this somewhat unnecessarily, as footpath has already said it spot on:

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there's a certain amount of time that it takes for your physiology (especially neurophysiology) to return somewhere close to your default parameters without said substance.





I believe this to be true.

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But the psychedelic vacation is from self and the place in physical reality it usually is.
I think, even after the body regulates from the substance, there's another sort of half-life running its course that takes a much longer time to fade - the impressions that your perception has made on your self.




I feel that this is just as equally important as the actual substance chemically interacting with the body.

I remember coming back from a weekend silent meditation retreat at a buddhist monastery, and, as I arrived at home, I sat on my front steps for a good 20 minutes. I could hear the interplay of the world, animals, the soft touch of the wind on the nearby vegetation, in a way that I had never experienced.

That meditation retreat really changed the way of my perception, temporarily of course, due to being radically different than my normal day to day life. For a good week afterwards, I was much more aware and grounded in the moment.

I did not keep up with my meditation practices after that and soon my perception returned to much of what it was before the retreat, with the caveat that it now had an experience that did, in some small but fundamental way, reshape it forever.

So I see it as a combination of the two. The substance itself acting on our receptors and having substantial but temporary after-effects on the physiology and the significant change in perceptual interaction with the world that leaves an imprint on the psyche (most noticeably for some short time after but in some small way for a long time or even permanently).


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