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MagicalOrangutan
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do benzos necessarily take away from tripping?
#17581770 - 01/20/13 09:08 PM (11 years, 28 days ago) |
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On both weed and psychedelics (cactus dmt and tasteless blotter :-) ) my heart rate rises very noticeably. Would some xanax or klonopins be able to reduce my anxiety and heart rate without taking away the visuals of tripping?
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Edited by MagicalOrangutan (01/20/13 09:14 PM)
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Re: do benzos necessarily take away from tripping? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
#17581821 - 01/20/13 09:18 PM (11 years, 28 days ago) |
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I have taken half a xanax bar prior to dosing a few times, its a nice buzz, I don't get anxious on psycadelics but I definitely felt even more at ease than normal. but it didn't feel like tripping I felt great but I don't remember much of the peaks at all and was just borderline comatose. either they diminished my visuals drastically or I was soo fucked up I just forgot to pay attention.
If I have any now ill save them for the next day, xanax and a nice afterglow feels really nice.
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Re: do benzos necessarily take away from tripping? [Re: bishlap]
#17581933 - 01/20/13 09:37 PM (11 years, 28 days ago) |
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My wife has a legit klonopin script so we always have it around. I've tried it while shrooming a few times and it definitely decreases the anxiety and pretty much guarantees you won't have a bad trip. It doesn't drastically reduce the visuals/trippiness but is does dull them a bit, you can feel it holding the shrooms back a little. If you want to trip bawlz, then don't take a benzo, but if you take a decent dose and are having a bad trip, or are prone to really bad come-up anxiety a benzo will definitely put you in the right frame of mind. My wife doesn't like to trip too hard and has anxiety issues so she always pops one before tripping, I'm definitely not going to take any next time I trip because it's been a while since I've had a really powerful one.
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OutsideOfMyMind
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Re: do benzos necessarily take away from tripping? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
#26979359 - 10/11/20 12:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know this is old but I just wanted to put it out there for harm reduction educational purposes. One time I did 200 micrograms of lsd (I jumped from 60 micrograms to 200 thinking it would be no big deal since Albert Hoffman did 250) and it was TOO MUCH. It came on heavy and hard. As soon as it kicked in, everything was moving, words on my phone turned into wavy worms, spinning kaleidoscopes on my ceiling, the whole corner of the room was moving. I was tripping fucking balls. My mind kept getting higher and higher and higher and after about 30-45 minutes after it initially kicked in I thought to myself, "I overdid it, how much did I fucking take? What have I done to myself? Are these hits more than 100ug each? I only took 2 hits, how can this happen? Did this happen because I ate 3 oranges directly before dosing? Shit, I'm going to turn into a glass of orange juice because I ate oranges before tripping and I took too much and now I'm going to go crazy on lsd and turn into a glass of orange juice." I had convinced myself that "this is how it happens" "This is how people lose their minds on lsd and become a glass of orange juice forever." "I shouldn't have eaten those oranges!"
I took a 200mg seroquel xr 1 hour after the acid initially kicked in and I just put on some music with visualizations on the big screen tv, laid in bed and told myself, "Stay in the fucking bed until this seroquel kicks in." I went with the flow as much as possible and tried to enjoy this "too strong" feeling as I repeated in my mind like a mantra "I'm never taking 200ug again, I'm never taking 200ug again."
FUCK! As the trip progressed and as I was waiting for the seroquel to kick in, I felt like I had been transported to the inside of my own head. I felt like I was stuck inside of my own head and that I was a slave to myself and my mind. I was planning on doing only 150 micrograms. I told myself I should have taken less. Next time I will do only 1 hit, 100 micrograms.
As soon as the seroquel kicked in, all of the NEGATIVE aspects of the trip started to subside substantially. That panicky feeling went away. I stopped having that feeling like I was "stuck inside my own head" and I was relieved that I wasn't going to turn into a glass of orange juice, that it's just an urban myth. But I am convinced that is probably how the urban myth was started: Some dude similar to me, ate an orange or 3, took lsd, tripped too hard, and thought he turned into a glass of orange juice. Total poster boy for lsd orange juice man.
I was able to enjoy the trip now. The seroquel didn't stop me from tripping whatsoever. It only got rid of the negative feelings. I actually continued to hallucinate a little harder until I started peaking and then I was having the most awesome tracers I've ever seen. As I waved my hand in front of my face to test my tracers, millions of hands trailed behind it. Tracers are my favorite hallucination so I waved my hand in front of my face for awhile. I was able to lay back in bed and enjoy the spinning kaleidoscopes on the ceiling.
Seroquel works with serotonin. Benzos don't. If seroquel didn't stop my trip, benzos probably won't either. It basically relaxed my mind and helped me to enjoy the trip.
After the first 6 hours, the trip became MUCH more manageable and I started coming back "in pieces." My mind was shattered before the peak ended.
Lesson learned on not to jump doses so high and much more respect for this substance and for Albert Hoffman for discovering it for us.
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Re: do benzos necessarily take away from tripping? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
#26979413 - 10/11/20 03:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Benzos definitely take something away from the trip, but you're still tripping for sure. It can be an enjoyable combo, but I'd recommend against it if you want the full experience. Maybe just try cutting out the weed, staying in bed, and trying to relax more the next time you trip.
Edited by nooneman (10/11/20 03:15 AM)
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OutsideOfMyMind
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Re: do benzos necessarily take away from tripping? [Re: nooneman]
#26979420 - 10/11/20 03:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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nooneman said: Benzos definitely take something away from the trip, but you're still tripping for sure. It can be an enjoyable combo, but I'd recommend against it if you want the full experience. Maybe just try cutting out the weed, staying in bed, and trying to relax more the next time you trip.
Also please ignore outsideofmymind, his trip report is bullshit and fake and he's a troll.
I'm not trolling lol. This trip was a couple months ago so it's still fresh in my mind. You can convince yourself of the strangest things while on acid while full heartedly knowing it can't be true. You can tell yourself "I'm just on a drug, it will wear off in 12 hours" but if you've already played out in your mind why and how something has happened you're just kinda left to feel that way until the feeling subsides. Again, 200ug is too strong for me and I had no clue how high 200 was. I'm just getting back into doing acid after only getting tabs with a mystery dose. 2 hits of my previous acid is probably the equivalent to 1 hit of what I have now. I am only doing 1 from now on from the batch I have.
I literally made this account so I can talk about these strange crazy realms I get into.
Edited by OutsideOfMyMind (10/11/20 03:21 AM)
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Re: do benzos necessarily take away from tripping? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] 1
#26979602 - 10/11/20 08:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ill add my limited experience with this. Ive taken Etiz 30 minutes before both cid and 4-aco-dmt. For me it turned the ride into a pleasently chill but intense ride with no real mental though loops or wackyness. If thats what you want in your trip then yes it takes away from the trip. Visually for me it didnt tame it down, I still got amazing visuals and the high was the same. So if you want or need to crazy headspace, then dont..If erasing the headspace aspect of the trip sounds wonderful then do.
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Re: do benzos necessarily take away from tripping? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] 1
#26980040 - 10/11/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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OutsideOfMyMind said: ....Did this happen because I ate 3 oranges directly before dosing? Shit, I'm going to turn into a glass of orange juice because I ate oranges before tripping and I took too much and now I'm going to go crazy on lsd and turn into a glass of orange juice." I had convinced myself that "this is how it happens" "This is how people lose their minds on lsd and become a glass of orange juice forever." "I shouldn't have eaten those oranges!"
If you actually believe such ridiculous things and convince yourself of such silly ridiculous things, I'd say be careful with psychedelics.
I can't wrap my mind around how someone would actually believe that's what's happening to them...Like really?
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Re: do benzos necessarily take away from tripping? [Re: openmind]
#26980089 - 10/11/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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openmind said:
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OutsideOfMyMind said: ....Did this happen because I ate 3 oranges directly before dosing? Shit, I'm going to turn into a glass of orange juice because I ate oranges before tripping and I took too much and now I'm going to go crazy on lsd and turn into a glass of orange juice." I had convinced myself that "this is how it happens" "This is how people lose their minds on lsd and become a glass of orange juice forever." "I shouldn't have eaten those oranges!"
If you actually believe such ridiculous things and convince yourself of such silly ridiculous things, I'd say be careful with psychedelics.
I can't wrap my mind around how someone would actually believe that's what's happening to them...Like really?
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It was a really challenging trip. I knew that I wasn't REALLY going to be permafried or an orange juice because I know those are urban myths but honestly I think my problem was just taking too much. There's also people who actually have gone crazy from doing acid just once like that guy from the Beach Boys. From that point forward, I do lower doses. I'm not as experienced with acid as I am with mushrooms and honestly had no clue how strong 200ug was. I've done acid once since then and it was a 60ug trip. My next one will be 100ug. If that goes good then my next will be 125ug, then 150ug. But I most likely won't go any higher than 150ug if I like that dose.
But yeah, after that experience I was a little scared to trip so I started lowering my doses but I feel more confident in my tripping now. Next week I'm going to the beach and taking a day trip on 100ug with a couple friends. It's going to be great.
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Re: do benzos necessarily take away from tripping? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#26980489 - 10/11/20 07:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I take xanax anytime a trip starts to get a little to hard or i start getting a tad anxious. just pop a little xanax under your tongue and take the edge off so you can enjoy the remainder of your trip worry free,
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Re: do benzos necessarily take away from tripping? [Re: No Face]
#26980546 - 10/11/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I use Lemon Balm (3 to 4.5 grams), i find it helps with the anxiety and panic and aids in relaxation, no benzos necessary then, at least for me.
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