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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: SARAtonin]
#26986582 - 10/15/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Psa is wel known for grading fake cards?
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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: theRealrollforever]
#26986585 - 10/15/20 08:01 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Any actual collector would pay for a PSA 9 or 10, crack it out and have it graded by BGS. It can go both ways actually, with a BGS 10 not receiving a psa 10 and vice versa
BGS is better for newer 2000< Cards tho
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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: theRealrollforever]
#26986587 - 10/15/20 08:02 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Literally look it up. 
You obviously just have personal beef with me and are trying to be difficult because of that.
All I’m doing is trying to educate people and you’re just here to start shit.
Grow up.
It’s not cute.
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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: SARAtonin]
#26987048 - 10/15/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Please tell us more of the wonderous world of card collection!
I have zero clue what you guys are talking about with the grading and so on, but you both seem very passionate about it
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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: Tripsurfer]
#27021997 - 11/04/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have you tried tcg player?
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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: Sporagami]
#27022005 - 11/04/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ya, I’ve bought a lot of product off TCG player, why do you ask?
If you’re looking to sell its better to go to a collector directly or ebay.
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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#27312504 - 05/17/21 12:32 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said: If you post pics of front and back I can give you an idea of what it will traded at but it will be a very rough grading because I know a bit about centering on the back of the card, whitening on the corner and just the edges of the card etc. Sounds awesome and I'd like a picture anyway if you can. Shadowless Charizards are even more rare because one guy owns 80% of 1st edition Charizards produced.....
I forgot about this thread and just came across these pics of my card that I took a while ago, then remembered that I never posted em' in this thread. I only have pics of the front of it RN because I'm too lazy to get the card out and take a photo of the back and then upload it to my computer and then resize the pic then delete EXIF data then upload it to the shroomery lol.
But the back of the card doesn't have any marks or scratches or creases or anything.
To my eyes my card appears pretty "clean" and in decent shape. No creases and no bends anywhere, the card is perfectly straight & flat. No edges are frayed or splitting. On the very top edge of the card there is some very slight wearing, but no fraying of the edges and no delamination. There are just a few teeny tiny specs/scratches on the front/face of the card, most of which can't be seen unless the lighting is right.
I don't know how strict the grading services are. I assume that they are pretty strict and astringent and that to get a high grade a card has to be super duper pristine and that even the tiniest imperfection will drop the grading dramatically? I assumed that if a card has even just one tiny little scratch it would basically drop the card down to like a 3 or 4, but I've seen pics of cards that visibly look way worse than my card have a grading of like 4 to 5. I've seen pics of Charizards graded as 1 or 2 still fetching $100 to a few hundred dollars .
I assume mine is at least a 6? I really have no idea though. I don't know how strict grading is or how many points a tiny scratch/spec will take down the grade.
Here's my Charizard! lol ....In the 2nd pic, you can kinda see there are a few teeny tiny specs/scratches. For the most part, though, I feel it's in pretty decent shape. I honestly feel it is in damn near mint condition to my "amateur" eyes, but I'm not a collector and don't have any idea how perfect a card needs to be to be considered "near mint".


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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: openmind]
#27312526 - 05/17/21 12:50 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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The cut on the Bottom right corner is a factory defect(looks like) I would ballpark it at a 3-4, maybe lower, that one side is rough. The rule of thumb is that a cards overall grade can only score half a point higher than its lowest grade in any subcategory so if those edges get a 3 1/2 because of the defect I mentioning the rest of the card would bring it up to about a four I don't know what they would grade that edge at but that will considerably decrease the grade. I'd sell it as is, but I'm lazy and wouldn't want to bother for a 50 extra dollar turnaround after waiting for the grade and being out the grading money while you wait
This is all because I'm clueless though and I have a beef with Sara
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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: theRealrollforever]
#27312598 - 05/17/21 01:47 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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theRealrollforever said: The cut on the Bottom right corner is a factory defect(looks like) I would ballpark it at a 3-4, maybe lower, that one side is rough....
What "cut" are you talking about? Or what do you mean by, "cut"?
I'm clueless when it comes to card grading, but I don't see any cut on the bottom right corner of the card?
And what particular side/edge do you consider to be in "rough" shape? Or are you saying the entire front/face of the card is in rough shape?
So only a 3 or 4, eh?
I thought it might be a little higher than that, but .
I've seen cards that look in rougher shape than mine graded at or higher than that though. I'm looking at some examples of Charizard's graded at 3 & 4 (PSA) right now and they all have more visible scratches on the front/face of the card than mine and one or more edges are visibly frayed/worn a little bit.
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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: openmind]
#27312613 - 05/17/21 01:58 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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That card looks pretty near mint. Maybe he thinks the shadow from your finger is a missing piece of the card.
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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: 1234go]
#27312630 - 05/17/21 02:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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1234go said: That card looks pretty near mint. Maybe he thinks the shadow from your finger is a missing piece of the card.
I feel it looks damn near "near-mint" too .
I don't see any cuts on the card or how the front of the card is in "rough" shape?
All I see is, and I'm trying to be "strict" and picky about any imperfection that I see....The top-edge of the card has some very mild/slight "scuffing" (but not enough that it is frayed or splitting or "roughed up"), there is a mild/light scratch in the holo near the tongue that you can see if the lighting is right and the card is held at an angle (not even sure if it's a scratch or part of the art), and I see two other specs/marks about the size of a pin head that are not seen unless the card is held in light and looked at from an angle.
In normal lighting, looking at the card with my own eyes, I don't see anything wrong with the card at all. But under very bright lighting or a flash I can see a few slight imperfections like I described above.
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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: openmind]
#27312863 - 05/17/21 06:09 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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It was your thumb, my bad man lol. My phone has been loading images blurry and I didn't wait for a clearer one
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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: openmind] 1
#27312908 - 05/17/21 06:56 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey openmind, the card looks pretty good, I'm seeing what is referred to as "silvering" along the top edge, also to the left of the art in that thin area before you get to the border, and is that a silver spec to the left of the text box? Also look closely near Charizard's mouth, that vertical line is referred to as a "print line" and their maybe another on the right side of the art, but the lighting on that side in the pic makes it hard to tell. Something as small as a white spec/dot on a corner/edge when looking at the back of a card can hold it back from a 10 grade, this is why 10 grades fetch such high premiums.
This card is definitely worth grading regardless of this, from what I see and based on what you have described, your looking at a strong 7, possibly an 8. The market for these is good. The centering looks good on the front, carefully take a peak at the back and see if the border on either side is noticeably thicker/thinner than the other side, and do the same for the top and bottom border.
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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: SARAtonin]
#27312963 - 05/17/21 07:41 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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SARAtonin said: You think that’s bad look at magic cards lol.
Hey Sara, just wondering what you think of the MTG scene and where it might be 15-20 years from now. I’ve got my tabletop crew but we don’t venture out into the world of cardshops/tournaments. Just wondering if you think Magic is at a peak right now, or if it’ll always pretty much be a mainstay in the realm of card games. Question being semi focused on card values moving forward.
Not to derail this thread or anything... GG OP - take the money and run haha
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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: ManianFH]
#27312966 - 05/17/21 07:43 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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How much is the charizard worth now in average condition? I have all 3
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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: trees]
#27312986 - 05/17/21 08:02 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yours have the shadow though...
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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: ManianFH]
#27312998 - 05/17/21 08:21 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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mick said:
Not to derail this thread or anything... GG OP - take the money and run haha
Yeah honestly if I had some super valuable Pokémon cards I'd sell them right now too.
Nostalgia is FLEETING.
The pandemic REALLY brought up the value in tons of collectible nostalgia things like this and it will come down. WAY DOWN.
Will they still be worth something? Sure. But nothing like the mania there is today.
And as for the future of MTG card- I'd also say SELL at this peak.The problem with MTG is that it's WAY TOO HUGE- and vast- and the "life body" of MTG as a table top game is DYING.
Soon MTG will be a distant memory. And an OG "Black Lotus" might go for $20 at a garage sale because some little girl liked a picture of a black flower on a slice of thin cardboard.
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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: 1234go]
#27313017 - 05/17/21 08:46 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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1234go said: Yours have the shadow though...
That sounds bad, damn shadow. That probably means its bullshit and not OG
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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: trees]
#27313025 - 05/17/21 08:50 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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trees said:
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1234go said: Yours have the shadow though...
That sounds bad, damn shadow. That probably means its bullshit and not OG
THE whole "shadow" versus" shadowless thing takes like 5 minutes to figure out by reading a quick google search article with pictures.
It IS a way to tell the earliest printed cards though from what I understand.
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Re: Anyone familiar with the value of Pokemon cards? (Charizard lol) [Re: trees]
#27313033 - 05/17/21 08:58 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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trees said:
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1234go said: Yours have the shadow though...
That sounds bad, damn shadow. That probably means its bullshit and not OG
Heh, yeah apparently the shadowless ones are more sought after.
I pulled out my old Pokémon cards recently, and thought I had some gems... but after looking them up online I was pretty disappointed...lol.
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