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ONE OZ SLUG said: Hey I noticed you haven't said a word about HCQ since getting back. I don't think Trump even touched the stuff since getting covid - at least not while he was in the hospital. Has your stance on HCQ changed at all?
If he were to have continued taking HCQ, he may have not have been infected.
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Re: Got some ice skates [Re: HamHead]
#26982598 - 10/12/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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There it is
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Re: Got some ice skates [Re: HamHead] 1
#26982671 - 10/13/20 12:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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HamHead said:
By 2020, Arizona is projected to hit a population of 7,286,000, covid deaths at less than 5,800. 0.0796%.
I believe this math has been explained to you several times, mortality rate of disease is not computed against total population, but against those testing positive for disease. Also, yep we've gotten better at saving people infected, or in real terms the disease has become less lethal and more easily spread...
https://www.biospace.com/article/mutated-covid-19-viral-strain-in-us-and-europe-much-more-contagious/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-mutation/more-infectious-coronavirus-mutation-may-be-a-good-thing-says-disease-expert-idUSKCN25E08Y
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/8/18/mutated-coronavirus-may-be-less-deadly-expert-suggests
Again though, you claim to read all these papers and do all your research, but the very simple basic statistical math behind mortality rates eludes you. This is a you problem, either you do not want to learn the proper statistical methodology, or you are incapable of learning it.
I think I will take your advice, and reply to you when you post something scientifically defensible, not that I would believe that to ever have a chance of happening, as you seem unable to separate what you want to be true from the various noise. You are a remarkable example of confirmation bias(scour web for anything that confirms your viewpoint, and even if an article refutes your view, you cherry pick the parts that don't. Also, I have said before Dunning-Kruger effect explains everything about you, that and you picked the most ridiculous hill to die on. Well I had my fun, best not make the mods mad at me for fueling the flames.
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HamHead
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Re: Got some ice skates [Re: Ice9]
#26982798 - 10/13/20 06:11 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss1978/lesson3/section3.html
Deaths occurring during a given time period divided by/Size of the population among which the deaths occurred
When mortality rates are based on vital statistics (e.g., counts of death certificates), the denominator most commonly used is the size of the population at the middle of the time period. In the United States, values of 1,000 and 100,000 are both used for 10n for most types of mortality rates. Table 3.4 summarizes the formulas of frequently used mortality measures.
The case-fatality rate is a proportion, not a true rate. As a result, some epidemiologists prefer the term case-fatality ratio.
The concept behind the case-fatality rate and the death-to-case ratio is similar, but the formulations are different. The death-to-case ratio is simply the number of cause-specific deaths that occurred during a specified time divided by the number of new cases of that disease that occurred during the same time. The deaths included in the numerator of the death-to-case ratio are not restricted to the new cases in the denominator; in fact, for many diseases, the deaths are among persons whose onset of disease was years earlier. In contrast, in the case-fatality rate, the deaths included in the numerator are restricted to the cases in the denominator.
Here's my issue. There have been many more infections than there are case numbers. Someone could've been sick and not ever been tested, never being part of a statistic. So, calculating a death to case ratio is challenging as it doesn't give a true representation of how many people have become infected and not ever becoming a recorded case.
Cause-specific mortality rate The cause-specific mortality rate is the mortality rate from a specified cause for a population. The numerator is the number of deaths attributed to a specific cause. The denominator remains the size of the population at the midpoint of the time period. The fraction is usually expressed per 100,000 population. In the United States in 2003, a total of 108,256 deaths were attributed to accidents (unintentional injuries), yielding a cause-specific mortality rate of 37.2 per 100,000 population.
"Also, yep we've gotten better at saving people infected, or in real terms the disease has become less lethal and more easily spread.."
Interesting you say this. I could get into what failures/atrocities occured. I remember reports of people being left in rooms alone with all their equipment sitting outside their room so as no one would have contact with an infected person. I remember reports of infected people being taken into nursing homes. People were afraid to even go to a hospital for fear of infection so our healthcare system was crippled.
Now, people are less afraid and more likely to seek medical attention instead of sitting in their homes waiting for symptoms to get worse before seeking medical care.
Also, there was little mention of vitamins early on. Another example of a failed healthcare system when information on vitamin D and C were being censored by mainstream media outlets.
There's also something to be said about medical procedures being shut down and when many of those people who were avoiding hospitals for basic visits having nothing to do with Covid began going back to hospitals for regular check ups, they are tested for covid. If they test positive, they have become a case.
Or are they listed as an infection instead?
I have to go to work. There's more to be said, wish I had all day to sit around browsing.

Speaks on case numbers.
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Edited by HamHead (10/13/20 10:55 AM)
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Re: Got some ice skates [Re: HamHead] 2
#26982801 - 10/13/20 06:18 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm really disappointed this isn't actually about ice skates. Being a HH thread, generally I would have ignored it, but here I am being let down by HH again. The time you were gone was bliss, and I didn't even know it.
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Re: Got some ice skates [Re: HamHead]
#26983020 - 10/13/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I tried skating again last year. I was definitely not as good as I remembered
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HamHead
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Last time I strapped on some ice skates was in 2017. Sort of like riding a bike, muscle memory kicks in fairly quickly even after so many years.
I can even skate backwards!
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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