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Politics control what we eat not science
    #26978031 - 10/10/20 06:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

shit this could make me a Trump supporter https://www.dtnpf.com/agriculture/web/ag/blogs/ag-policy-blog/blog-post/2020/08/14/pence-harris-red-meat-battle-dietary

kamala harris wants to alter the dietary guidelines to reduce the amount of redmeat we can consume

this comes as im trying to increase the amount myself, its the real ancestral diet, we evolved in a ice age eating very fatty ice age animals, if I could afford it I would eat most of my calories from fatty ribeye steak most days

this is not the first time politics has given us the guidelines instead of science

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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher]
    #26978085 - 10/10/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26978861 - 10/10/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

would that change manifest itself substantially in any way that would affect someone who is not intentionally hacking their diet?

that would probably impact like, school lunches, hospital food, military meals, and physician's opinions about someone's diet.

i don't recall school lunches being very rich in meat anyway.  usually the turkey with gravy and mashed potatoes or hot dog was the meatiest meal you'd get.  i don't really remember though, and i usually opted for pasta and breadstick.  potentially you could make kids skinnier i suppose.

hospital food is not very meaty if i recall either.  lots of hot water that's supposed to be soup and jello.  i don't recall ever eating a big juicy hunk of meat in the hospital, but i don't really remember this either.

with regard to military meals - i could foresee this being a problem.  do you think that change would negatively impact the military?  our marines would be skinnier and twittier.  although, from what i understand, you are allowed to eat as much as you want in the military, as long as you eat it within a certain time frame.  but i am not really sure, i've never been in the military.

finally, with regard to physician's opinions about people's diets...  i mean, according to physicians you aren't really supposed to do anything unhealthy.  i can't imagine it having a huge impact here, but you never know.

so...  changing the food pyramid would probably be a big deal about not too much.  perhaps a symbolic change if nothing else.  maybe it would manifest itself most drastically if it were to influence other countries.

actually, you know what it would impact - the meat industry.  it might affect how many animals are slaughtered and how much meat is produced.  might make meat prices go up.  hm...

iono, what do you think?


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher] * 4
    #26979315 - 10/11/20 12:06 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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kamala harris wants to alter the dietary guidelines to reduce the amount of redmeat we can consume



Correct me if I'm wrong here but... they cannot 'reduce the amount of meat we can consume'.

AFAIK, they can only change recommendations?

If that is the case, as drug users, do we give even a smidgen of a fuck what 'they' 'recommend'?


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher] * 1
    #26979325 - 10/11/20 12:11 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Guidelines are just guidelines, not laws. Eat to your hearts content.


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: ONE OZ SLUG] * 1
    #26979368 - 10/11/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Guidelines are just guidelines, not laws. Eat to your hearts content.




this, food science in general is an area worth suspicion, but its multi-directional, corporate agendas drive a good amount of the studies, and in general its a pretty hard area to research effectively.

It doesn't look like they intend to do anything other than alter guidelines, not enforce meat quotas and hand out mandatory soy injections


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher] * 1
    #26979418 - 10/11/20 03:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You know you're perfectly free to eat whatever you want and to ignore what people tell you to eat. No one is stopping you or anything.


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #26979537 - 10/11/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Guidelines are just guidelines, not laws. Eat to your hearts content.




this, food science in general is an area worth suspicion, but its multi-directional, corporate agendas drive a good amount of the studies, and in general its a pretty hard area to research effectively.






and even if you wanted to do a proper study, its hard to randomize and double blind it, people tend to know what they are eating, at best, the doctors/scientist wouldnt know what you are eating


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher] * 3
    #26979814 - 10/11/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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this comes as im trying to increase the amount myself, its the real ancestral diet, we evolved in a ice age eating very fatty ice age animals, if I could afford it I would eat most of my calories from fatty ribeye steak most days

this is not the first time politics has given us the guidelines instead of science






Eat whatever you want but, just throwing it out there; eating fatty steak everyday is not the same as what people were eating during ice ages. They did not choose to eat meat everyday because it was healthy, they were forced to eat meat everyday because it was fucking freezing and there was no other food.

Because of the lack of vegetables in their diet, the only way they were able to survive  was by eating literally every part of the animal. Brain, testes, bones, organs, literally every fucking thing.

Unless your "ancestral" diet involves killing a seal and eating it in its entirety, it's a bullshit fad. Just eat some vegetables dude, we're omnivores and are healthiest eating a little bit of everything.


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Svetaketu]
    #26979881 - 10/11/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Because of the lack of vegetables in their diet, the only way they were able to survive  was by eating literally every part of the animal. Brain, testes, bones, organs, literally every fucking thing.





well I agree they probably ate every part of the animal, you can survive off muscle meat and fat alone, theres about 100,000 people on reddit who do, the inuit threw the organs to the dogs


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher]
    #26979922 - 10/11/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Politics arn't stopping me from eating cleaning products and other chemicals for health, common sense does...

If you're trying to justify or push a meat diet, check in on those folks in a year. They are either gonna be on dialysis the rest of their life or they cheated and haven't been as strict as they are telling you.


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Shiithead]
    #26980021 - 10/11/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Owsley Stanley the sound guy for the gratful dead ate a zero carb diet for decades

Vilhjalmur Stefansson ate a zero carb diet for 4 years while he lived with the inuit, when he came back to civilization no one believed him and he went under a 1 year observational study where he and a friend ate nothing but meat and developed no deficiencies 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilhjalmur_Stefansson#Advocacy_of_exclusively-meat_diet


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher]
    #26980024 - 10/11/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I eat a lot of steaks, do u think its a good idea to invest in this:



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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26980029 - 10/11/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I dont  know what that is and never used one, but its probably good, I know that it is a good brand, they make a good pressure cooker, that thing is probably like a George Forman on steroids


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher]
    #26980048 - 10/11/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

If 100,000 people on reddit jumped off a bridge....


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #26980066 - 10/11/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Theres a few youtube doctors who eat it too, I particularly like Dr. Ken Berry, he is a fellow in the American Academy of Family Physicians (faafp) so he cant be a total quack, I even bought his book "Lies My Doctor Told Me" that goes into what he considers medical myths, it was a fun read


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher]
    #26980068 - 10/11/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I dont  know what that is and never used one, but its probably good, I know that it is a good brand, they make a good pressure cooker, that thing is probably like a George Forman on steroids





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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher] * 1
    #26980071 - 10/11/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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well I agree they probably ate every part of the animal, you can survive off muscle meat and fat alone, theres about 100,000 people on reddit who do, the inuit threw the organs to the dogs




You could probably survive eating nothing but Denny's for a reasonable amount of time, does that mean it's healthy?

Like I said, just another bullshit fad.


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: nooneman]
    #26980107 - 10/11/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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kamala harris wants to alter the dietary guidelines to reduce the amount of redmeat we can consume








Can you explain to me how the fuck does dietary guideline determine how much redmeat I consume?

I don't know about you...but "dietary guidelines" don't apply to me at all in anyway.

I eat what I want to eat, I don't pay attention to any sort of guidelines or any sort of specific diet.

I'm a vegetarian by the way...I don't eat any sort of meat at all.

With all that said...I do feel that everyone should certainly try to reduce the amount of meat they consume. The meat industry is terrible for our planet and it is fucked up to keep animals in cages/corrals their entire existence just for the sake of killing and eating them. And it's fucked up that it takes millions upon millions of acres of land to feed the animals, all of the destruction of our forests to feed those animals that spend their entire existence in a cage/corral, and it's fucked up that it takes billions of gallons of water to grow those animals that spend their entire existence in a cage/corral. If you hunt for your own meat then that's totally different and totally fine in my eyes, but the meat in grocery stores and fast food places is absolutely garbage and a poison to the well being of our planet.

Who would want that garbage going into their bodies anyway? Flesh from animals that never had a life, flesh from animals that were fed mostly nothing but corn, flesh that was created by the destruction & suffering of our planet....I don't want any part of that becoming a part of my body/being, and I certainly don't want to support such destruction with my $. You are what you eat!

But who the fuck follows "dietary guidelines" set by a government?







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You know you're perfectly free to eat whatever you want and to ignore what people tell you to eat. No one is stopping you or anything.





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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: openmind]
    #26980150 - 10/11/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It's just a good example of something that doesn't look like right wing propaganda to people that are receptive to hating Biden/Harris but absolutely is. It's a big nothing burger trying to get people pissed off and vote for trumps. Don't believe me?
Ops first sentence was "shit this could make me vote for trump" lol


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: openmind] * 1
    #26980180 - 10/11/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Openmind has a good point regarding "guidelines".
But long term, guidelines could end up being more than guidelines...

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With all that said...I do feel that everyone should certainly try to reduce the amount of meat they consume. The meat industry is terrible for our planet...




With industry being the key word, not meat.
One of the reasons the meat industry is bad is because we don't let the cows eat grass, instead we cut down forest and grow soybeans that we then can process into pellets that are shipped across the ocean and fed to cows, which in turn get sick from it and has to be fed antibiotics as a precaution so we can continue feeding them soy-pellets.

No shit that's bad for our planet...

All massive industries find ways to optimize their winnings, e.g. by using crops that grow good to feed cows instead of crops that are good for the cows. Massive industries is the the problem, not meat.

Huge global industries producing soybeans are not doing any better.

Hence the solution is not what type of food you eat.
The solution is eating natural food grown close to you that has not been put through industrial processes for the sake of optimizing profit, be it meat or vegetables...

With that said I guess its quite clear I think the idea of such a guideline is utter bullshit...


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Malkuthian]
    #26980383 - 10/11/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The meat industry is a problem...

....he military industrial complex is a problem...

...the federal reserve and bank of England are a problem...

...big pharma is a problem...

...big government is a problem...


Red meat?  I don't eat it personally.  I don't eat meat, fish, eggs, or dairy personally.

There may be people infringing on my right to put what I want in my body by dumping toxins everywhere all over the world, and I may have some pcb's from plastic and other chemicals like C8 maybe in my body...

....I may not be free to build whatever the fuck I want on my land...

...I may not be free to grow plants and mushrooms, do whatever business I want, collect rain water, live in peace, dodge the draft, live free from taxes, decalcify my pineal gland, and a hundred other things I'm not free to do...

...but when it comes times to get a vaccine or be told what I have to eat...

....I'll ignore those bitches!

The "dietary guidelines" from our government have been owned by industry since their existence.  The dairy industry, eggs, meat, etc.

Americans grow a shitload of corn and soy to feed to animals that they eat.  The corn and soy farmers rely on us buying the meat...

...is there a specific group that benefits huge from us not eating as much red meat...maybe the poultry industry in some way?  Probably not because as soon as people start looking at red meat suspiciously pretty soon they might look at all meat suspiciously.  It doesn't seem like there is anything outside those who are concerned with the impact on the planet from the meat industry...and those who are concerned with our health genuinely form their own perspective.

I mean, the BIG industry is a big problem.  The little guys are not a problem at all relatively speaking.  Their impact is so small any ways it's not gonna matter anyways (for a long time at least I don't think we need to worry about it)...but people buy the cheap stuff...


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Nymphaea]
    #26980461 - 10/11/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Who the fuck cares what the mainstream medical community or govt says about diet - they've proven themselves willfully ignorant this long already


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: twighead]
    #26980626 - 10/11/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The only thing that has been consistent in what scientists say about food in the last 100 years is what everybody has been saying all along even before scientists tried to get in on the act.


Vegetables are good for you.


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26980750 - 10/11/20 11:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Seeing as nobody can even follow guidelines for a damn pandemic, how do we expect them to follow meat dietary intake guidelines?

Protein and meat does not digest the same way as carbohydrates and fat. It does not give you energy the same way. people need much more carbohydrates than they do protein.


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26980754 - 10/11/20 11:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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The only thing that has been consistent in what scientists say about food in the last 100 years is what everybody has been saying all along even before scientists tried to get in on the act.


Vegetables are good for you.





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Personally I always hope people will continue to include lots of veggies in their diet like broccoli and other stuff regardless of the crazy shit they read on the internet.  lol.

EAT YOUR DAMN VEGGIES

lol

I mean it's your choice...but still...don't be freaked out cause of fruit or something.  lol


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #26980906 - 10/12/20 05:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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people need much more carbohydrates than they do protein.



Tell that to people, or why not entire cultures, that are not eating carbohydrates.
Your statement is not true.


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26980907 - 10/12/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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The only thing that has been consistent in what scientists say about food in the last 100 years is what everybody has been saying all along even before scientists tried to get in on the act.

Vegetables are good for you.




I thought the general consensus since all along was: Varied food is good for you.
Vegetables are good.
Meat is good.
Eggs are good.
Fish is good.
Fruit is good.

Combining them is best.


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Malkuthian]
    #26981112 - 10/12/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

This in no way contradicts what I said.

Though most of the things on that list have at some point been advised to be consumed in limited portions. Vegetables have not except in the sense that a totally vegan diet has never been recommended.


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26981200 - 10/12/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

People eat whatever is edible and it keeps them alive.  Knowing what "is best" for a long, healthy, and energetic life is something we aren't going to understand fully just because of history...

...it's a very contentious area of science right now...best not to pass too much judgement I imagine.  Follow the money, stay away from poisons, and make sure you get enough carbs, proteins, and fats...

...you should be fine...for now...


....if you end up with heart disease at some point maybe try an oil-free, fiber rich diet for a while to get that cholesterol down...it might help quite a bit...

...but you don't have to take anyone's word on anything for sure....just produce food cleanly, buy from clean sources....be grateful for the food you eat...seek truth on the issue but don't conclude too much ever...seek out new types of foods to try and FIND FOODS YOU CAN BELIEVE IN to protect you.

Broccoli is like a secret key that fits our DNA I've heard before.  lol.


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Nymphaea] * 1
    #26981283 - 10/12/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Also, human genetics varies widely enough that there can be no catch-all dietary guidelines.


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26981818 - 10/12/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Also, human genetics varies widely enough that there can be no catch-all dietary guidelines.



A good point that puts the general guideline in an interesting perspective!


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Malkuthian]
    #26982580 - 10/12/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

If I only eat meat I feel like a giant blob and I feel like I'm going to die. My body needs lots of carbohydrates. Everyone is different.


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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #26982585 - 10/12/20 11:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

If I only eat carbohydrates I feel like a giant blob and I feel like I'm going to die. My body needs lots of lots. Everyone is different.

Spot on!!


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