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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: openmind] 1
#26980180 - 10/11/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Openmind has a good point regarding "guidelines". But long term, guidelines could end up being more than guidelines...
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openmind said: With all that said...I do feel that everyone should certainly try to reduce the amount of meat they consume. The meat industry is terrible for our planet...
With industry being the key word, not meat. One of the reasons the meat industry is bad is because we don't let the cows eat grass, instead we cut down forest and grow soybeans that we then can process into pellets that are shipped across the ocean and fed to cows, which in turn get sick from it and has to be fed antibiotics as a precaution so we can continue feeding them soy-pellets.
No shit that's bad for our planet...
All massive industries find ways to optimize their winnings, e.g. by using crops that grow good to feed cows instead of crops that are good for the cows. Massive industries is the the problem, not meat.
Huge global industries producing soybeans are not doing any better.
Hence the solution is not what type of food you eat. The solution is eating natural food grown close to you that has not been put through industrial processes for the sake of optimizing profit, be it meat or vegetables...
With that said I guess its quite clear I think the idea of such a guideline is utter bullshit...
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Malkuthian]
#26980383 - 10/11/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The meat industry is a problem...
....he military industrial complex is a problem...
...the federal reserve and bank of England are a problem...
...big pharma is a problem...
...big government is a problem...
Red meat? I don't eat it personally. I don't eat meat, fish, eggs, or dairy personally.
There may be people infringing on my right to put what I want in my body by dumping toxins everywhere all over the world, and I may have some pcb's from plastic and other chemicals like C8 maybe in my body...
....I may not be free to build whatever the fuck I want on my land...
...I may not be free to grow plants and mushrooms, do whatever business I want, collect rain water, live in peace, dodge the draft, live free from taxes, decalcify my pineal gland, and a hundred other things I'm not free to do...
...but when it comes times to get a vaccine or be told what I have to eat...
....I'll ignore those bitches!
The "dietary guidelines" from our government have been owned by industry since their existence. The dairy industry, eggs, meat, etc.
Americans grow a shitload of corn and soy to feed to animals that they eat. The corn and soy farmers rely on us buying the meat...
...is there a specific group that benefits huge from us not eating as much red meat...maybe the poultry industry in some way? Probably not because as soon as people start looking at red meat suspiciously pretty soon they might look at all meat suspiciously. It doesn't seem like there is anything outside those who are concerned with the impact on the planet from the meat industry...and those who are concerned with our health genuinely form their own perspective.
I mean, the BIG industry is a big problem. The little guys are not a problem at all relatively speaking. Their impact is so small any ways it's not gonna matter anyways (for a long time at least I don't think we need to worry about it)...but people buy the cheap stuff...
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Nymphaea]
#26980461 - 10/11/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Who the fuck cares what the mainstream medical community or govt says about diet - they've proven themselves willfully ignorant this long already
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: twighead]
#26980626 - 10/11/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The only thing that has been consistent in what scientists say about food in the last 100 years is what everybody has been saying all along even before scientists tried to get in on the act.
Vegetables are good for you.
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#26980750 - 10/11/20 11:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seeing as nobody can even follow guidelines for a damn pandemic, how do we expect them to follow meat dietary intake guidelines?
Protein and meat does not digest the same way as carbohydrates and fat. It does not give you energy the same way. people need much more carbohydrates than they do protein.
Edited by OutsideOfMyMind (10/11/20 11:52 PM)
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#26980754 - 10/11/20 11:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: The only thing that has been consistent in what scientists say about food in the last 100 years is what everybody has been saying all along even before scientists tried to get in on the act.
Vegetables are good for you.

Personally I always hope people will continue to include lots of veggies in their diet like broccoli and other stuff regardless of the crazy shit they read on the internet. lol.
EAT YOUR DAMN VEGGIES
lol
I mean it's your choice...but still...don't be freaked out cause of fruit or something. lol
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#26980906 - 10/12/20 05:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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OutsideOfMyMind said: people need much more carbohydrates than they do protein.
Tell that to people, or why not entire cultures, that are not eating carbohydrates. Your statement is not true.
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#26980907 - 10/12/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: The only thing that has been consistent in what scientists say about food in the last 100 years is what everybody has been saying all along even before scientists tried to get in on the act.
Vegetables are good for you.
I thought the general consensus since all along was: Varied food is good for you. Vegetables are good. Meat is good. Eggs are good. Fish is good. Fruit is good.
Combining them is best.
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Malkuthian]
#26981112 - 10/12/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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This in no way contradicts what I said.
Though most of the things on that list have at some point been advised to be consumed in limited portions. Vegetables have not except in the sense that a totally vegan diet has never been recommended.
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#26981200 - 10/12/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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People eat whatever is edible and it keeps them alive. Knowing what "is best" for a long, healthy, and energetic life is something we aren't going to understand fully just because of history...
...it's a very contentious area of science right now...best not to pass too much judgement I imagine. Follow the money, stay away from poisons, and make sure you get enough carbs, proteins, and fats...
...you should be fine...for now...
....if you end up with heart disease at some point maybe try an oil-free, fiber rich diet for a while to get that cholesterol down...it might help quite a bit...
...but you don't have to take anyone's word on anything for sure....just produce food cleanly, buy from clean sources....be grateful for the food you eat...seek truth on the issue but don't conclude too much ever...seek out new types of foods to try and FIND FOODS YOU CAN BELIEVE IN to protect you.
Broccoli is like a secret key that fits our DNA I've heard before. lol.
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Nymphaea] 1
#26981283 - 10/12/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also, human genetics varies widely enough that there can be no catch-all dietary guidelines.
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#26981818 - 10/12/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: Also, human genetics varies widely enough that there can be no catch-all dietary guidelines.
A good point that puts the general guideline in an interesting perspective!
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Malkuthian]
#26982580 - 10/12/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I only eat meat I feel like a giant blob and I feel like I'm going to die. My body needs lots of carbohydrates. Everyone is different.
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#26982585 - 10/12/20 11:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I only eat carbohydrates I feel like a giant blob and I feel like I'm going to die. My body needs lots of lots. Everyone is different.
Spot on!!
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