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Politics control what we eat not science
#26978031 - 10/10/20 06:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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shit this could make me a Trump supporter https://www.dtnpf.com/agriculture/web/ag/blogs/ag-policy-blog/blog-post/2020/08/14/pence-harris-red-meat-battle-dietary
kamala harris wants to alter the dietary guidelines to reduce the amount of redmeat we can consume
this comes as im trying to increase the amount myself, its the real ancestral diet, we evolved in a ice age eating very fatty ice age animals, if I could afford it I would eat most of my calories from fatty ribeye steak most days
this is not the first time politics has given us the guidelines instead of science
your mother used to tell you what to eat, now its big brother
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher]
#26978085 - 10/10/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#26978861 - 10/10/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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would that change manifest itself substantially in any way that would affect someone who is not intentionally hacking their diet?
that would probably impact like, school lunches, hospital food, military meals, and physician's opinions about someone's diet.
i don't recall school lunches being very rich in meat anyway. usually the turkey with gravy and mashed potatoes or hot dog was the meatiest meal you'd get. i don't really remember though, and i usually opted for pasta and breadstick. potentially you could make kids skinnier i suppose.
hospital food is not very meaty if i recall either. lots of hot water that's supposed to be soup and jello. i don't recall ever eating a big juicy hunk of meat in the hospital, but i don't really remember this either.
with regard to military meals - i could foresee this being a problem. do you think that change would negatively impact the military? our marines would be skinnier and twittier. although, from what i understand, you are allowed to eat as much as you want in the military, as long as you eat it within a certain time frame. but i am not really sure, i've never been in the military.
finally, with regard to physician's opinions about people's diets... i mean, according to physicians you aren't really supposed to do anything unhealthy. i can't imagine it having a huge impact here, but you never know.
so... changing the food pyramid would probably be a big deal about not too much. perhaps a symbolic change if nothing else. maybe it would manifest itself most drastically if it were to influence other countries.
actually, you know what it would impact - the meat industry. it might affect how many animals are slaughtered and how much meat is produced. might make meat prices go up. hm...
iono, what do you think?
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher] 4
#26979315 - 10/11/20 12:06 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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gopher said: kamala harris wants to alter the dietary guidelines to reduce the amount of redmeat we can consume
Correct me if I'm wrong here but... they cannot 'reduce the amount of meat we can consume'.
AFAIK, they can only change recommendations?
If that is the case, as drug users, do we give even a smidgen of a fuck what 'they' 'recommend'?
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher] 1
#26979325 - 10/11/20 12:11 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Guidelines are just guidelines, not laws. Eat to your hearts content.
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: ONE OZ SLUG] 1
#26979368 - 10/11/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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ONE OZ SLUG said: Guidelines are just guidelines, not laws. Eat to your hearts content.
this, food science in general is an area worth suspicion, but its multi-directional, corporate agendas drive a good amount of the studies, and in general its a pretty hard area to research effectively.
It doesn't look like they intend to do anything other than alter guidelines, not enforce meat quotas and hand out mandatory soy injections
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher] 1
#26979418 - 10/11/20 03:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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You know you're perfectly free to eat whatever you want and to ignore what people tell you to eat. No one is stopping you or anything.
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Ezuma] 1
#26979537 - 10/11/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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ONE OZ SLUG said: Guidelines are just guidelines, not laws. Eat to your hearts content.
this, food science in general is an area worth suspicion, but its multi-directional, corporate agendas drive a good amount of the studies, and in general its a pretty hard area to research effectively.
and even if you wanted to do a proper study, its hard to randomize and double blind it, people tend to know what they are eating, at best, the doctors/scientist wouldnt know what you are eating
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher] 3
#26979814 - 10/11/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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gopher said: this comes as im trying to increase the amount myself, its the real ancestral diet, we evolved in a ice age eating very fatty ice age animals, if I could afford it I would eat most of my calories from fatty ribeye steak most days
this is not the first time politics has given us the guidelines instead of science
Eat whatever you want but, just throwing it out there; eating fatty steak everyday is not the same as what people were eating during ice ages. They did not choose to eat meat everyday because it was healthy, they were forced to eat meat everyday because it was fucking freezing and there was no other food.
Because of the lack of vegetables in their diet, the only way they were able to survive was by eating literally every part of the animal. Brain, testes, bones, organs, literally every fucking thing.
Unless your "ancestral" diet involves killing a seal and eating it in its entirety, it's a bullshit fad. Just eat some vegetables dude, we're omnivores and are healthiest eating a little bit of everything.
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Svetaketu]
#26979881 - 10/11/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because of the lack of vegetables in their diet, the only way they were able to survive was by eating literally every part of the animal. Brain, testes, bones, organs, literally every fucking thing.
well I agree they probably ate every part of the animal, you can survive off muscle meat and fat alone, theres about 100,000 people on reddit who do, the inuit threw the organs to the dogs
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher]
#26979922 - 10/11/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Politics arn't stopping me from eating cleaning products and other chemicals for health, common sense does...
If you're trying to justify or push a meat diet, check in on those folks in a year. They are either gonna be on dialysis the rest of their life or they cheated and haven't been as strict as they are telling you.
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Shiithead]
#26980021 - 10/11/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Owsley Stanley the sound guy for the gratful dead ate a zero carb diet for decades
Vilhjalmur Stefansson ate a zero carb diet for 4 years while he lived with the inuit, when he came back to civilization no one believed him and he went under a 1 year observational study where he and a friend ate nothing but meat and developed no deficiencies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilhjalmur_Stefansson#Advocacy_of_exclusively-meat_diet
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher]
#26980024 - 10/11/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I eat a lot of steaks, do u think its a good idea to invest in this:
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Gypsy Boy]
#26980029 - 10/11/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dont know what that is and never used one, but its probably good, I know that it is a good brand, they make a good pressure cooker, that thing is probably like a George Forman on steroids
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher]
#26980048 - 10/11/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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If 100,000 people on reddit jumped off a bridge....
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#26980066 - 10/11/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Theres a few youtube doctors who eat it too, I particularly like Dr. Ken Berry, he is a fellow in the American Academy of Family Physicians (faafp) so he cant be a total quack, I even bought his book "Lies My Doctor Told Me" that goes into what he considers medical myths, it was a fun read
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher]
#26980068 - 10/11/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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gopher said: I dont know what that is and never used one, but its probably good, I know that it is a good brand, they make a good pressure cooker, that thing is probably like a George Forman on steroids
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: gopher] 1
#26980071 - 10/11/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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well I agree they probably ate every part of the animal, you can survive off muscle meat and fat alone, theres about 100,000 people on reddit who do, the inuit threw the organs to the dogs
You could probably survive eating nothing but Denny's for a reasonable amount of time, does that mean it's healthy?
Like I said, just another bullshit fad.
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: nooneman]
#26980107 - 10/11/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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kamala harris wants to alter the dietary guidelines to reduce the amount of redmeat we can consume
Can you explain to me how the fuck does dietary guideline determine how much redmeat I consume?
I don't know about you...but "dietary guidelines" don't apply to me at all in anyway.
I eat what I want to eat, I don't pay attention to any sort of guidelines or any sort of specific diet.
I'm a vegetarian by the way...I don't eat any sort of meat at all.
With all that said...I do feel that everyone should certainly try to reduce the amount of meat they consume. The meat industry is terrible for our planet and it is fucked up to keep animals in cages/corrals their entire existence just for the sake of killing and eating them. And it's fucked up that it takes millions upon millions of acres of land to feed the animals, all of the destruction of our forests to feed those animals that spend their entire existence in a cage/corral, and it's fucked up that it takes billions of gallons of water to grow those animals that spend their entire existence in a cage/corral. If you hunt for your own meat then that's totally different and totally fine in my eyes, but the meat in grocery stores and fast food places is absolutely garbage and a poison to the well being of our planet.
Who would want that garbage going into their bodies anyway? Flesh from animals that never had a life, flesh from animals that were fed mostly nothing but corn, flesh that was created by the destruction & suffering of our planet....I don't want any part of that becoming a part of my body/being, and I certainly don't want to support such destruction with my $. You are what you eat!
But who the fuck follows "dietary guidelines" set by a government?
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Re: Politics control what we eat not science [Re: openmind]
#26980150 - 10/11/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's just a good example of something that doesn't look like right wing propaganda to people that are receptive to hating Biden/Harris but absolutely is. It's a big nothing burger trying to get people pissed off and vote for trumps. Don't believe me? Ops first sentence was "shit this could make me vote for trump" lol
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