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Humidification
#26978021 - 10/10/20 06:39 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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When running it on a timer, what are the optimal intervals per hour? 10 minutes? 15? or maybe a 5 minutes every half hour type thing?
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Re: Humidification [Re: seagu]
#26978035 - 10/10/20 06:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Every situations different, ambient humidity around your grow, exhaust/intake of your greenhouse, how full your greenhouse is... Many different factors, just pick some intervals and check/adjust every hour or so for the first day.
Currently I have mine set to 25mins on 7-8mins off and that gives me a swing of 84-96% ..however that changes almost daily
Edited by Harry Manbach (10/10/20 06:57 AM)
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Re: Humidification [Re: seagu]
#26978082 - 10/10/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, what the man said. It depends so much on your enviromental conditions that its just impossible to give a general procedure. You have to try adjusting it with the help of a humidity sensor (if you have one) or else by seeing how your pins are growing (if they are too dry, raise the humidification interval; if they are too wet, reduce).
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Yea. My ambient humidity has been wonky because of all the rain this year. So that has messed up using an inkbird. It just doesn't turn it on enough a lot of days. Even with tighter settings the humidity just isn't dropping to cause it to kick on enough to keep the mushrooms happy. So I need to switch to a timer.
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Re: Humidification [Re: seagu]
#26978106 - 10/10/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Humidity is humidity if it isnt dropping , seems to me your not exhausting much. Another possibility is your sensor is screwed up.
Food for thought.
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Re: Humidification [Re: Quadman]
#26978143 - 10/10/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am using two different humidity sensors. They both say the same thing. I am exhausting at least 1 flush cycle per 1.5-2 minutes. When it rains the ambient humidity even in my house goes up to around 95-96 maybe dropping down to 90. Even if it goes down to 85 it still slows significantly the drop in humidity inside the FC.
When it doesn't rain or near a day that rained or a just a day with high humidity everything works great.
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Re: Humidification [Re: seagu]
#26978166 - 10/10/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm working in an unfinished basement that's not far removed from the house door(constant fluctuations). I've never used a sensor so I can't speak for that, I just have a interval timer and a digital temp/humidity readout inside the tent, once I get it dialed in I simply check a couple times a day when I'm in there anyway. Only time I really need to adjust it is actually turning it down after a nice cool rain and we leave the windows open
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I am now working in a shed. I had the same humidity issues with the rain and high ambient humidity in the house, when I was growing in there. Now I am even more at the mercy of outside humidity. And the only fix I can see is a timer. I have tried numerous settings. I always know I am done for when I check how much water got used in a day.
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Re: Humidification [Re: seagu]
#26978354 - 10/10/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol trust me I've been there, stress wise at least. I'm in and out of my grow room throughout the day. I understand this isn't the case for many people and they want more automated systems. I learned quickly, just like plants,people,anything really, these beauties like attention and will certainly let you know when they're not getting enough!
Idk what timer you're using, but mine has a max on/off time of 30min/60min. So if you're chasing humidity(I'm still not clear of your issue if I'm being honest lol) start with the max, in my case this would be 30 mins on/ 1-5mins off and let that cycle a couple hours?
You're exhausting your grow space 30+ times an hour if I'm understanding you correctly? Seems excessive, maybe dial that back a bit and you would pull less humidity out?
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Is your exhaust on a cycle or is it constant?
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My exhaust is constant. I need that much exhaust for good looking Oysters and LM. I have 2 timers. I have tried 30 on 30 off all day so far and they are looking much healthier. So I think I have the magic number. For me at least. I will have to run it through it's paces though to make sure.
And no the exhaust isn't pulling enough humidity out of the FC when it is high humidity outside. If it it pulling in air that is the same humidity in the FC, the humidity in the FC doesn't drop... So then the Humidifier doesn't turn on. And then the Mushrooms don't get the water they need. And it has been raining a ton all year. Almost every week it seems for a while now.
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Re: Humidification [Re: seagu]
#26979076 - 10/10/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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seagu said: My exhaust is constant. I need that much exhaust for good looking Oysters and LM. I have 2 timers. I have tried 30 on 30 off all day so far and they are looking much healthier. So I think I have the magic number. For me at least. I will have to run it through it's paces though to make sure.
And no the exhaust isn't pulling enough humidity out of the FC when it is high humidity outside. If it it pulling in air that is the same humidity in the FC, the humidity in the FC doesn't drop... So then the Humidifier doesn't turn on. And then the Mushrooms don't get the water they need. And it has been raining a ton all year. Almost every week it seems for a while now.
I'm glad you found a balance that works! I don't understand though, if the humidity isn't dropping out of optimal range, what water do the mushrooms need?
...I'll take some rain, if you know how to direct it my way!!
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Yea but even though the humidity range is correct. The mushrooms still need water to fall on the fruits. Such as from rain or foggers or spray bottles. At least if you don't want drier fruits. And the higher FAE requirements for Oysters and such exacerbate the situation.
If my humidibucket doesn't use mostly the whole bucket of water per day then I know my mushrooms fruits are going to suffer. When it rains though sometimes no water gets used per day because the whole area is within the humidity range. I can't even mow my yard during the mornings because the dew stays until noon, no matter how hot the day is....
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Re: Humidification [Re: seagu]
#26979750 - 10/11/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Idk, to each their own, my oysters do fine and I'm only cycling half that amount of fresh air, and yes I mist a couple times a day to help induce pinning, but your logic falls apart quick after that! If your humidity is in range there will be no dry fruits, well because that's how humidity works, it's moisture content in the air!
I hope you find a solution that works for you. Some after thoughts maybe to consider...maybe a faulty hygrometer if you say they're drying out in optional conditions..where is your intake/exhaust fan located on your grow..circulation fans within the grow(do you have them, are they possibly pointed directly at your fruits possibly being the/part of the problem.
Best of luck!
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Ye buddy, I dont know, from my experience, I dont think you need water to fall on the fruits at all. If you have high enough humidity, they will be fine. Water on the fruits can actually be a bad thing if your cycle does not allow said water to evaporate completely, as this will promote the growth of bacteria on your pins (cause they will always be slightly wet, and this water film is excellent in promoting growth of nasties).
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Re: Humidification [Re: vsoares]
#26979837 - 10/11/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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What I am talking about is similar to how others have talked about and debated on water droplet sizes from various types of humidification systems. How the smaller the droplet size the easier the mushroom fruits absorb the water and thus look better, last longer. Its the difference between fruits cracking because of not getting enough water falling on them and or the tips of the fruits getting that ring signifying it needs more water even though the RH is 90-95% constantly and the difference between how long they last once picked looking fresh. And the FAE the difference between mostly big fruits or small fruits or leggy fruits.
You don't need to soak everything. And no my circulation fan is not blowing on them.
There is a reason people use 2 humidification systems sometimes. One for ambient RH and one for misting. It isn't just to raise the RH on a meter.
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Re: Humidification [Re: seagu]
#26980664 - 10/11/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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seagu said: What I am talking about is similar to how others have talked about and debated on water droplet sizes from various types of humidification systems. How the smaller the droplet size the easier the mushroom fruits absorb the water and thus look better, last longer. Its the difference between fruits cracking because of not getting enough water falling on them and or the tips of the fruits getting that ring signifying it needs more water even though the RH is 90-95% constantly and the difference between how long they last once picked looking fresh. And the FAE the difference between mostly big fruits or small fruits or leggy fruits.
You don't need to soak everything. And no my circulation fan is not blowing on them.
There is a reason people use 2 humidification systems sometimes. One for ambient RH and one for misting. It isn't just to raise the RH on a meter.
If you are having this problem it is because the humidity is not staying consistent. But without a system that can keep up on demand, you get what you get. I have the system that you need for 1/3 the price PM me if you are interested.
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Well yea, that is what I was saying it wasn't staying consistent. I hadn't heard of this problem talked about with when using an inkbird like setup before(or maybe I just didn't pay attention), although I have been watching it happen for almost a year now within 3 different fruiting chambers. But like I do mention my yard has a high humidity problem in that the dew stays on the grass until at least noon if not 1 pm, so I can't even mow the yard(unless I want to mow wet grass that gets caught in the mower every 2 minutes) until the beastly hot of the day or evening with all the mosquitos. So maybe it is a more unique issue to me, although I can't be the only one who has seen this problem with high ambient humidity and rain every week right on the days the mushrooms are fruiting. which the past few years it has been very dry during this season so its almost unique to this year for me.
Yea we had talked about your high pressure system. And I do want to go that route, its just that right this minute I can't swing the cash because of the various other things I MUST get to make this all happen to have restaurant quality immediately vs having to wait several months. For example getting a new fridge to be able to store the fresh picked mushrooms for a few hours until delivery took a nice chunk out of my immediate cash supply. Its a juggling game sometimes. But my humidification works fine. I think it originally cost me about $56 for everything. If I was to buy it new right now though because of the tariff war with China it would cost closer to $126 for everything. Would it save me on electricity to spend a bunch more for a bigger unit that I could run for a shorter time per hour...? maybe but how quickly? I could probably run it for shorter time than half hour but it is working so why change it. When I switched to half on half off my mushrooms changed almost immediately from, oh bleep to.. oh YEAH! But the proof in the pudding will be in about a week or so with some fresh bags and first flushes... I have a thin nice mist, not too thick and so far no wet bags, no wet floor or bars or nothing. Just a thin wispy fog floating around all the mushrooms making them happy.
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Re: Humidification [Re: seagu]
#26981051 - 10/12/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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seagu said: Well yea, that is what I was saying it wasn't staying consistent. I hadn't heard of this problem talked about with when using an inkbird like setup before(or maybe I just didn't pay attention), although I have been watching it happen for almost a year now within 3 different fruiting chambers. But like I do mention my yard has a high humidity problem in that the dew stays on the grass until at least noon if not 1 pm, so I can't even mow the yard(unless I want to mow wet grass that gets caught in the mower every 2 minutes) until the beastly hot of the day or evening with all the mosquitos. So maybe it is a more unique issue to me, although I can't be the only one who has seen this problem with high ambient humidity and rain every week right on the days the mushrooms are fruiting. which the past few years it has been very dry during this season so its almost unique to this year for me.
Yea we had talked about your high pressure system. And I do want to go that route, its just that right this minute I can't swing the cash because of the various other things I MUST get to make this all happen to have restaurant quality immediately vs having to wait several months. For example getting a new fridge to be able to store the fresh picked mushrooms for a few hours until delivery took a nice chunk out of my immediate cash supply. Its a juggling game sometimes. But my humidification works fine. I think it originally cost me about $56 for everything. If I was to buy it new right now though because of the tariff war with China it would cost closer to $126 for everything. Would it save me on electricity to spend a bunch more for a bigger unit that I could run for a shorter time per hour...? maybe but how quickly? I could probably run it for shorter time than half hour but it is working so why change it. When I switched to half on half off my mushrooms changed almost immediately from, oh bleep to.. oh YEAH! But the proof in the pudding will be in about a week or so with some fresh bags and first flushes... I have a thin nice mist, not too thick and so far no wet bags, no wet floor or bars or nothing. Just a thin wispy fog floating around all the mushrooms making them happy.
I still don't get your problem, one post it's fine the next it's not. No one's suggestions have been met with anything but a contradictory response. What is it..it works or it doesn't?
How big is your fruiting chamber and what is your $56 humidification setup?...I can get away with a similar priced reptile fogger, but it's gonna be the same issue you may have? It's gonna run almost non stop and even tho it gets the conditions into optimal range the results aren't great...
What are you trying to accomplish!?
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seagu said: Well yea, that is what I was saying it wasn't staying consistent. I hadn't heard of this problem talked about with when using an inkbird like setup before(or maybe I just didn't pay attention), although I have been watching it happen for almost a year now within 3 different fruiting chambers. But like I do mention my yard has a high humidity problem in that the dew stays on the grass until at least noon if not 1 pm, so I can't even mow the yard(unless I want to mow wet grass that gets caught in the mower every 2 minutes) until the beastly hot of the day or evening with all the mosquitos. So maybe it is a more unique issue to me, although I can't be the only one who has seen this problem with high ambient humidity and rain every week right on the days the mushrooms are fruiting. which the past few years it has been very dry during this season so its almost unique to this year for me.
Yea we had talked about your high pressure system. And I do want to go that route, its just that right this minute I can't swing the cash because of the various other things I MUST get to make this all happen to have restaurant quality immediately vs having to wait several months. For example getting a new fridge to be able to store the fresh picked mushrooms for a few hours until delivery took a nice chunk out of my immediate cash supply. Its a juggling game sometimes. But my humidification works fine. I think it originally cost me about $56 for everything. If I was to buy it new right now though because of the tariff war with China it would cost closer to $126 for everything. Would it save me on electricity to spend a bunch more for a bigger unit that I could run for a shorter time per hour...? maybe but how quickly? I could probably run it for shorter time than half hour but it is working so why change it. When I switched to half on half off my mushrooms changed almost immediately from, oh bleep to.. oh YEAH! But the proof in the pudding will be in about a week or so with some fresh bags and first flushes... I have a thin nice mist, not too thick and so far no wet bags, no wet floor or bars or nothing. Just a thin wispy fog floating around all the mushrooms making them happy.
I still don't get your problem, one post it's fine the next it's not. No one's suggestions have been met with anything but a contradictory response. What is it..it works or it doesn't?
How big is your fruiting chamber and what is your $56 humidification setup?...I can get away with a similar priced reptile fogger, but it's gonna be the same issue you may have? It's gonna run almost non stop and even tho it gets the conditions into optimal range the results aren't great...
What are you trying to accomplish!?
When I first posted it was hooked up to the inkbird so it didn't work right when it rained. Then from that time the OP questions were first posted, I tried some new things and straightened it all out so that there is no problem other than that I can't use an inkbird where I am currently at because of the high humidity.
My FC is roughly 8'x8'. Enough for at least 200+ bags. I am using a 3 disc fogger in a bucket. Plenty strong enough output. I just needed it to actually turn on the same as it would if it wasn't raining and high humidity. And I solved that issue from the time I first posted like I said. I don't stop trying to figure out a solution just because I asked some questions. Your 25 minute on answer made me think of trying 30 minutes. Then 30 off because that was the easiest from my 3 electric timers and their options.. and so Bazinga a setting was born..
I was trying to accomplish finding out if anyone else has seen that problem before since I hadn't really heard it mentioned and if there was a work round to still being able to use the inkbird, although now I don't see the point of using it.
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Re: Humidification [Re: seagu]
#26981552 - 10/12/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok,fair enough once simplified haha...it just got convoluted to me when multiple fogging systems and other issues arose!
Frankly,I'm still baffled how you can get dry fruits/weak pinning in a 90%+ rh environment without it being caused by too much airflow!?
But at least you've found somewhat of a solution! Although,admittedly, the interval timer can bite you in the ass when you have storm fronts move in overnight and swing ur ambient humidity up or down...well at least when you take the rare opportunity to sleep in lol
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Naw the interval timer will work great for my area. My usual ambient RH is I think low of 50% ish and so that is an acceptable RH for what I am growing. I want an RH swing. I have grown lbs of some great fruits with just that and a spray bottle. So an interval timer will work great and probably not even get down that low on the RH swing anyways even on the off time. As long as I am using a certain amount of water per day my mushrooms will do great I have seen with the same amount of windspeed in all 3 FCs. Also if I went slower on exhaust the fruits would suffer in size and shape.
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