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Are these giant laughing Jim’s
#26977761 - 10/09/20 11:16 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Growing at the base of a tree. No indentation on top fits pictures I see on net perfect
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Indeed they are, probably Gymnopilus subspectabilis
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Re: Are these giant laughing Jim’s [Re: Moria841]
#26977766 - 10/09/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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These are said to be active in Japan with a lot of folklore an mysticism behind em. Can anybody tell me if they are active for sure they definitely won’t bruise.
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Active in my experience... G
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Re: Are these giant laughing Jim’s [Re: gman]
#26977848 - 10/10/20 01:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are there any other potential toxic ones this could be?
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They are definitely a Gymnopilus species, the only active in Japan malarkey, leads me to believe you have probably been reading the Audubon Society field guide, the majority of species in the genus are active regardless of what part of the world you are in. If they do bruise greenish or bluish they are certainly active, but it can sometimes be extremely subtle, and doesn’t always show up predictably, from pinching or breaking them, like many species in the genus Psilocybe do.
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Re: Are these giant laughing Jim’s [Re: manOwar]
#26977947 - 10/10/20 04:24 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think I do actually see bruising on the one you’re holding, but could be just the picture.
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Re: Are these giant laughing Jim’s [Re: manOwar]
#26977998 - 10/10/20 05:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm very interested in the evolutionairy history of these. Have psychoactive mushrooms outside of the Psilocybe's been researched? Did they independently evolve the psychoactive compounds or are they closely related to the Psilocybe's?
Any papers on this?
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Re: Are these giant laughing Jim’s [Re: rorymullan]
#26978046 - 10/10/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Scouring the web some Japanese scientist said they didn’t find psilocybin in them but other constituents and a toxin but still claimed it’s halucinogenic. Is it possible it’s a different enthogen it’s so different from other actives
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If you found this in Japan at the base of a hardwood you likely have the newly described Gymnopilus orientispectabilis from "JAPAN, Tottori Pref., Tottori City, Kokoge, at the base of a dead standing tree of Quercus serrata." "Gymnopilus orientispectabilis is a poisonous mushroom that was first described from Japan by Kawamura (1931, 1954), based on its toxicity and poisoning cases there. Kawamura (1931) and Imai (1938) identif ied it as Pholiota spectabilis, and since then the name G. spectabilis has been widely used for this mushroom in Japan (Imazeki and Hongo 1957, 1987; Imazeki et al. 1988). The European species, which we now refer to as G. junonius, is very similar to this Japanese species in most salient ecological and morphological characters (habit and habitat, colour and surface conditions of basidiomata, taste, shape and ornamentation of spores, characters of hymenial cystidia, etc.). They seem to be almost identical morphologically and ecologically, although G.orientispectabilis may be distinguishedfromG.junoniusin having somewhat smaller basidiospores and stipes that are joined at the base and arise from a common, thickf leshed, obconic or root-like tissue buried in soil. The photo by K. Yokoyama identified as G. spectabilis in Imazeki et al. (1988, p. 268, lower) shows this latter feature strikingly in a specimen from Mount Taiko, Kyoto prefecture. Phylogenetically, based on ITS and LSU sequence data, G. orientispectabilis forms a separate clade showing a sister relationship to G. junonius; it may also differ from G. junonius in the presence of hallucinogenic compounds (Tanaka et al. 1993). Our phylogram based on ITS sequence data indicates that the “G. spectabilis” complex in Japan, China, and the Russian Far East includes another apparently undescribed species (represented by sequences JF961371, KT368688, KY434167, MK214403, and MK795847) that is phylogenetically distinct from G. orientispectabilis, showing a closer relationship to the North American G. luteus than to the European G. junonius. The photo by M. Izawa identified as G. spectabilis in Imazeki et al. (1988, p. 268, upperright) may represent this species,to which we give the informal clade name /sororiluteus because we lack specimens on which to describe it as a new species. It is possible that a third species of the complex grows on conifers in northern Japan, as suggested by the photo by R. Yahagi identified as G.spectabilis in Imazeki et al. (1988, p. 268, upper left). Further study of this complex in Japan is warranted. Morphological differences between G.orientispectabilis and other species of the G. junonius complex are shown in the key, below."
You can find the full publication here https://cdnsciencepub.com/doi/10.1139/cjb-2020-0006
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Re: Are these giant laughing Jim’s [Re: donjonson420]
#26978099 - 10/10/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can’t find any information on just how poison they may be? Any help is that info even out there?
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Most likely "poisonous," in the sense that it's hallucinogenic. After all on the most primitive of levels psilocin and other compounds are the plants defense mechanism from being eaten. In other words you eat it and it causes you to hallucinate and you fall in a river and drown or become disoriented and eaten by a bear...so on so forth. I highly doubt they contain lethal toxins that destroy your liver or kidneys like species of amanita, lepiota, inocybe or galerina. We would have more reports of people with complications and current scientific studies don't support it. The article states that it likely contains hallucinogenic compounds. With anything you consume there is always the risk of an allergic reaction so start with small amounts and wait a full 24hrs to see if you notice any problems. I've consumed them numerous times with virtually no issues. They do produce a mild hangover like effect for me the following day so they may contain something mildly 'toxic' but I can only speak to what grows here in the eastern US. The preferred method of consumption is a to make a tea to avoid the bitterness.
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Re: Are these giant laughing Jim’s [Re: donjonson420]
#26978284 - 10/10/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Until you wrote this I never thought of psilocybin as a defense mechanism but a way to communicate with humans or they somehow had a symbiotic relationship teaching humans to love nature. To think a laughing Jim could contain something other than psilocybin that makes people hallucinate is kind of crazy. It’s like a whole new not really explored forefront.
Your comment really made me think man I never thought of it as a defense thing but to kind of teach love for the mushroom even though some will give you the most painful experiences on earth if not finish you.
Going to be hard to get that thought out of my head psilo isn’t gods ultimate gift to humans
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It can certainly be beneficial to ones mental health if used in the right way in my own experience. I liken it to more of a near death experience at high doses. In biology, survival is the name of the game. Most foods we commonly eat and view as "healthy," contain many defenses and compounds against being eaten that are detrimental to our health. Kale, Beets and chaga are extremely high in 'oxalates' known to bind to calcium and cause kidney stones and death, nuts and seeds are high in phytic acid which impairs the absorption of iron, zinc and calcium and may promote mineral deficiencies, Glucosinolates in cruciferous vegetables can prevent the absorption of iodine and even the old button mushroom agaricus bisporus contain hemaggluttinins, red kidney beans phytohemagglutin, lima beans cyanide. These are just a few examples off the top of my head that may open your mind and give you a different perspective on what you've been eating. Most of these compounds can be eliminated when prepared properly i.e. soaked, blanched, cooked for long periods etc. and pose no risk. As far as psilocybin being gods gift...the jury is still out. Let us know how it goes.
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Re: Are these giant laughing Jim’s [Re: donjonson420]
#26978863 - 10/10/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Checked out your profile and you have done some serious work with these things even going as far as buying a microscope and helping many people over identify it. I really appreciate your work. In Japan it’s highly illegal so I would never eat or make tea or consume any of these. If Somebody did I’m sure It’s active even at a low dose. It definitely dosnt get the name big big laughing mushroom for nothing there is definitely meaning behind that . It’s fairly common as well in October here as I have seen it numerous places. I have yet to see some of the absolute gigantic specimens seen on the net but will continue looking.
This is def not a beginner one and I’m sure a lot of people have been poisoned from misidentify of this. There are a lot of yellow rust oranges things and to a person who dosnt study would be far faetched to understand what makes this what it is. Anyways one of the coolest looking ones for sure.
For Japanese pics please copy オオワライタケ into your search image for pictures oowaraitake
Video of a dude holding a monster
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Whoa beautiful specimen! I appreciate your kind words. Here's the contact info of the Japanese author involved in the most recent study. Perhaps he would be able to clarify things alittle further if you were to reach out. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Eiji_Nagasawa
Cheers!
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