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POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 DRIED grams of Psilocybin?
    #26977164 - 10/09/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

For this poll, 'Mystical Experience' is defined as:
"a direct experience of transcendent reality or God, especially by means of contemplation and asceticism instead of rational thought"

And also as having these qualities:

Profound sense of unity or contact with the Reality,
Conscious awareness on the part of the individual about his/her spiritual quest or journey,
Feeling that the experience cannot be expressed through language,
Refinement of intuitive faculty and using intuition as a means to seeking an end,
Ecstasy and sense of wholeness.


I assume the result will be an overwhelming 'yes'.  Hoping to get at least 30 responses.

**EDIT** If you have had a mystical experience on psilocybin, but it was more or less than 3.5 grams, let me know the dose! 

Thank you!
Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 grams of Psilocybin?
Users may choose 2 (32 total votes)
Yes
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17 53%
No
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15 47%
Votes accepted from (10/09/20 12:00 PM) to (10/17/20 11:57 AM)
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Edited by NOUS333 (10/10/20 08:25 AM)


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 grams of Psilocybin? [Re: NOUS333]
    #26977626 - 10/09/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Should be "ANY DOSE OF PSILOCYBIN" cause people all vary in their tolerance, mushrooms all vary in their potency.  Also say "3.5 grams dried mushrooms" 'cause 3.5 gms of Psilocybin is like 3-4 K of fresh fruit. :laugh2:


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 grams of Psilocybin? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26978134 - 10/10/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Should be "ANY DOSE OF PSILOCYBIN" cause people all vary in their tolerance, mushrooms all vary in their potency.  Also say "3.5 grams dried mushrooms" 'cause 3.5 gms of Psilocybin is like 3-4 K of fresh fruit. :laugh2:




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Should be "ANY DOSE OF PSILOCYBIN" cause people all vary in their tolerance, mushrooms all vary in their potency.  Also say "3.5 grams dried mushrooms" 'cause 3.5 gms of Psilocybin is like 3-4 K of fresh fruit. :laugh2:




you are right.  I should have said dried.  And I was going to just do any dose but this is for a statistics class and probability needs to be the same for each trial.... Figured setting a specific dose would gather data that was more equal in probability.  I might make a new poll later.


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 grams of Psilocybin? [Re: NOUS333]
    #26978146 - 10/10/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Along with what Primal said, I think it's important to quantify what you mean by a mystical experience if you are looking for people who have had a specific experience.

A "mystical" experience can mean different things to very different people. Must it have contained some sort of god entity? Must there have been a sense of "ego death"? Etc.

Anyway, to answer your question, I have had one "mystical" experience, as I would quantify it, on 3.5g (but I believe the setting had an enormous influence on it). No subsequent 3.5g experience has been "mystical" to me (again, mystical meaning how I define it, not necessarily how another would.)

I had a much more intense experience on 1.5g of APE and it was incredible (and difficult). However, I would not classify as mystical (although I feel it was just as important if not more than if I did have a mystical experience).


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 grams of Psilocybin? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26978379 - 10/10/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Along with what Primal said, I think it's important to quantify what you mean by a mystical experience if you are looking for people who have had a specific experience.

A "mystical" experience can mean different things to very different people. Must it have contained some sort of god entity? Must there have been a sense of "ego death"? Etc.

Anyway, to answer your question, I have had one "mystical" experience, as I would quantify it, on 3.5g (but I believe the setting had an enormous influence on it). No subsequent 3.5g experience has been "mystical" to me (again, mystical meaning how I define it, not necessarily how another would.)

I had a much more intense experience on 1.5g of APE and it was incredible (and difficult). However, I would not classify as mystical (although I feel it was just as important if not more than if I did have a mystical experience).




I provided a definition of what I mean by 'mystical experience' in initial post.

But thanks for the reply.  I think setting often has a lot more to do with the experience than the dose.  I myself have not really taken mushrooms in quite some time because I reached a point where I could sort of bring on myself what the mushrooms always brought on.  I knew they were just going to make me face all my bullshit and lies to myself, and eventually I just decided hey, why not skip the terrifying madness and just be honest with yourself.  Really look at yourself.  Ever since I reached this point, I think I have had many 'mystical experiences' while sober... but the context of my life in those moments had everything to do with bringing these experiences on.  I think when I initially began using mushrooms, I never took into account the context of my life, I never paid any attention to what was going on.... what I had been getting involved with, what I had been doing that may not be in my best interest.. I was chasing some abstract idea of spirituality and enlightenment completely unaware at that time that those concepts apply to the every day here and now, the substance that a person already is.   

The last time I dabbled with taking mushrooms I was taking microdoses and even those would send me into a headspace one could consider mystical.  It's definitely different for everyone.  Like I said in previous post I only really set the 3.5 standard to keep my statistics teacher happy.


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 grams of Psilocybin? [Re: NOUS333] * 3
    #26978439 - 10/10/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I can't say I have done 3.5 gms though I may have in the past.
I usually have had transcendent or mystical experiences but the nature of them has changed.

initially I would review the wheel of life and while exhilarating calmly in my peak, I would be unable to find words to describe the instantaneous knowing that the suffering of all beings was impermanent and that they were all so close to the same glorious realization but have not yet pulled back the veil.

this used to make me feel an essential compassionate sweet remorse and I would try to be a kind bodhisattva for a few hours until the dust settled.

now I still loose the ability to find exact words, and this may be endemic to having too many simultaneous thoughts that words fail to fit the net layered results of overlapping images and feelings. Most of my peaks these days are less messianic and more patient observations of natural phenomena, beautiful thatness etc.


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 grams of Psilocybin? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26978453 - 10/10/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Pretty much :whathesaid:, plus some others that cannot be conveyed whatsoever.


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 grams of Psilocybin? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26978638 - 10/10/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yup, learn to flow with it.


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 DRIED grams of Psilocybin? [Re: NOUS333]
    #26978759 - 10/10/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Mystical experience is a tricky term, because it can mean so many different things to so many different people.
going by this definition:

"a direct experience of transcendent reality or God, especially by means of contemplation and asceticism instead of rational thought"

Not sure about transcendent reality, transcending what? Definitely no experience of a god, as far as I know (surely if there is a god, we are constantly experiencing it in a way). I would say I have had heightened experiences of this world, as compared to sober reality, and often accompanied by strong emotion, strange visuals and what often seems to be -and sometimes is- insight.

After a couple of dozen trips at various doses (only about half were mushrooms,the rest were LSD) I'm not sure I would agree that I have had a mystical experience, as none of what occurred defies consensus reality or totally evades language (though I admit these states are very tricky to language, but then, so is all human experience. Language is always a somewhat futile exercise in capturing the ineffable thing that is every day life.)

tldr: I'm not sure, I voted no, though I have had very emotionally impacting experiences, they mostly reinforced the reality of the physical world rather than undermined it


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 DRIED grams of Psilocybin? [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #26978787 - 10/10/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I've read a few different definitions of mystical experience, and when a 'transcendent reality' is mentioned, it usually means a reality that exists beyond the everyday reality most people are familiar with.  An all encompassing reality that is for the most part ignored and/or unknown by the majority.  The 'ONE' reality, universal reality, the ultimate reality etc.


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 DRIED grams of Psilocybin? [Re: NOUS333]
    #26978937 - 10/10/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I had an extremely religious experience that helped me understand my christian faith better, and some of the experience was OBE for short periods. I seen how Godds consciousness is connected to everything and what eternity feels like. No time, just now for ever. It was probably the most peaceful moment of my life at that point all those years ago.


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 DRIED grams of Psilocybin? [Re: CoryInJapan] * 1
    #26978959 - 10/10/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

That's a no from me. My understanding of "mystical" is pretty crazy, I don't think 3.5g is enough to get there because with 3.5g you're still definitely on earth.

5g, on the other hand, and you're somewhere in your own head even if you haven't ego deathed and still know you're on earth. I'd call that mystical

P.S. you meant shrooms – 3.5g psilocybin is 117x 30mg which is what a one study actually called "mystical"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5772431/


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 DRIED grams of Psilocybin? [Re: NOUS333]
    #26978964 - 10/10/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I've read a few different definitions of mystical experience, and when a 'transcendent reality' is mentioned, it usually means a reality that exists beyond the everyday reality most people are familiar with.  An all encompassing reality that is for the most part ignored and/or unknown by the majority.  The 'ONE' reality, universal reality, the ultimate reality etc.




going by that definition then I definitely have not. I've experienced some things that seemed like 'other realities' but nothing about them indicated they were real.

I have not however tried DMT or doses higher than 4.5 g of mushrooms, so its likely I've just never gone far out enough. I tend to be very physically grounded in trips


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 DRIED grams of Psilocybin? [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #26978974 - 10/10/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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NOUS333 said:
I've read a few different definitions of mystical experience, and when a 'transcendent reality' is mentioned, it usually means a reality that exists beyond the everyday reality most people are familiar with.  An all encompassing reality that is for the most part ignored and/or unknown by the majority.  The 'ONE' reality, universal reality, the ultimate reality etc.




going by that definition then I definitely have not. I've experienced some things that seemed like 'other realities' but nothing about them indicated they were real.

I have not however tried DMT or doses higher than 4.5 g of mushrooms, so its likely I've just never gone far out enough. I tend to be very physically grounded in trips




Work with Ayahuasca for a bit, you'll get there. Heck i think even Psilohuasca can get you there.


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 DRIED grams of Psilocybin? [Re: CoryInJapan]
    #26980039 - 10/11/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I had an extremely religious experience that helped me understand my christian faith better, and some of the experience was OBE for short periods. I seen how Godds consciousness is connected to everything and what eternity feels like. No time, just now for ever. It was probably the most peaceful moment of my life at that point all those years ago.




but all those years ago might as well be right now still....right? :shocked:


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 DRIED grams of Psilocybin? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26980049 - 10/11/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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That's a no from me. My understanding of "mystical" is pretty crazy, I don't think 3.5g is enough to get there because with 3.5g you're still definitely on earth.

5g, on the other hand, and you're somewhere in your own head even if you haven't ego deathed and still know you're on earth. I'd call that mystical

P.S. you meant shrooms – 3.5g psilocybin is 117x 30mg which is what a one study actually called "mystical"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5772431/




Your right. 

I had trouble with that myself... I was sort of trying to be as clear as I could be incase I end up having to screen shot the initial post for my class.  I didn't want my teacher to freak out if it said 'mushrooms'.  I figured most people here would know what I meant. 

And, I would agree about the 3.5 not being enough for most people. I chose 3.5 because I feel like that is the most common dose.  In my experience talking to people and just observing posts here, it doesn't seem that common for people to actually take more than 3.5g.  I could be wrong though..


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 DRIED grams of Psilocybin? [Re: NOUS333]
    #26980110 - 10/11/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It depends on the 3.5 g themselves more than the dosage.  It's pretty much my testing dose for new strains - if that make the leap to hyperspace at that level then they're cleared for further propagation.  If not they're compost.  So yeah it's a good level and yeah it yields mystical experiences (mostly however you define it) but my sense was you were trying to find out if 3.5 g was enough for most people not how many people experience mystical results from mushrooms.  And to me that's still unclear. :shrug:


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 grams of Psilocybin? [Re: NOUS333]
    #26981074 - 10/12/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I provided a definition of what I mean by 'mystical experience' in initial post.





My apologies, I had skimmed over it as I was quickly replying before returning to work.

But to reiterate, I guess not entirely. I have, on 3.5g cubes and 1.5g of APE experienced these (from your list):

  • Profound sense of unity or contact with the Reality,

  • Feeling that the experience cannot be expressed through language,

  • Ecstasy and sense of wholeness.


I have not experienced a sense of a "God", although that may be because I am an atheist (although that may not be an accurate description as I am spiritual, seeing the mushroom as a "God" but not believeing in the standard judeo-christian notion of "God")


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 grams of Psilocybin? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26981084 - 10/12/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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It depends on the 3.5 g themselves more than the dosage.  It's pretty much my testing dose for new strains - if that make the leap to hyperspace at that level then they're cleared for further propagation.  If not they're compost.  So yeah it's a good level and yeah it yields mystical experiences (mostly however you define it) but my sense was you were trying to find out if 3.5 g was enough for most people not how many people experience mystical results from mushrooms.  And to me that's still unclear. :shrug:




My original intent was to get a good idea of how often psilocybin produces a mystical experience in people who use it. 

I only indicated 3.5g to try and make it seem legit for the statistics project.  Because probability is supposed to be the same in each trial, if some people reported a mystical experience on 5 grams while others reported one on 3.5 grams, the probability would not be equal in that case and my teacher might not want to give me credit. 


Perhaps I should have said 4 grams or more but like I said I don't feel like a lot of people are out there taking that much.  And I also think mystical experience has more to do with the individual than the dose... but I would also say most individuals need a higher dose.


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Re: POLL: Have you had a mystical experience on 3.5 grams of Psilocybin? [Re: NOUS333]
    #26981701 - 10/12/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You could just require people to measure the absolute dose of psilocybin that they ingested, but that would add some difficulty.  :laugh2:


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