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Need Experts-Stalling, slow/uneven growth, weak potency fruits
    #26975090 - 10/08/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I need so much help... My very first attempt at a grow. Using PF Tek, 6 BRF cakes inoculated with PES Hawaiian obtained from a sponsor. Uneven growth during colonizing, with many stalls throughout. On day 36, after stalling a 3rd time for a week and a half, I decided to birth jars that were 85/95% colonized. I believe jars may have been packed a little too tight among other things.

Birthed, dunked 24 hours, rolled. Put in SGFC. Sprayed and fanned every 4/6 hours. temperature kept between 70-75, humidity between 90-95%. Observed "fuzzy feet." First pins on day 8 after birth, on one cake only. On day 12 after birth, no other cakes have pinned, but the one that did is  quickly developing a cluster around the bottom. Cakes feel light and seem dry, and I learn that having the ceiling fan on was a big no no and certainly dried them out. I re dunk the 5 slowpokes for 14 hours and place back in SGFC. On day 13 veils have broke and I harvest one cake. Altogether fruits weigh 32.1 g wet. I store them in brown paper bag in fridge to be consumed the next day. Meanwhile, no signs of life on other cakes 2 days after re dunk. Fruiting chamber has smelled faintly of fresh mushrooms throughout (no observable signs of contams.)

I ate all 32 g of fresh shrooms yesterday on an empty stomach. After 3 hours I am completely disappointed to realize there will be no trip. I felt as though I was on the verge of it, and possibly 10 g or so more could have made the difference.

Today is day 15 after birth, day 3 after re dunk. I see some very small, lonely pins (all from the bottoms)on a couple of the cakes.

With the disappointing potency of what I've already harvested and ate, and 15 days after birth, is it worth it to continue to try to bring the remaining cakes to fruit, or should I just wash my hands of this and try again with a different strain and the knowledge I've gained through trial and error? What could I have done wrong to have made the potency so weak?

Mistakes I've noted that I will change next time:
General impatience
Jars possibly packed too tight
Low temp (70-75) first two weeks colonizing
Minimal FAE first two weeks colonizing
Did not have holes on bottom of SGFC
Not enough perlite (2-2.5 inches)
Ceiling fan was on 24/7 for a week after birth

Thank you for any and all advice.



SGFC (right after mist/fan)

Day 15 after birth

Day 15 after birth

1st pins I later harvested

Jars 3 days before birth (stalled)

3 days before birth (stalled)

3 days before birth (stalled)

Mod edit; do not mention spore vendors by name or link to them in mushroom cultivation. Thanks.


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Re: Need Experts-Stalling, slow/uneven growth, weak potency fruits [Re: xmonsterbullyx]
    #26975166 - 10/08/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

None of those jars really look healthy. The thick ice cream look usually indicates bacteria, which is very common in spore syringes in my experience. The bottom jar looks like it had some mold in there as well. And the very long colonization times and stalling also tell you there was something going on.

Potency could’ve been genetic. I don’t know if potency is affected by negative growing conditions/contaminant organisms. Cacti produce more mescaline when stressed, or at least some do. Mushrooms seem to like being healthy though and everything they do they do better when you have clean spawn. Or an axenic culture as pasty likes to say. Meaning nothing but cubensis mycelium (in this case)

I like to eat my mushrooms as soon as picked or start drying right away to stop oxidation of actives. “They” say you can store them in the fridge for a few days without harm but maybe you had already weak mush genetically, weakened more by conditions, and then sitting in the fridge allowed the last bits of actives to drop below said threshold.

If you really want to continue to grow and have mushrooms on hand for any dosage, any time, for any amount of people, you need to use agar to ensure a clean culture. Once you have that you can use grains which work best with bulk sub and grow tons.

If you want to stick with cakes and syringes I’d suggest using several different syringes and doing groups of 6 cakes or whatever with each. That way you better your chances of having a clean set of jars. And if they all make it that’s an awesome problem to have.

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Re: Need Experts-Stalling, slow/uneven growth, weak potency fruits [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26975261 - 10/08/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The jars probably stalled because they’re the wrong kind, tall ones like that have problems.

Imo fruiting cakes is way more difficult than making a shoebox when you’re starting out. Once you know what good conditions look like and how to dial your stuff in then cakes might be easy but until then it’s tough.

I know some people disagree but I would say you should either use wbs or make more pf cakes and shred them into coir in a shoebox tub. The shoebox is way easier to do and much more forgiving if you mess up a little bit.


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Re: Need Experts-Stalling, slow/uneven growth, weak potency fruits [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26975620 - 10/08/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for your opinion, I'll take everything into consideration for my future grow. As far as slow growth (after birthing) it appears drying out had some effect because all are getting first pins 3 days after a re dunk. I don't know if I want to waste time developing then any further due to potency.

Next round is going to be PF Tek again because I still have 3 various syringes to use. At least I know what changes to make.

The non-trip was hugely disappointing as I have taken this project on to have a steady supply to help with my crippling depression. Meds and other treatments have failed while psilocybin and lsd have helped tremendously. I guess if first you don't succeed...


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Re: Need Experts-Stalling, slow/uneven growth, weak potency fruits [Re: A.k.a]
    #26975625 - 10/08/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I am going to find the short jars for round 2 and I actually was considering shredding next time. Thanks for the tips.


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