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ID request, Pacific Northwest, p cyanescens?
    #26972194 - 10/06/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Pacific Northwest, September

Habitat:
wood chips

Gills:
gills caramel color, attached

Stem:
Length 3-5 cm, diameter .5 cm, caramel color, scaly texture, annulus (see picture)

Cap:
Diameter 1-4cm, caramel color, covex, broadly umbonate and uplifted (see picture)

Spore print color:
dark brown (see picture)

Bruising:
seems to shimmer blueish (see picture)



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Re: ID request, Pacific Northwest, p cyanescens? [Re: k4n]
    #26972253 - 10/06/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I dont think ps. Cyanescens has a prominent annulus like that...they have a cortina if i remember correctly.

Not 100% certain what they are but im 100% certain they are not ps cyanescens


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Re: ID request, Pacific Northwest, p cyanescens? [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26972279 - 10/06/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Those look a lot like P.ovoideocystidiata.  How do they smell?


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Re: ID request, Pacific Northwest, p cyanescens? [Re: elpico]
    #26972322 - 10/06/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

P. stuntzii has a ring and grows in clusters. Can’t say for sure but the spore print is promising. Stropharia have a similar print but I’m certain these are not those.


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Re: ID request, Pacific Northwest, p cyanescens? [Re: HSapiensAmericanus]
    #26972330 - 10/06/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

These are not a Psilocybe species. The colors are wrong, they don't appear to be hygrophanous, and there's no blue bruising at all. That "shimmer" is the purple-brown spores.


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Re: ID request, Pacific Northwest, p cyanescens? [Re: Phenotype]
    #26972375 - 10/06/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think we need clarification on spore color. Is it brown or purple brown?


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Re: ID request, Pacific Northwest, p cyanescens? [Re: HSapiensAmericanus]
    #26972390 - 10/06/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Spore color is dark brown.  Doesn't seem to be purple.
Did not recognize distinct smell (it's hard to specify in words).


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Re: ID request, Pacific Northwest, p cyanescens? [Re: k4n]
    #26972423 - 10/06/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That's what a purple-brown spore print looks like. See the purple dusting on some of the caps? That's also a spore print.


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Re: ID request, Pacific Northwest, p cyanescens? [Re: Phenotype]
    #26972513 - 10/06/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Phenotype said:
These are not a Psilocybe species. The colors are wrong, they don't appear to be hygrophanous, and there's no blue bruising at all. That "shimmer" is the purple-brown spores.





I agree - when dried they look good, but when wet it's very telling.  No noticable bruising, which if they were ovoids or some sort of alleni then they would have obvious bruising.  I'm guessing some sort of Psathyrella, when I was in the PNW that's what I remember those looking like when searching for cyans etc.

Definitely not ovoids or cyans, I do not think they are psilocybe either.


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Re: ID request, Pacific Northwest, p cyanescens? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #26972908 - 10/06/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like a Psilocybe to me they're clearly bruised in the last photo.  Probably stuntzii due to the prominent annulus but I don't have any direct experience with this one so I'll defer to someone who does.


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Re: ID request, Pacific Northwest, p cyanescens? [Re: donjonson420]
    #26972928 - 10/06/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I’d say stuntzii. Look at the bluing on the annulus in 3rd & 5th pic. Blue ringer, it’s indicative. I don’t know what else they could be.


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Re: ID request, Pacific Northwest, p cyanescens? [Re: HSapiensAmericanus]
    #26972949 - 10/06/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'm convinced that these are ovoids, based on the following features:
decurrrent gills; whitish hollow stems; insanely dense clusters w/ overlapping/upturned caps.  If OP would grab a fresh specimen and crush the stem, the smell would be unmistakable(something between a pungent flower and dog piss).  The ovoids I've seen on the west coast have an unusual staining reaction.  Fresh specimens may show almost no bluing except for the annulus.  On handling, the stems bruise very faintly blue/green, and sometimes fade to a grayish/black with the blue no longer apparent.  Here are a couple photos of west coast ovoids fruiting in woodchips, for the sake of comparison:





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Re: ID request, Pacific Northwest, p cyanescens? [Re: elpico]
    #26972972 - 10/06/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Certainly could be ovoids.  They do look a bit different on the west and the annulus is usually more pronounced in the fall on both coasts.  It would also explain the whitish cap colors as well.


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Re: ID request, Pacific Northwest, p cyanescens? [Re: elpico]
    #26972974 - 10/06/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I can definitely see the bluish bruise in some of them (very obvious on the stipe of the foremost mushroom on cluster of third picture) and some of the dried ones (middle and two at the bottom). The spore print is definitely purple-brown.

I've also collected P. ovoideocystidiata that looked like this when a bit dry.

I know you wanted to dry them more but try leaving one of them in the middle of a moist paper towel, I was able to get some extra bruising both on paper and stipes from them like that.


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Re: ID request, Pacific Northwest, p cyanescens? [Re: shroower]
    #26973022 - 10/06/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Well at least we agree on Sec. Stuntzae. Everything is judgment and assumption without putting it under a scope. But while we’re at it, I almost think the weakness of the bluing reaction is more typical of stuntzii.


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Re: ID request, Pacific Northwest, p cyanescens? [Re: HSapiensAmericanus]
    #26973031 - 10/06/20 10:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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HSapiensAmericanus said:
I almost think the weakness of the bluing reaction is more typical of stuntzii.




Eh that might be a dead giveaway indeed, ovoids would probably be staining the whole goddamn paper in blue :popcorn:


Edited by shroower (10/06/20 10:47 PM)


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Re: ID request, Pacific Northwest, p cyanescens? [Re: shroower]
    #26973047 - 10/06/20 11:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata to me


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