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christopera said: Let's hope it gets struck down so the Dems get a second shot at it when they control all three branches.
The Dems don’t control the Supreme Court, so court packing will be required or any new plan will be struck down
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: His executive order said this:
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(c) My Administration has been dedicated to providing better care for all Americans.
This includes a steadfast commitment to always protecting individuals with pre-existing conditions and ensuring they have access to the high-quality healthcare they deserve. No American should have to risk going without health insurance based on a health history that he or she cannot change.

The only reason why preexisting conditions are still covered is because John Roberts pushed the court to retain that part of the ACA. Trump was trying to eliminate it completely. Why pay any attention to something Trump said when it deviates from reality. He routinely says one thing then says the opposite seconds later.
Because falcon is a propagandist
If trump and the republicans had any interest in creating an alternative healthcare plan they would have already. They had two years with full control and trump has been president for four, but falcon thinks one paragraph of toothless rhetoric is a great start.
Does anyone truly believe a man as pathologically lazy and disinterested in policy details as Trump has the capability to come up with a competent healthcare plan?
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
#26972072 - 10/06/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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christopera said: Let's hope it gets struck down so the Dems get a second shot at it when they control all three branches.
The Dems don’t control the Supreme Court, so court packing will be required or any new plan will be struck down
The reason I think striking it down makes sense is that it sets better precedent for a new system. One that hopefully will help more people, but also be more legally robust.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
#26972078 - 10/06/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Because falcon is a propagandist
I know you HATE it when I point out things like Trump's executive order, and you start calling me names like "propagandist". If you don't like facts, go start your own "Political Forum Make Believe Club"
I don't disagree with Brian's post at all, and he got the point across without getting into name calling; something you should try.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
#26972080 - 10/06/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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DC just reported the highest number of new cases since June. We’ve been doing 40-50 a day then suddenly we’re over 100. No doubt the White House is responsible for a good chunk of this
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/dc-reports-105-new-coronavirus-cases-in-one-day-period-highest-one-day-spike-since-june
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koods said: Because falcon is a propagandist
I know you HATE it when I point out things like Trump's executive order, and you start calling me names like "propagandist". If you don't like facts, go start your own "Political Forum Make Believe Club"
I don't disagree with Brian's post at all, and he got the point across without getting into name calling; something you should try.
You posted the executive order as if it matters. It exists only so suckers can cite it as proof trump is doing something. It’s make believe.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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I know, and I said so above. Yet you still resorted to name calling.
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Executive orders aren't law.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
#26972118 - 10/06/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I KNOW THAT.
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But I think you are taking his executive orders too seriously. They are disallowed by Judges far more than those of other Presidents.
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Probably confused with Russian executive orders where Putin can resign the whole government and appoint a new PM with a 2 sentence document.
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Brian Jones said: But I think you are taking his executive orders too seriously. They are disallowed by Judges far more than those of other Presidents.
I understand, but let's follow the discussion:
birdeatingspider said: Also, can anyone explain what will happen to the millions of people depending on obamacare if Trump is reelected? flugelizor said: Well, I'm not an expert, but I will give you my understanding of it: Trump signed some paper declaring that americans with pre-existing conditions will remain covered by their health insurance plan. birdeatingspider said: Was this that blank piece of paper he signed with a sharpie? flugelizor said: No, he did it about a month ago. Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: His executive order said this: ...
Now, what I did was show it wasn't a "blank piece of paper he signed with a sharpie".
But people are upset that I bothered explaining this.
Get it?
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But you didn’t say it was empty rhetoric. You didn’t say it was make believe. You said congress should “go along” with it to protect people with prexisting conditions.
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I took my time before reflecting on the recent events here. As some of you may know I have been critical of the PR side of Trump's response to the pandemic. I feel that he projected no consistent strategy, uncomfortably navigating between appearing to support the more alarmist specialists to appease the worried populace and his personal, more upbeat but also polarising style. As a result he looked wrong footed all the time and it was hard to take much inspiration from his public performance. There is a certain unifying quality we expect of our leaders in crisis times and it was missing. I also believe that he did not take full advantage of the American ingenuity to put together a comprehensive, federal sponsored, testing system which would be a good thing to have in many possible pandemic scenarios, including the one which has unfolded.
So it is a C- from me for the inconsistent messaging and lack of focus on testing. But when it comes to the strategic assessment his judgement appears to have been sound. The EU countries which, by and large, followed the "science" and locked down properly are currently experiencing the resurgence of the virus - mainly the case numbers, less so the lethality. This is because Covid appears to be more contagious but less deadly than we initially thought - I am talking in February/March, when the long term game plan got locked in. On the spectrum of the possible responses this combination favours variants of the "herd immunity" approach, by making containment/control strategies more difficult and costly while also minimising the human cost of not locking down. The way things have played out working on therapeutics and vaccines has always been the right approach, accompanied by slowing down the spread just enough not to allow the ICUs to be overwhelmed. So I think that Trump's basic instinct was on target but his PR response woeful.
I have to mention here that I am not blaming Trump for the characteristics of Covid. It is not like he could have changed how keen it is to spread by behaving better in front of the cameras. In all likelihood had the US locked down for long enough to squeeze the new infections down to where the EU were a month ago we would have now been where the EU are now - out of magic bullets and still in the shit. So Trump had to play the deck he was assigned and did so in below average style but with what now appears to be the right strategy from the beginning.
Then he got infected and things changed in my view. This personal angle made him more relatable. In a twisted sense he is leading from the front and I like the message of resilience being projected. The framing that is missing in the media is that no country similar to the US (the EU with 450 million population, personal freedows and individual states with its own governance are the closest) managed to control the virus. The countries which are on top of things are autocratic (China, NK), disciplined and obedient (Japan, SK) or island nations (Taiwan, NZ, Iceland). The US is none of the above so we never stood a chance.
Then Trump went on a ride around the hospital and I thought "this is what leaders do - they show fearlessness and resilience in the face of adversity". But the media covered a different event and mainly focussed on the two securtity guys in the car with Trump. The reality is that the President makes decisions affecting many lives in a very dramatic way. By moving thousands of troops between the war zones he changes the risk profile they face 24/7 for years on end. Any visit anywhere involves the arrangments which put people in harm's way - there are choppers in the air, motorcades speeding around, agents exposed to hazards in the line of duty. Many of these events have only PR value but we believe that it is ok to expose some people to some risk to make the nation feel better. In the scheme of things two masked agents (who had signed up to take a bullet for the President if needed), with the masked President in the back seat for half an hour does not even register against the risk people normally get exposed to with a stroke of Presidential pen.
Churchill appeared in public many times during the war. There is no doubt he exposed himself and others to risk by doing so but his compatriots saw it as a morale boosting PR exercise - and it worked for them in the end. But we are all like timid sheep, trying to hide away from reality in the safety of our homes equipped with internet-connected devices. People have to go out or else things will fall apart and Trump's bold message of resilience does resonate with me. For the first time in this sorry episode he is looking both strong and inspiring.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo] 2
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The DOW swung like 600 points over a tweet announcing no second stimulus until after the election. Trump is trying to lose.
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Trump just 100% lost the election today. What a buffoon
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
#26972359 - 10/06/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: But you didn’t say it was empty rhetoric. You didn’t say it was make believe.
And I didn't say a lot of things about Trump. What I did was point out that he didn't sign a blank piece of paper with a sharpie.
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koods said: You said congress should “go along” with it to protect people with prexisting conditions.
Actually, YOU said "those with pre existing conditions won’t be able to buy insurance because an executive order is not a law that insurers have to follow". I said that depends on Congress.
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christopera said: The DOW swung like 600 points over a tweet announcing no second stimulus until after the election. Trump is trying to lose.
Let's not mention how we they have to cock jam a life time Supreme Court appointment thru weeks before a fucking presidential election but yah we have to wait till after the election when people are destitute to think about cutting another measly pittance of a check for the American working public but write an open inventation to fraud and corruption to the corporate sleezebags and conmen
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christopera said: The DOW swung like 600 points over a tweet announcing no second stimulus until after the election. Trump is trying to lose.

THIS is the kind of thing we should be talking about when we talk about Trump.   
NOT the constant make believe I keep pointing out.
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Trump hasn’t been involved anyways. He just gets a piece of paper and signs it whether it is blank or not.
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