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Re: experimental use of GreenCure to destroy Trichoderma *DELETED* [Re: 1nsomnium]
    #16524589 - 07/13/12 09:19 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: experimental use of GreenCure to destroy Trichoderma [Re: Wiscoregon]
    #16524610 - 07/13/12 09:29 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

update - fail.  Trich wins again.  Pics to come.  more experimentation is needed.  Definitely doesn't kill the mycellium.  i'm going to try using it on my substrates instead of salt paste when applicable for trich outbreaks.  actually I hit a spot that looked sharp (could just be pinning combined with intense bluing) on a fruiting PE tub, checked this AM and looks really good. no change, bruised blue where I sprayed it.  Honestly so far my research into this has been really promising.  I'd really love to hear others give it a whirl for their trich probs.  Maybe up the dose to 2tbsp/gal for dunks...??

more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_bicarbonate

Potassium bicarbonate 0.1N 8.2
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Re: experimental use of GreenCure to destroy Trichoderma [Re: Wiscoregon]
    #16524673 - 07/13/12 09:52 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Honestly so far my research into this has been really promising.




Did I miss something?


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Re: experimental use of GreenCure to destroy Trichoderma [Re: Doc_T]
    #16524728 - 07/13/12 10:14 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

nope...:wink:

this is clearly a meaningless substance will little to no value in fungus cultivation.  Its probably best you ignore it all together while providing little if any useful information to the discussion.

besides its all about finding the right concentration anyway.  If the guy who threw gypsum in his first batch stopped @ 1% and said - fuck - this doesn't work - and listened to some dude nearby who in a passing glance said "am i missing something here" - we'd never stand to benefit.  In other words, why don't you try it out for yourself before you begin doubting other peoples investigations into what appears on the exterior to be a scientifically worthwhile investigation into a food grade substance found in tonic water that might kill trich and leave mycellium unharmed....

just my 2 cents.


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Re: experimental use of GreenCure to destroy Trichoderma [Re: Wiscoregon]
    #16524817 - 07/13/12 10:44 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Dr. Horst’s research validated the power of Potassium Bicarbonate as an effective way to kill mold spores and prevent them from taking root.



Isn't it only claiming to stop spores from germinating? I know there are fungicides out there that will prevent mold but are ineffective if the mold is already there. Trich spreads with spores but also spreads through mycelial growth so simply killing the spores won't stop the mold from continuing to colonize your jar.


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Re: experimental use of GreenCure to destroy Trichoderma [Re: Wiscoregon]
    #16524824 - 07/13/12 10:46 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Wiscoregon said:
nope...:wink:

this is clearly a meaningless substance will little to no value in fungus cultivation.  Its probably best you ignore it all together while providing little if any useful information to the discussion.

just my 2 cents.




No need to be snarky. I see a contaminated jar. What did I miss?


Also, potassium bicarbonate will kill your mycelium.


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Re: experimental use of GreenCure to destroy Trichoderma [Re: Kizzle]
    #16524842 - 07/13/12 10:51 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Kizzle said:
Trich spreads with spores but also spreads through mycelial growth so simply killing the spores won't stop the mold from continuing to colonize your jar.




could you provide some more information about that - like - by what means does it spread?  What biological mechanism?  the product destroys spores rendering them useless.  it also acts as a PH buffer (8.2) for future colonization.

I hit that same jar with 2tbps / gal water and i'm going to soak it for 12 hours and drain - then do a water rinse - and see what the deal is.  I realize i'm chasing a unicorn here.  If what you say is true - then when there is a trich outbreak and you treat it with salt paste - then why is that method effective - the mycellium is destroying the rest with its own immune responses?

also doc - "Also, potassium bicarbonate will kill your mycelium."
Then why is it alive in my jar???? I soaked that jar with 1tbsp per gallon - no rinse - left it - looks alive to me...contaminated - but alive.

I also realize my post count is like 20 something - but take into consideration the information not its source.

I have my first ever PE success mini mono going right now its 2 quarts organic popcorn / and or WBS??(i was doing a lot of spawning and g2g and dont remember, but looks like WBS) spawned to well weathered hpoo/coir/verm/casting/chickpoo/gypsum 2.5:1 - had my first dialogue with the great famed PE last night - it lived up to its reputation.  Anyway, its on its second flush (first came in at like 40g cracker dry) dunked it for a couple hours in between.  Appears 100% healthy - first sign of an outbreak - i'll snap photos before and after treatment by misting.  I might even try adding it to my dunk water later on.

my pinsets have been coming out really uneven. this is multispore - g2g.  This PE is from the hawk.



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Re: experimental use of GreenCure to destroy Trichoderma [Re: Wiscoregon]
    #16525058 - 07/13/12 11:38 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I'm referring to the mold mycelium growing larger the same way mushroom mycelium does while it's colonizing a jar. So once the mold has establish itself it can continue to spread to anything in close contact without the need for spores.

Salt paste won't eliminate mold but it effectively neutralizes any mold (and mushroom mycelium) in a small area, slowing it down long enough to finish the flush.

Trich is known for killing other fungi. It's hyphae will grow right into clumps of mushroom mycelium and release toxins to kill it. The mushroom mycelium is either incapable of producing toxins to fight back or cannot produce them quickly enough so the mold always wins. The way the mold coils around mycelium also makes it nearly impossible to remove because any area with mushroom mycelium can also contain mold mycelium.


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Re: experimental use of GreenCure to destroy Trichoderma [Re: Wiscoregon]
    #16527719 - 07/13/12 08:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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If what you say is true - then when there is a trich outbreak and you treat it with salt paste - then why is that method effective - the mycellium is destroying the rest with its own immune responses?




It isn't.

The trich always comes back.  The salt paste is only so you can finish the flush in progress, and even then it only gives you a few days to get the flush picked.
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Re: experimental use of GreenCure to destroy Trichoderma [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #21869038 - 06/28/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Kind of resurrecting this thread.

Have a mono-tub that caught a flare of trich (its about 80% colonized at this point).  Caught it early, biopsied the biggest piece of it (like a large brownie).  By the following day I could see (texturally) the trich was still returning along the edge of my last cut.  I once again biopsied the area that appeared infected.  I then took Greencure (potassium bicarbonate) and sprinkled the dried powder covering the entire surface of the area biopsied and about an inch and a half perimeter surrounding the entire affected area.  I will follow up with a photo in a couple days and the results.  Wish me luck on my experiment. :cool:


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Re: experimental use of GreenCure to destroy Trichoderma [Re: Wiscoregon]
    #21869083 - 06/28/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

pix


The greencure is a white crystalline powder which is why the whole area looks white like mycellium.

Honestly - we all know the Green Beast.  Shouldn't be any surprises here.  But worth a shot.


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Re: experimental use of GreenCure to destroy Trichoderma [Re: Wiscoregon]
    #21876362 - 06/30/15 02:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Failed, trich again on the other side. tis futile.

This one shall be given a proper burial. :smile:


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Re: experimental use of GreenCure to destroy Trichoderma [Re: Wiscoregon]
    #21876364 - 06/30/15 02:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

although I will add that the area with the greencure on it seems totally fine, aside from not being colonized. Not a sign of trich in sight,


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Re: experimental use of GreenCure to destroy Trichoderma [Re: Wiscoregon]
    #21876377 - 06/30/15 02:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Rather than disturb the little bit of green and send trich spores everywhere I took lots of greencure and covered the surface entirely in about a 5 inch radius circle completely covering the infected area, beyond that, this puppy is still colonizing nicely. LOL.  We'll see how long she lasts!


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Re: experimental use of GreenCure to destroy Trichoderma [Re: Wiscoregon]
    #26972204 - 10/06/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

did you have any luck?


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