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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: qman] * 2
    #26970819 - 10/05/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

In other words, you're just spouting bullshit without any support whatsoever.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: qman] * 2
    #26970822 - 10/05/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Something very powerful happens when one suddenly by external influences feels empowered to engage in antisocial reasoning.

You see this all over the board and in the offline world.

People radicalize, and their radicalization involves a simplification and loss of nuance vompared to their former selves.

They start conforming to the ways of thinking of the radicalizing influence and abandon their old ways of reasoning.

Trump has this effect on people in the US, but people like Geert Wilders and Pim Fortuyn have this in Holland.

Populism, radicalization, simple solutions for complex problems.

Getting infected with a cultlike mindfuck.




TDS is also a very serious infection as well.




Your telling me any sweeping criticism can't be true and it's derangement. When republicans were pissed at Obama they had fillabuster,called him a Kenyan, a Muslim, they criticized every move he made and you're okay with that but your not okay with people laying out 20 reasons why trumps a terrible president because it's just Trump derangement syndrome. Do you see the inability to get anywhere if you don't address why people hate what he's done so much. The reason I honestly replied to this is because out of all the right wing nuts on this site you've been open to changing your viewpoints before and I don't see why real criticism is just "derangement". Were Obama critics deranged? Are you willing to say people that bring up Hilary Clinton every time someone says something bad about Trump are "deranged" in the same definition?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 2
    #26970849 - 10/05/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

"Orange Man Bad"

I could think of at least a hundred reasons why the orange man, indeed, is bad, and anyone who kept tabs on his nonstop antics while not republican themselves can list about 100 too.

"Orange Man Bad" is no defense when so obviously, he is.

Its not because of him being orange or a man, its because of the darnedest things he does :ohyou:


This man has listed 889 so far.

The real Trump Derangement Syndrome is the psychiatric syndrome that makes Trump act out in a deranged way, like interrupting the debarte 145 times even when Biden said things like "he has no self control, he will interrupt again and again." Thats derangement.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #26970891 - 10/05/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Seriously_trippin said:
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qman said:
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Asante said:
Something very powerful happens when one suddenly by external influences feels empowered to engage in antisocial reasoning.

You see this all over the board and in the offline world.

People radicalize, and their radicalization involves a simplification and loss of nuance vompared to their former selves.

They start conforming to the ways of thinking of the radicalizing influence and abandon their old ways of reasoning.

Trump has this effect on people in the US, but people like Geert Wilders and Pim Fortuyn have this in Holland.

Populism, radicalization, simple solutions for complex problems.

Getting infected with a cultlike mindfuck.




TDS is also a very serious infection as well.




Your telling me any sweeping criticism can't be true and it's derangement. When republicans were pissed at Obama they had fillabuster,called him a Kenyan, a Muslim, they criticized every move he made and you're okay with that but your not okay with people laying out 20 reasons why trumps a terrible president because it's just Trump derangement syndrome. Do you see the inability to get anywhere if you don't address why people hate what he's done so much. The reason I honestly replied to this is because out of all the right wing nuts on this site you've been open to changing your viewpoints before and I don't see why real criticism is just "derangement". Were Obama critics deranged? Are you willing to say people that bring up Hilary Clinton every time someone says something bad about Trump are "deranged" in the same definition?




It's very important to be highly critical of our leaders. I myself have been highly critical of Trump because he betrayed his supporters with broken campaign promises. What I won't do is makeup reasons to be critical of Trump because of my emotional state.

If people aren't being intellectually honest about their criticisms, then they enter the state of derangement. If they don't question the MSM narrative on Trump, they're not only lazy but they're entering derangement syndrome.

Fal turned out to be correct about Russiagate not because he's a fan of Trump, but because he questioned the MSM narrative. The MSM finally admitted they were just speculating on the case and really didn't know for sure.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: qman]
    #26970896 - 10/05/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

:lolwut:


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: qman]
    #26970902 - 10/05/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

He didn't turn out to be right,  though.  He just moved the goalposts.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil]
    #26971358 - 10/05/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I've done it 100 times with you already.  There's no point.  I have indulged you this long because I truly miss the Falcon of yesteryear, and I held out hope that he would return.  I can now see that this isn't going to happen, so I can't invest any more of my time, energy, and hope into a futile exercise.



No you haven't.  That's a another lie.  And by repeating this lie, you're getting others here, like vinsue, to believe your lie.  I know you don't like me posting things that go against what you want to believe, but tell me just one lie I've told about Assad, Putin, and Trump.  You claim "hundreds" (everyone please feel free to help Enlil).

Now I'll admit there were rare occasions where I've misread or misunderstand something I've read, but then I'd always admit I was wrong.

Let me remind you of some of the things I've been criticized about that I've proven to be right about after being made fun of:

That Mueller would not find evidence of Trump-Russia collusion
That there was no evidence of Russia paying the Taliban bounties to kill US troops
That the charges against the parent of the Russian 'troll farm' would be dismissed
That Sergei Magnitsky was a crook
That Michael Cohen never made calls to Russia from Prague

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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: qman]
    #26971361 - 10/05/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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. The MSM finally admitted they were just speculating on the case and really didn't know for sure.




  When did they ever say they knew for sure ?
  The speculation came from Trump doing everything you would expect a guilty person to do .  How was the speculation unfair ?

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Were Obama critics deranged?




  Some of them . The racist clowns that claimed he didn’t have a birth certificate were crazy .


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil]
    #26971367 - 10/05/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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In other words, you're just spouting bullshit without any support whatsoever.




Wikipedia describes TDS as "criticism or negative reactions to United States President Donald Trump that are perceived to be irrational, and have little regard towards Trump's actual policy positions, or actions undertaken by his administration."

Here's are many examples of the TDS described by Wikipedia:



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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil]
    #26971372 - 10/05/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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He didn't turn out to be right,  though.  He just moved the goalposts.



Do tell.  :popcorn:


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26971423 - 10/05/20 11:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Can you show us the part of the Mueller report where it says there was no evidence of collusion


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods] * 2
    #26971427 - 10/05/20 11:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

"Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities."

Can you show us the part of the Mueller report where it says there was evidence of collusion?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods] * 3
    #26971463 - 10/06/20 12:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Can you show us the part of the Mueller report where it says there was no evidence of collusion



Oh, my goodness, you're still on about that ridiculous Russia conspiracy theory? It was ridiculous before the investigation was done, its even more insane now.

I dont think you're with people on your level here man. May I suggest hamhead as an interlocutor?

I've seen you give people crap for conspiracy theories that have no less evidence than this blatant, hail mary attempt to undermine the republican party.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #26971998 - 10/06/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Whatever you say dude :lol:. But as far as I know, ideologies don't get funding, they don't set up meetings to organize gatherings, or require admissions to join certain chapters, or profit like those dirty capitalists off of communist merchandise. I thought you could at least lie better than that, being a lawyer and all.





So.. Could you provide any shred of evidence for this? Any tiny bit of proof that this horrible terroristic organization is being FUNDED and how amazingly organized they are?

I attempted to do some research. Pretty much all I could find was this jackass Crowder (a comedian, btw) who said he "infiltrated antifa". The KIDS that they "infiltrated" were just that: KIDS. They put on a big show and talked about their knife collections... If they were actually so organized and funded they would be under investigation by the authorities: As are MOST right wing groups because they have documented histories of planned acts of unprovoked violence. I will absolutely condemn anyone who claims to be against the repression of freedom and forcing of religious values coming from the right I see as fascism, but has plans to do unprovoked violence to innocent people. I think these dumbasses throwing molotovs at buildings are just a bunch of kids who like to break stuff. Plenty of those kids on both sides. This whole concept of antifa as a shadowy group is just a distraction. What's important is there are hundreds of thousands of regular citizens out exercising their right to protest, who are tired of the militarized racist police out there executing black people in the streets. Its not a couple of bad apples: POLICE ARE TRAINED TO DO THIS! I am not saying that being a cop isnt dangerous, but its NOT being a soldier and that is how they are trained. They are trained to DOMINATE at all costs, shoot first and rely on the blue wall later to cover it up. Its amazing there are a few good ones who manage to overcome their training and be decent humans while doing their job which is to PROTECT PEOPLE.

We ALL need to back the hell up and realize that everyone is just PEOPLE. All of these problems could be resolved if we remove MONEY from POLITICS. We need to tax the rich and end this insane income equality. We have the resources and the technology for EVERYONE on this planet to stop worrying about where they will sleep or what they will eat. We can do it. Im not saying that we need to evenly distribute all wealth. Im just saying that we need to take the Trillions of dollars concentrated in the top 1% of the worlds richest people (how will they EVERY use that much money?!?) or that we spend on the military and use it to create an infrastructure that provides people with basic security so that they can learn what it is they are here to do. Once we have achieved that kind of equality, if you still want to cling to your guns and bible while you have nightmares about a trans woman telling you what to do: be my guest. But once no one is starving an desperate: you wont be so worried about your guns because there will be VERY LITTLE CRIME! 95% of people who commit crimes do so because they are trying to SURVIVE! They are desperate and have no other options.

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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil]
    #26972007 - 10/06/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Fal turned out to be correct about Russiagate not because he's a fan of Trump, but because he questioned the MSM narrative.



He didn't turn out to be right,  though.  He just moved the goalposts.



Do tell.  :popcorn:



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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26972071 - 10/06/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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In other words, you're just spouting bullshit without any support whatsoever.




Wikipedia describes TDS as "criticism or negative reactions to United States President Donald Trump that are perceived to be irrational, and have little regard towards Trump's actual policy positions, or actions undertaken by his administration."

Here's are many examples of the TDS described by Wikipedia:






I can accept, somewhat, "actions taken by his administration", but "perceived to be irrational" and Trump's policy positions gives us nothing concrete to debate here. Trump's policy positions can change constantly, so what does "his actual policy positions" even mean?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26972086 - 10/06/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I can accept, somewhat, "actions taken by his administration", but "perceived to be irrational" and Trump's policy positions gives us nothing concrete to debate here. Trump's policy positions can change constantly, so what does "his actual policy positions" even mean?



Watch the video for examples of TDS, and I think you'll understand.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26972094 - 10/06/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That still doesn't make it an infection.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26972112 - 10/06/20 12:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Your semantics games are absolutely... silly.

According to dictionary.com, the definition of "infection" includes:

6  corruption of another's opinions, beliefs, moral principles, etc.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #26972131 - 10/06/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I watched the video. I still think 75% of the times I was told here I suffered from TDS it was bullshit; just one partisan person arguing with another. Then take the other 25% where I know I'm being obstinate, such as when I wouldn't mind him going down on any charge, legit or not. Illegal yeah, immoral sure, but not delusional. I read politics everyday and have come to the conclusion that Trump is a danger to Americans who don't agree with him, and a danger to the rest of the world. I think my feelings are rational response to what I'm seeing, and they fit cohesively in my larger philosophies that generally there is no such thing as "the truth" in the social world and that politics is a war that should be fought to win. I don't want to harm innocent people but harming arguably the biggest scumbag on the planet is a good fight.


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