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totalegodeath
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Shrooms and the facilitation of communication 1
#26971293 - 10/05/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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So while I wait for my little fun guys to grow, I'd like to open the discussion on something I've had bouncing around my head for a while..
Has anyone else noticed that using magic mushrooms has helped them communicate better with people? Because my theory is this;
Fungi facilitates communication between living things not only the way they do in a jungle with mycellium growing among the roots, but also in animals that consume the fruit (mushrooms). And furthermore if this is true, maybe the true purpose of the fungi is to bring ALL things together in closer communication. (which makes sense to me because it seems to be a common theme of the more "spiritual" trips I've had)
 what are your thoughts?
PS: not sure if this qualifies as philosophy.. will happily move post if I'm in the wrong spot lmk
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Edited by totalegodeath (10/05/20 08:49 PM)
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Buster_Brown
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Re: Shrooms and the facilitation of communication [Re: totalegodeath] 1
#26971578 - 10/06/20 04:57 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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totalegodeath said:
Has anyone else noticed that using magic mushrooms has helped them communicate better with people?
The demographics of Shroomery.org would support your theory if communication skills were evidently above average, but they're not in general (imo)
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Re: Shrooms and the facilitation of communication [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26971612 - 10/06/20 06:04 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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no hyphae are involved in human communication, but patience, and empathy definitely aid communication and are products of psychedelic experiencing.
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Re: Shrooms and the facilitation of communication [Re: redgreenvines]
#26971722 - 10/06/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hmmm...I can provide an example where empathy and patience are notably absent in respected shroomers, so I think an argument supporting the benefit of psychedelic experience in regards to communication is perhaps wishful and unfounded.
Edited by Buster_Brown (10/06/20 08:34 AM)
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Re: Shrooms and the facilitation of communication [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26971750 - 10/06/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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why would you even try to illustrate that any person is not 100% perfect.
the lack of consistency in a person's effective compassion, does not erase the reality of intermittent compassion.
we are not always connected and pumping out good stuff.
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totalegodeath
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Re: Shrooms and the facilitation of communication [Re: redgreenvines]
#26972308 - 10/06/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is much more what I was talking about. I feel that my own use of magic mushrooms has helped me become more empathetic (for me through realizing we are all legit the same.. but different ) and so I have had more success reading people where I previously found difficulty. To try to explain further, I am looking for individual opinions on weather this phenomenon has happened to others, and if so do you/they agree that this could be a similar situation to mycelium facilitating communication between trees in a forest? Maybe the role the mushrooms are playing is there to help us see ourselves in others and ultimately facilitate species wide cooperation over enough time? Maybe I'm just a little baked? thoughts?
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Re: Shrooms and the facilitation of communication [Re: totalegodeath]
#26975612 - 10/08/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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psychedelics can help bring a person to be more at peace with themselves, and the more at peace someone is with themselves, the more peace they will find with others, and this makes the potential for a connection, and clear communication greater. i also believe G-d is part of the equation. the more an individual is at peace with themselves and G-d, the more connection they will find to others.
another way i see it, is it’s like trying to put a stud in a wall. usually you need some kind of tool to know where to place the stud, but with psychedelics the walls become see thru, and you know exactly where to place the stud without tools.
communication is best done in frequencies. in human ancient past, humans knew that they could not communicate with language, so they communicated with things like sound/resonance/frequency. there are theories that the pyramids of ancient Egypt could have been some kind of sound resonance device/chamber. resonance technologies appear to exist in many ancient artifacts and architectures. we know that sound frequencies can alter brain activity. if ancient cultures had a superior understanding to ours as to how sound can alter states of consciousness, then maybe they used these sound chambers to communicate. compared to words, frequencies are more likely to be understood in the intended way, as a sound can then have its own meaning.
words after all, really are just imaginary.
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totalegodeath
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thealienthatategod said: psychedelics can help bring a person to be more at peace with themselves, and the more at peace someone is with themselves, the more peace they will find with others, and this makes the potential for a connection, and clear communication greater. i also believe G-d is part of the equation. the more an individual is at peace with themselves and G-d, the more connection they will find to others.
another way i see it, is it’s like trying to put a stud in a wall. usually you need some kind of tool to know where to place the stud, but with psychedelics the walls become see thru, and you know exactly where to place the stud without tools.
communication is best done in frequencies. in human ancient past, humans knew that they could not communicate with language, so they communicated with things like sound/resonance/frequency. there are theories that the pyramids of ancient Egypt could have been some kind of sound resonance device/chamber. resonance technologies appear to exist in many ancient artifacts and architectures. we know that sound frequencies can alter brain activity. if ancient cultures had a superior understanding to ours as to how sound can alter states of consciousness, then maybe they used these sound chambers to communicate. compared to words, frequencies are more likely to be understood in the intended way, as a sound can then have its own meaning.
words after all, really are just imaginary.
Love this. What a cool concept to think about
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Re: Shrooms and the facilitation of communication [Re: totalegodeath]
#26976365 - 10/09/20 01:20 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your inhibitions are reduced by psilocybin because it has anxiolytic effects on your adrenal systems that effects how fearful you feel.
And when you feel less fearful, some communications can be easier, or at least you can feel more comfortable saying whatever it is you want to say.
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Re: Shrooms and the facilitation of communication [Re: sudly]
#26976499 - 10/09/20 06:10 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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nope
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sudly
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Re: Shrooms and the facilitation of communication [Re: redgreenvines]
#26976509 - 10/09/20 06:19 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you want a list of citations that describe how psilocybin effects the nervous system?
Or is this the better option?
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Re: Shrooms and the facilitation of communication [Re: sudly]
#26976547 - 10/09/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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sudly said: Your inhibitions are reduced by psilocybin because it has anxiolytic effects on your adrenal systems that effects how fearful you feel.
And when you feel less fearful, some communications can be easier, or at least you can feel more comfortable saying whatever it is you want to say.
Being less fearful of opposition will make me more abrupt and overbearing, which is opposite of patient and empathic.
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Re: Shrooms and the facilitation of communication [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26976571 - 10/09/20 07:31 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Our nervous system still equates emotional safety with physical safety, even if conceptually we understand the difference.
Say you're doing a speech, and you haven't prepared. A lot of people feel a bit nervous in this situation, some more so than others. Even if you stumble your words, don't make good points, and don't link together your speech very well, it doesn't mean you'll be bitten, or clawed at or punched.
Getting nervous for doing a speech is a fear of an imaginary threat, and yet we react the same as if it were a lion in the bush.
In our waking day to day life, we face a lot of troubles, a lot of stressful situations, and we often react like there's a lion around every corner.
I like the idea of helping people to cope with these evolutionary hiccups, and personally psilocybin has been one tool on the journey to turning that lion in to a cat.
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Re: Shrooms and the facilitation of communication [Re: totalegodeath]
#26976643 - 10/09/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've noticed insight into my own behavior with mushrooms, and that can lead to better interactions with other people. Also some healing of psychological issues which can also lead to better interactions with others.
But in terms of a direct effect on communication? I guess it's possible, but I haven't noticed any personally.
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