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Safety/Annon/Busts on Shroomery 1
#26970544 - 10/05/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know if this has been discussed before, but i was curious if anyone ever stresses about being identified IRL via shroomery username. Obviously if you aren't a idiot and take proper precautions, but what are these precautions? I also believe i have read a news story or heard from someone that there was a bust based off of this website and that there are users on here that are FBI,CIA,Cops etc. Any stories? What are you using besides a VPN to stay safe and annon? is this a issue here? Whatcha got pub lets talk
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Re: Safety/Annon/Busts on Shroomery [Re: NecroMyce] 1
#26970647 - 10/05/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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In the case of the Silk Road bust, the Shroomery happened to be the earliest place that anyone ever posted a link to the Silk Road marketplace, implying that the person who posted it had not heard of it on the internet. Not sure if the associated email address, through which the investigators identified that person, was just on their publicly viewable profile page or obtained by subpoena. There was one other situation where the site was issued a subpoena in connection to a divorce case and complied.
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Re: Safety/Annon/Busts on Shroomery [Re: NecroMyce] 5
#26970668 - 10/05/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just call yourself SWIM, duh
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Re: Safety/Annon/Busts on Shroomery [Re: psi] 2
#26970673 - 10/05/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The silk road investigation did not involve any cooperation from this site whatsoever. A subpoena was issued, and complied with, but it did not seek ip information or anything like that, and that subpoena was issued years after the guy was already arrested.
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Re: Safety/Annon/Busts on Shroomery [Re: mongo lloyd]
#26970704 - 10/05/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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mongo lloyd said: Just call yourself SWIM, duh

Or just say that your cat is the one that's wanting/participating in possible illicit drug activity
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Re: Safety/Annon/Busts on Shroomery [Re: Enlil]
#26970707 - 10/05/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: The silk road investigation did not involve any cooperation from this site whatsoever. A subpoena was issued, and complied with, but it did not seek ip information or anything like that, and that subpoena was issued years after the guy was already arrested.
When you say a subpoena was issued, and complied with, does that mean the government issued a request for users personal information and then the site complied and supplied the info? I remember watching tons of docs about silk road and how this was the first place it was, "advertised" at. However i am mainly talking about using this site even if for illegal purposes as some here may have done before, and staying safe and annon
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Re: Safety/Annon/Busts on Shroomery [Re: mongo lloyd]
#26970718 - 10/05/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am relatively new here but have spent some time around vb cannabis forums before joining here. Back then recreational didnt exist and a few states had medi so it was still very real possibility that you could get popped for growing even personal use.
I saw one instance where a grower got into a fight on another non cannabis forum and the person on the otherside of the argument found the growers profile on the grow forum and with personal info from the noncannabis forum ratted the guy out to the cops. My guess is that there was also a trash pull, utility inspection or drug dog walked around the property to cement the warrant, so even then opsec comes into play, but it is possible there was enough online evidence. I recall that part of the link was the backgrounds of his pictures were the same on both sites. Like here is my hobby bench with insert hobby here and here is my hobby bench with a pile of fresh cannabis.
Lesson of the tale; don't virtual throw stones if you live in a glass grow house. You don't know how much time and skill someone might put into doxing you for spite.
The other major event I saw was the fall of overgrow and the associated heaven's stairway seed business in 2006. I and many others had ordered seeds which they sold out of quebec province, while legal in canada possession of seeds was/is illegal in the states. Iirc it was tax evasion the nabbed them but eitherway the rcmp had the servers with our IPs, order history and addresses. People freaked out and mant tore down or moved grows, but as far as I can tell they never busted any growers as a result of only that data. It is possible they used the data as a starting point for trash pulls, utility inspections or drug dog walks that led to the bust, but most faces popped back up on icmag unscathed.
Https://forums.digitalpoint.com/threads/overgrow-com-busted-servers-seized.73337/
End of the day opsec is most important.
I use a vpn to visit, i also dont cross usernames with above board sites.
If I were growing commercial quantities of shrooms I would probably get an approved puppet and only post cultivation stuff occassionally and from places with free internet.
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Re: Safety/Annon/Busts on Shroomery [Re: NecroMyce]
#26970722 - 10/05/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The government issued a subpoena asking for information, yes. The information they asked for and received was nothing they couldn't get just by creating an account and doing a search. It was information that you could get at any time. It was not "personal information" or anything that could ever be used to identify the location or identity of the member.
Also, as I said, the subpoena didn't even get issued until long after the guy was arrested. It wasn't for purposes of investigation. It was just so that the guy's post could be introduced at trial.
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Sugabearcrisp said: I am relatively new here but have spent some time around vb cannabis forums before joining here. Back then recreational didnt exist and a few states had medi so it was still very real possibility that you could get popped for growing even personal use.
I saw one instance where a grower got into a fight on another non cannabis forum and the person on the otherside of the argument found the growers profile on the grow forum and with personal info from the noncannabis forum ratted the guy out to the cops. My guess is that there was also a trash pull, utility inspection or drug dog walked around the property to cement the warrant, so even then opsec comes into play, but it is possible there was enough online evidence. I recall that part of the link was the backgrounds of his pictures were the same on both sites. Like here is my hobby bench with insert hobby here and here is my hobby bench with a pile of fresh cannabis.
Lesson of the tale; don't virtual throw stones if you live in a glass grow house. You don't know how much time and skill someone might put into doxing you for spite.
The other major event I saw was the fall of overgrow and the associated heaven's stairway seed business in 2006. I and many others had ordered seeds which they sold out of quebec province, while legal in canada possession of seeds was/is illegal in the states. Iirc it was tax evasion the nabbed them but eitherway the rcmp had the servers with our IPs, order history and addresses. People freaked out and mant tore down or moved grows, but as far as I can tell they never busted any growers as a result of only that data. It is possible they used the data as a starting point for trash pulls, utility inspections or drug dog walks that led to the bust, but most faces popped back up on icmag unscathed.
Https://forums.digitalpoint.com/threads/overgrow-com-busted-servers-seized.73337/
End of the day opsec is most important.
I use a vpn to visit, i also dont cross usernames with above board sites.
If I were growing commercial quantities of shrooms I would probably get an approved puppet and only post cultivation stuff occassionally and from places with free internet.
Very good info! approved puppet? vpns arent that safe i have heard
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Re: Safety/Annon/Busts on Shroomery [Re: NecroMyce]
#26970802 - 10/05/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alrighty, so i've seen this subject posted or discussed upon so many times. Without putting words directly into other peoples mouths. There is simply NOT ENOUGH resources to poor in to "dry investigations" into the shroomery. Safety measures are always promoted. But unless you post some serious and compelling images, that also has blatent potential security flaws. The scope of leo has been burdened by massive waves of more serious and dangerous drugs, that have a public enemy #1 persona such as fentanyl... as well The expansion of darknet markets. With this site being clear net and well regulated, this is not a "hot pond" for the dea to swim in. They have to justify man hours and dollars in the form of busts on high profile substances to justify their continued bloated funding. The shroomery does not need a vpn to visit. With that said unless you put something up entirely blatent it will almost certainly never get a first or or more importantly second look from any outside enities. If you want to put yourself in the wheel house of a potentional disirable bust, then thats a game with differnt rules and outcomes. Ypur little shroom grow isnt geting you watched from here.
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Sugabearcrisp said:
The other major event I saw was the fall of overgrow and the associated heaven's stairway seed business in 2006. I and many others had ordered seeds which they sold out of quebec province, while legal in canada possession of seeds was/is illegal in the states. Iirc it was tax evasion the nabbed them but eitherway the rcmp had the servers with our IPs, order history and addresses. People freaked out and mant tore down or moved grows, but as far as I can tell they never busted any growers as a result of only that data. It is possible they used the data as a starting point for trash pulls, utility inspections or drug dog walks that led to the bust, but most faces popped back up on icmag unscathed.
An IP address is just some numbers, the police would have to go to court force your provider to identify you. No court is going to do that because you posted some drug pictures. No one gets busted posting drug pictures on the internet unless you are advertising illegal drugs for sale.
Anyone who ordered seeds to their illegal grow show is an idiot though, that is just basic common sense and a separate issue from posting pics. Even though you will almost certainty have no issues you shouldn't order spores to the house you grow mushrooms either regardless of how much you are growing. I wouldn't order 10 thousand hits of 1p to my house either, even though it's "legal".
I miss OG. People there posting huge grows and living in like Texas and shit, some straight up outlaws there. Strains that are common now first got famous there like sour D and cindy 99, blueberry etc. Overgrow's influence on weed was huge, and no site ever really replaced it
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Re: Safety/Annon/Busts on Shroomery [Re: viraldrome]
#26970895 - 10/05/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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viraldrome said: An IP address is just some numbers, the police would have to go to court force your provider to identify you. No court is going to do that because you posted some drug pictures.
You couldn't be more incorrect.
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Re: Safety/Annon/Busts on Shroomery [Re: Enlil]
#26970901 - 10/05/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil I have a legal question for you
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Re: Safety/Annon/Busts on Shroomery [Re: Shiithead] 1
#26970905 - 10/05/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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OMG REALLY? Be still my heart.
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Re: Safety/Annon/Busts on Shroomery [Re: Enlil]
#26970974 - 10/05/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Safety/Annon/Busts on Shroomery [Re: viraldrome]
#26970995 - 10/05/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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CaspuuuR said: Very good info! approved puppet? vpns arent that safe i have heard
Iirc somewhere I read that the obly acceptable reason to have a puppet account was for this purpose. How you go about getting approved would be a question for the mods, they have methods of identifying puppets that they likely dont want to disclose.
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viraldrome said: I miss OG. People there posting huge grows and living in like Texas and shit, some straight up outlaws there. Strains that are common now first got famous there like sour D and cindy 99, blueberry etc. Overgrow's influence on weed was huge, and no site ever really replaced it
OG was the shit, I used to run a NGB 150hps micro grow dwc cabinet grow. First grow was joey weed's nlxc99 and reeferman's burmese pure. It was such a lively forum and some dudes were balls the fuck out. Like you would get a random person with 8 posts come on and show off a 12'×12' coliseum aero hydro grow with central vented hids pulling 1.5gr/wt and break down how to do it, describe running multiple rooms and then never post again.
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Re: Safety/Annon/Busts on Shroomery [Re: Sugabearcrisp] 1
#26971077 - 10/05/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah you are supposed to arrange it with them first I think. Then whatever means they normally detect puppets by shouldn't matter, since your puppet account will be on record as an approved one.
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Re: Safety/Annon/Busts on Shroomery [Re: psi]
#26971164 - 10/05/20 07:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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P.s. vpns are effective at obscuring traffic across the web. Vpns cannot protect you from a malacious endpoint (website). Vpns with central logging servers also expose your data in theory to subpeona if hosted in a cooperative country, etc. More likely is central logging being hacked and downloaded. NSA doesnt need a warrant.
As an aside I have heard that things such as customs seizing your 1p and sending you a love letter can pop up on TSA/security background checks. They could be silently used for disqualification or confrontation in an interview. Point being there is a profile of data being built on each of us that contains information that is inadmissable in court but still used in ways you will never know.
If you dont believe me you dont understand what can he done with machine learning, artificial intelligence and the troves of data points freely given by people or unwittingly collected as a result of existing within the system.
Again these insights need not be 100% accurate. They are directional. There is no real downside if 5% of your candidates are incorrectly disqualified from working at a defense contrator if 100% of the wrong people are correctly disqualified.
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Re: Safety/Annon/Busts on Shroomery [Re: Sugabearcrisp] 1
#26971178 - 10/05/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Send a message to the admins if you want a grow puppet account. It won't have access to other areas of the site however.
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Re: Safety/Annon/Busts on Shroomery [Re: mndfreeze] 1
#26971209 - 10/05/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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A good tip as well is to avoid using your same username on any place that contains any real life information. Hacks happen, databases are stolen and published, suddenly your real name and email is doxxed for the whole world to see.
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