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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Mtbromo]
#26966946 - 10/03/20 04:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Has Trump apologized for vilifying the Antifa yet?
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Asante] 6
#26966953 - 10/03/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anyone who's anti antifa should have to say the full phrase rather than the abbreviation. Anti-fascists . Maybe it will sink in better.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil] 1
#26967525 - 10/03/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I understand his wife is native American. That is not the point. He has a long, long history of advocating for a white ethnostate. Everyone I know is a walking contradiction. It doesn't surprise me that he can love his wife and still have seriously racist views. Even in the antebellum south, there were plenty of racists who were very fond of them "good niggers."
honestly if hes having non white kids thats not really a thing white supremacists do. they usually try to keep their genes pure. The impression I got of him back in the day before many people disassociated with him was that he truly wasn't racist and cared about western culture not race. even in your quote he didnt want anyone to leave. just assimilate.
I get that he he has said racial things. you have shown that if your quote in legit. but its hard to really say he's going for a white ethnostate tbh, what with having non white kids and not getting rid of anybody.
I dont really care. i find his stay distasteful and dont follow him, but the proudboys dont call themselves a racist group and some of them aren't even white so they aren't a racist group. there may be racists in the group, the founder may have said some racial stuff, and they may be a violent group, but I cant buy that thats what the group is about when they deny it. and you can say its dog whistling but I dont buy that argument. I almost never do.
You need a clear standard for what you can call white supremacist. be careful putting everything you dont like under that umbrella or you will lose credibility fast.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: bodhisatta]
#26967527 - 10/03/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Anyone who's anti antifa should have to say the full phrase rather than the abbreviation. Anti-fascists . Maybe it will sink in better.
what fascists are they fighting?
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: vinsue] 1
#26967573 - 10/03/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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vinsue said: Why is it that the white privilege denying, racist, white supremacist types are always the first ( and loudest ) ones to deny that these traits and beliefs don't exist and are Fake News ?
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are you calling me a racist and a white supremacist?
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN] 2
#26967762 - 10/03/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was replying to Enlil and asking him a question. Do you have a guilty conscience or something?
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: vinsue]
#26967813 - 10/03/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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vinsue said: I was replying to Enlil and asking him a question. Do you have a guilty conscience or something?
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you were replying to Enil about "racist, white supremacist types" while Enil was talking to me. who were you replying to enil about?
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26968008 - 10/03/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: What makes you think they both should get exactly the same questions? That is a silly notion. They aren't in the same position. They should each get questions tailored to their specific positions.
I think you might not understand what a loaded question is.
So, two old white men both with a very long record of racist comments and serious accusations of racist acts shouldn't both be asked a loaded question about white supremacy? Just Trump should?
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that other racists don't look up to joe biden but do look up to donal trump
It's not a tough question for most people why that is.
Thank you for finally acknowledging it was a loaded question towards Trump because of past allegations of racist behavior. A little intellectual honesty really wasn't that hard, yet it took pages in this thread to reach this point.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26968017 - 10/03/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Anyone who's anti antifa should have to say the full phrase rather than the abbreviation. Anti-fascists . Maybe it will sink in better.
Wait a second here, when one groups labels itself and it's motives- we need to take it at face value. When another group labels itself, when need to look into their words and speculate about their true intentions. How's that for confirmation bias?
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: qman] 1
#26968642 - 10/04/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Antifa isn't a group, though. It's an ideology. It's literally the ideology of being anti fascist.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil]
#26968934 - 10/04/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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So you're saying if I'm against fascism, I'm part of the antifa movement?
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 3
#26968936 - 10/04/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 7
#26968947 - 10/04/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: So you're saying if I'm against fascism
Don’t worry. Nobody is saying that.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods] 1
#26968959 - 10/04/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don’t worry. Nobody is saying that.
Just because I don't make believe with you about fascists doesn't mean I support fascism. But you know that.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26968961 - 10/04/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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But are you against the idea of being anti fascist? The proud boys are.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 4
#26968973 - 10/04/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: So you're saying if I'm against fascism
Don’t worry. Nobody is saying that.
Just because I don't make believe with you about fascists doesn't mean I support fascism. But you know that. 
No actually you have quite a track record of siding with leaders who exhibit fascistic behavior
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods]
#26968997 - 10/04/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: actually you have quite a track record of siding with leaders who exhibit fascistic behavior
I don't "side with them". I attack make believe against them.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 6
#26969007 - 10/04/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You go out of your way to make believe shit about them. Assad, Putin, Trump. You love you some dictators.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil]
#26969011 - 10/04/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Source, or make believe?
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 4
#26969013 - 10/04/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Which is, frankly, a strange thing to do. Especially when you rarely jump to the defense of anyone else.
You’ve spent years obsessing and outraged over one incident where Assad may have been falsely accused of using chemical weapons, but I can’t recall you ever being outraged over the dozens of incedents where his war crimes are indisputable. You ignore that stuff, but will tell us about how happy people in Syria are and give us Assad’s polling numbers. You can’t just explain this away with the figurative “devils advocate” excuse. Your devil advocacy is quite a bit more literal.
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