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First grow-help with monotub
#26963509 - 10/01/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi everybody!
Very soon im going to start my first grow. I have jars with rye grain ready and am waiting on my spores to arrive. I know this will take a week or two, but i want to prepare stuff in advance. So I have some questions.
How to prepare/make my monotub?( its around 70 quarts)
I know the basics are to make holes above the substrate layer and holes at the top of the tub for hot and colder air to exchange and for the co2 to filter out. So how big should the holes be and how many? Do I tape up the holes when the substrate is colonizing?
And I will be using Damion5050s Coir Tek.
As i understand it you dont have to mist because of the water added to the coir? Is that correct?
And do you need to fan or is there enough FAE from the holes with polyfill?
Do you dunk the grains before putting them into substrate? I have read that dunking them in water before colonizing the substrate for 10-15 min will decrease colonization. But would that not leave room for new contams?
Thanks for any answers!!!
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Re: First grow-help with monotub [Re: Vid1738]
#26963554 - 10/01/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shooting spores into grain is a crap shoot at best... you'd be better off going with the PF tek if you're getting spore syringes... or if you're getting a print, start with agar... look up Pasty Plates. I believe Pasty also has a write up for monos... pasty's EZ dialed monos or something like that.
Edit* found this for ya... https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21032606
As for the misting/fanning, those are mostly outdated techniques... some still need to do them while getting monos figured out but once you get a few grows under your belt, you'll know what to look for and whats ideal.
And don't dunk your grains... not sure if thats ever been a thing... lol
Edited by roarkell (10/01/20 10:01 AM)
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Vid1738
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Re: First grow-help with monotub [Re: roarkell]
#26963944 - 10/01/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the reply! I kinda dont like the PF Tek because it seems somehow inefficient. So do you think its probably best i start with some agar work and then go to growing?
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Re: First grow-help with monotub [Re: roarkell]
#26963965 - 10/01/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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While it is absolutely true that going spore syringe ==> grain isn't the most ideal way to do it, and usually has some amount of contamination, if you aren't ready to learn agar or have the supplies yet, it never hurts to give it a shot Most you're gonna lose is a few cheap supplies.
My first grow was done that way and I got more mushrooms than I could ever use 
While you're waiting to see if you get lucky, learn agar work then and start up some more grain!
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Re: First grow-help with monotub [Re: Forrester]
#26964060 - 10/01/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah, what he said... lol
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Re: First grow-help with monotub [Re: roarkell]
#26964665 - 10/01/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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roarkell said: Shooting spores into grain is a crap shoot at best...
Isn’t that an overly pessimistic statement? I mean I don’t have a lot of experience at all(just 4 tubs so far), but I’ve had a 100% success rate for the 6-10 jars that I have colonized with spores that way, and no contaminations either. I’m sure there are a lot of failure stories too, but for me it was a good way to get started.
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Re: First grow-help with monotub [Re: Kurterino]
#26964670 - 10/01/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Think of what you're saying. You've ran 6 to 10 jars total, try adding 1k to that and then report back.
Edit*
Also....just because you grew mushrooms doesn't mean that you didn't have contamination. You don't have the experience to make that statement, I'm willing to bet that you had at least a little bacteria.
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Re: First grow-help with monotub [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26965095 - 10/02/20 12:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not to mention a TC chimed in and basically reiterated what I said... even acknowledged the sketchieness of hoping for germination on grain... i think I'm more of a realist than a pessimist. The more you learn and grow, the more you'll realize what im saying...
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Re: First grow-help with monotub [Re: roarkell]
#26965105 - 10/02/20 12:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Spores to anything isn't the best but it definitely can work. As mentioned above, spores to BRF cakes is a good way to start for sure. And you can spawn those cakes to bulk instead of using a SGFC. I wouldn't personally try to use spores to grain as the chance of failure is higher.
Best bet is to just try to get some fruits to clone on agar then you have a great starting place to expand 
Once you get a nice plate on agar using Blenderless LI is not only easy as fuck but works great. If you are just trying to get mushrooms you can easily make one plate turn into 10 jars. Then keep 1 jar to make 10 more jars. One plate can go for awhile lol.
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Re: First grow-help with monotub [Re: Kurterino]
#26965183 - 10/02/20 02:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Kurterino said:
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roarkell said: Shooting spores into grain is a crap shoot at best...
Isn’t that an overly pessimistic statement? I mean I don’t have a lot of experience at all(just 4 tubs so far), but I’ve had a 100% success rate for the 6-10 jars that I have colonized with spores that way, and no contaminations either. I’m sure there are a lot of failure stories too, but for me it was a good way to get started.
It's just an accurate statement.
My first 2 grows were done MS => grain, and both were successful. But 2/2 doesn't make it a 100% successful technique, it just makes you lucky twice. Like mentioned, try it some more... my 3rd grow was nothing but trich city.
I agree it is a fine way to get started, as long as you know you're playing for luck and don't come here asking why all of a sudden you're "perfect sterile" method is failing, as folks do all the time
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Thanks for all the replies guys! So I realize that it is deffenetly not the best method but i am going to go spore to grain anyways. Just to be sure im gonna do 6 jars and if two are good i Will be happy. Later ill start with agar work because it seems kinda challenging and I dont have all the ingredients. I'll also post some pics.
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Re: First grow-help with monotub [Re: Vid1738]
#26965449 - 10/02/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some syringes are better than others. Keep in mind that if you grab yourself some glad mini rounds:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976
or some jewelry containers:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26374264/fpart/1/vc/1
You can make one spore syringe last for years, you could inoculate hundreds of these as apposed to a handful of jars. If you can stwrilize grain jars, or make jello, you can do this. Clean spawn in your jars will mean heavier and thicker harvests...not only that but it will open you up to the world of clones.
Do as you please but when you do finally realize how easy it is you'll wish you had done it sooner.
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Re: First grow-help with monotub [Re: Vid1738]
#26968039 - 10/03/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Vid1738 said: Thanks for all the replies guys! So I realize that it is deffenetly not the best method but i am going to go spore to grain anyways. Just to be sure im gonna do 6 jars and if two are good i Will be happy. Later ill start with agar work because it seems kinda challenging and I dont have all the ingredients. I'll also post some pics.
That’s what I did too, and since then I kept going with grain to grain (but I’ve also made my own spore prints). A lot of people seem to have forgotten that for a beginner, it’s all a bit overwhelming, and this method seems like the most accessible one, with the least amount of steps and ingredients to buy. As for your question about the holes in the tub: have you looked into BOD’s easy AF unmodified monotub tek? It’s a method that doesn’t require you to modify the tub at all, and lots of people here use it (myself included).
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