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Microdosing and libido
    #26965392 - 10/02/20 07:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

In the past couple of weeks, or probably more in the lines of three months, I've been regularly using shrooms. Doses are anywhere between 0.15 to 2g. Most of them fall in the range of 0.5 - 1g. The high doses have been far in between, as those are trips and are to exhausting to do regularly. So it's like one microdose a week and one "mini dose". There were maybe two weeks that I didn't take anything ...

Anyhow, it's been a stressful time for me (hence the reason for shrooms), little sleep, anxiety, etc., but inspite of this, my libido is through the roof. It hasn't occurred to me till now - that this might be due to shrooms. Has anybody experienced something similar?

I've no idea what the situation is with my hormones, might even have slightly elevated prolactin or E2 as my gyno is flaring up a bit, but still I feel horny as if I was on a low dose test cycle.

I'm half beat tired and anxious all the time, but I'm still horny af. I do notice more pasion and libido in a broader sense of the word. So I guess this is serotonin, ie. psilocybin doing it's work huh?

I'm in my mid 30's btw and work in arts/film, so pasion, anxiety, ups/downs are normal for me. But I've never been like this before in such a though period.

Tnx and appreciate any feedback.


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Re: Microdosing and libido [Re: koma23]
    #26966062 - 10/02/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Makes sense.

Shrooms make you more alive.

When you're 30 and an artist, being more alive means being more horny.

I'm 60 soon, and shrooms make me want to look at the sky and at nature. lol.

When younger I didn't have that much experience with shrooms, but did a bit of acid.

Acid didn't usually make me horny, and the few times I had sex on it, it seemed odd to me.

Made it weird. Still good, but like animals mating rather than human sex for enjoyment. Thoughts like "this body melding with mine is full of tubes and poo and fluids and organs." lol. Not all that sexy. But primal.

But not something I wanted to seek out many more times. ("I'll try anything twice.")


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Re: Microdosing and libido [Re: nektar61]
    #26967055 - 10/03/20 07:02 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I'm starting to think it's the antidepressant quality of taking shrooms. I know that serotonin by it self really doesn't promote libido or make you horny in a general sense of the word. I mean, I never felt horny on mdma. Granted, that's a huge dose of serotonin, but haven't really felt horny while tripping on bigger dosages. Now that's not to say that on the comedown, or a bit later, I didn't feel more inclined to have sex ...

Taking sub trip dosages 0.5 - 1g, does tend to bring out a lot of anger in me and I wouldn't mind getting into a fight. And regarding sex, once after a 1.7g consumed via tea, one of the best experiences I had in this time period, like 4 hours after that in the evening, I went in to the city and I was ramped up totally. I just wanted to go and speak to every women I found attractive. The whole evening I was looking at women with a strong urge to ... well, you get the point. So my experiences with mushrooms aren't as serene as others.

In general terms I find that using shrooms makes me a lot more disinhibitet (if that's a word). Less anxious and it puts me in a better mood. If anxiousness and depression are removed to a point you just might get to have a better libido I guess - if there aren't any other hormonal problems or if you are not a sexual person in the first place, which I am.


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Re: Microdosing and libido [Re: koma23]
    #26967444 - 10/03/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, I'm starting to think it's the antidepressant quality of taking shrooms. I know that serotonin by it self really doesn't promote libido or make you horny in a general sense of the word. I mean, I never felt horny on mdma. Granted, that's a huge dose of serotonin, but haven't really felt horny while tripping on bigger dosages. Now that's not to say that on the comedown, or a bit later, I didn't feel more inclined to have sex ...

Taking sub trip dosages 0.5 - 1g, does tend to bring out a lot of anger in me and I wouldn't mind getting into a fight. And regarding sex, once after a 1.7g consumed via tea, one of the best experiences I had in this time period, like 4 hours after that in the evening, I went in to the city and I was ramped up totally. I just wanted to go and speak to every women I found attractive. The whole evening I was looking at women with a strong urge to ... well, you get the point. So my experiences with mushrooms aren't as serene as others.

In general terms I find that using shrooms makes me a lot more disinhibitet (if that's a word). Less anxious and it puts me in a better mood. If anxiousness and depression are removed to a point you just might get to have a better libido I guess - if there aren't any other hormonal problems or if you are not a sexual person in the first place, which I am.




Psilocybin is not that chemically far from SSRIs. Also, are you on SSRIs? I've heard that being on them can have odd effects with shrooms. Either making shrooms less intense, or more intense. Or more often, realy stoned but not good.

If you're on them I'm not recommending to go off suddenly, just repeating something I heard from a friend, then read up on.

I think psych meds are a poor substitute for shrooms, and eventually pharmaceutical companies will prescribe low-dose psilobybin related meds (that they've tweaked enough to patent) legally. Things are going that direction.

Shrooms are powerful, and not always kind. I heard somewhere, and I'm paraphrasing "LSD is like laughing with the universe, you get the cosmic joke, and it's wonderful. Sometimes shrooms know the joke, know you're not in on it yet, and are laughing AT you."

Sometimes when I take shrooms there is an eternity of 10 or 15 minutes of "I wish I hadn't done this today", but it passes, and then is very worthwhile.

With LSD, that moment was rare.

But LSD relies on labs, and unknown dosages and who knows what's in it and involves getting it from people.

Shrooms, once you have spores, can be your own secret...something pure and good, never run out, and never a quality-based issue from sketchy sources. And I recommend that.

I wish shrooms produced LSD. lol.

I know you can grow morning glories and woodrose, but not the same. I've had bad times with those. Horrible body experience for the little trip.

Some advice: Be careful who you tell about your new passion of shrooms. People don't get busted from CSI shit. They get busted because they blab to people who get mad at them later, or get busted later, and need something to trade. All they have is you.

I mention that because you're young and I know when I was young I had a desire to tell the world everything I did.

I don't have that desire now, at least not attached to my name, and it's a calm way to be.


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Re: Microdosing and libido [Re: koma23]
    #26967451 - 10/03/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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...Taking sub trip dosages 0.5 - 1g, does tend to bring out a lot of anger in me and I wouldn't mind getting into a fight.....




I would recommend NOT doing it in public then. Too easy to end wrong, in jail, beat up, dead, etc.

Bar fights are a horrible idea. Even if you win, the guy has 3 buddies you didn't see, they'll jump in. Even if you win that, the bouncer will probably grab you until the cops get there. They blood test you, see psilocin, get a warrant to search your house, ugh.

Bar fights on shrooms are a good way to go to prison. Not jail, prison.

Pot makes people sleepy and subdued, shrooms have a warrior component.

Look up the Stoned Ape Theory. May be b.s, but I do know that I do feel primal on shrooms. Especially since they help you see in the dark, and notice things you'd never see otherwise. Like being able to look through a crack in a fence you'd normally not notice, and see through it to see what's behind it. Not magic, just heightened awareness, and big pupils. Dilated pupils and dilated mind.

If I trip at night alone out in the country, I sometimes imagine I'm early hominoid a few million years ago, right after figuring out tools, carrying the jaw bone of an ass for a club...eating shrooms growing in the poo of the animals I follow....scanning the night horizon for threats and resources. I feel that. Could be all in my head, but I know pot has NEVER made me feel like that. Alcohol has a little of that, but feels like it's in the way. Shrooms feel like hunting tools.

When you're young that could manifest as scanning the bar, looking for a mate to fuck, then you want to kill an antelope and eat it raw and still warm. That may come out as "I want to fight a man."

I get it. Just be careful. I recommend until you get a lot more under your belt, consider just trip low dose, at home (if that's something that's comfortable), alone, or with one trusted person.

I know there are people who act as trip guides for free over dischord or something. I don't do that, but you might look into it.


Mush luck young warrior. Be bold, but live to tell the tale.


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Re: Microdosing and libido [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #26967616 - 10/03/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That warrior component definitely exists, I often get the feeling of being some sort of powerful animal able to take on anything (even if I phyically cannot lol).


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Re: Microdosing and libido [Re: MindMeower]
    #26967995 - 10/03/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I can only get laid if I'm on a micro dose


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Re: Microdosing and libido [Re: Dagnet] * 1
    #26968030 - 10/03/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I can only get laid if I'm on a micro dose





You mean you can't have sex on a mega dose? (who can??)
Or that you can't get laid sober?

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Re: Microdosing and libido [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #26969149 - 10/04/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Psilocybin is not that chemically far from SSRIs. Also, are you on SSRIs? I've heard that being on them can have odd effects with shrooms. Either making shrooms less intense, or more intense. Or more often, realy stoned but not good.

If you're on them I'm not recommending to go off suddenly, just repeating something I heard from a friend, then read up on.

I think psych meds are a poor substitute for shrooms, and eventually pharmaceutical companies will prescribe low-dose psilobybin related meds (that they've tweaked enough to patent) legally. Things are going that direction.

Shrooms are powerful, and not always kind. I heard somewhere, and I'm paraphrasing "LSD is like laughing with the universe, you get the cosmic joke, and it's wonderful. Sometimes shrooms know the joke, know you're not in on it yet, and are laughing AT you."

Sometimes when I take shrooms there is an eternity of 10 or 15 minutes of "I wish I hadn't done this today", but it passes, and then is very worthwhile.

With LSD, that moment was rare.

But LSD relies on labs, and unknown dosages and who knows what's in it and involves getting it from people.

Shrooms, once you have spores, can be your own secret...something pure and good, never run out, and never a quality-based issue from sketchy sources. And I recommend that.

I wish shrooms produced LSD. lol.

I know you can grow morning glories and woodrose, but not the same. I've had bad times with those. Horrible body experience for the little trip.

Some advice: Be careful who you tell about your new passion of shrooms. People don't get busted from CSI shit. They get busted because they blab to people who get mad at them later, or get busted later, and need something to trade. All they have is you.

I mention that because you're young and I know when I was young I had a desire to tell the world everything I did.

I don't have that desire now, at least not attached to my name, and it's a calm way to be.




Yeah, I've tried several SSRI's and never ever liked being on them. They blocked me at a certain level, that didn't allow me to access the emotional depth I am used to being at. And that alone made me really loose my mind, as my mental balance wasn't a product of my own mental processes. If that makes sense ... The strongest AD I tried was vortioxetine. That at low dosages 5 - 10mg, worked wonders for anxiety, but like SSRI's I couldn't sleep at all on it. On SSRI's I could get 4 to 5 hours of sleep, but on vortioxetine my day's should have been 28h long, then I could sleep. I'm not on anything now.

My psychiatrist is a big fan of psychadelics for the treatement of depression, anxiety, and other stuff that they're useful for. I've been reading on the latest pharma hype and research around that also and yeah, ... it's a good thing, I hope ...

LSD is much much more friendly compared to shrooms. Haven't tried more then 150mcg though, but neither have I done more then 2g's of shrooms in tea form. But lsd has a much easier come up and at a certain point is just more peaceful and calm. I like shrooms however just because of this. They make you deal with your anxieties much more then acid does. The first 1h of the trip is the most beneficial to me.

Tnx for the advice on keeping things quiet.

Psilocybin is however much different than SSRI's as it's an agonist on the SERT system while SSRI's are antagonist. Or did you have something else in mind by comparing them? I haven't delved much in to the use of SSRI's with psychadelics but I kinda thought SSRI's would more or less block psychadelics. Only way psychadelics would work with SSRI's is if a) psilocybin has a greater binding affinity to the serotonin receptor and b) if the SSRI's dosage is small and thus the it hasn't reached saturation of all receptors. They also have some different pharmacodynamics and they bind to different receptors probably and have some cross talk between dopamine system, etc. Idk, not an expert.


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Re: Microdosing and libido [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #26969170 - 10/04/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I would recommend NOT doing it in public then. Too easy to end wrong, in jail, beat up, dead, etc.

Bar fights are a horrible idea. Even if you win, the guy has 3 buddies you didn't see, they'll jump in. Even if you win that, the bouncer will probably grab you until the cops get there. They blood test you, see psilocin, get a warrant to search your house, ugh.

Bar fights on shrooms are a good way to go to prison. Not jail, prison.

Pot makes people sleepy and subdued, shrooms have a warrior component.

Look up the Stoned Ape Theory. May be b.s, but I do know that I do feel primal on shrooms. Especially since they help you see in the dark, and notice things you'd never see otherwise. Like being able to look through a crack in a fence you'd normally not notice, and see through it to see what's behind it. Not magic, just heightened awareness, and big pupils. Dilated pupils and dilated mind.

If I trip at night alone out in the country, I sometimes imagine I'm early hominoid a few million years ago, right after figuring out tools, carrying the jaw bone of an ass for a club...eating shrooms growing in the poo of the animals I follow....scanning the night horizon for threats and resources. I feel that. Could be all in my head, but I know pot has NEVER made me feel like that. Alcohol has a little of that, but feels like it's in the way. Shrooms feel like hunting tools.

When you're young that could manifest as scanning the bar, looking for a mate to fuck, then you want to kill an antelope and eat it raw and still warm. That may come out as "I want to fight a man."

I get it. Just be careful. I recommend until you get a lot more under your belt, consider just trip low dose, at home (if that's something that's comfortable), alone, or with one trusted person.

I know there are people who act as trip guides for free over dischord or something. I don't do that, but you might look into it.


Mush luck young warrior. Be bold, but live to tell the tale.




Tnx bro : D

I never trip at home. It's always nature and then after a while I might do a stroll through the city center.

Shrooms do make you go a bit primal hehe. Kinda depends on who you are as person I guess. But you get to see fear in other people much more then when sober. I mean, you get to see who is free and who is guided by his/her's anxieties and is thus weak. You know what I mean? This has kinda been my goal with all this tripping and what not. Getting to a point where you are actually free to make from your life - what you want to and not being only a passenger on a horse, that is racing where it wants to go. Kinda off a Jung's individuation process meets Nietzsche's ubermensch. Suit's me well for doing work as a director.

I'm from europe and I doubt I would get a house search just from picking a fight with somebody when tripping heh. I am not saying am planing on doing this though. It's just how I feel sometimes while tripping. Things like social injustice also get me all riled up when tripping.

Anyway, I appreciate your sentiment <3


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Re: Microdosing and libido [Re: koma23]
    #26969304 - 10/04/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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but I kinda thought SSRI's would more or less block psychadelics.....




I've never been on them, but yes, people say they do. I was put on lithium when I got caught driking when I was a teen, but got of quick. Lithium, not an SSRI, but my only personal experience with psych meds.

Quick search says shrooms and SSRIs do not mix https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19635122#19635122

"If your antidepressant is an SSRI, shrooms or any psych won't have an effect on you, I don't feel like looking it up but I think there's a risk of serotonin syndrome also which is pretty nasty."


Much more here:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?forum%5B%5D=&words=SSRI+shroom&namebox=&replybox=&how=all&where=body&tosearch=both&newerval=&newertype=y&olderval=&oldertype=y&minwords=&maxwords=&limit=25&sort=r&way=d


Basic thing I've heard is SSRIs and psychedelics can do any of these, depending on the SSRI, the dose of the SSRI, the psychedelic, the dose of the psychedelic, the set / setting, and mostly, the person:

1. Make the psychedelic drug do almost nothing.
2. Make the psychedelic drug do way too much.
3. Make the psychedelic drug do a lot, but not a trip, more like just a bad time.
4. Cause a medical emergency. (As mentioned, serotonin syndrome, or just spiked BP or psychotic break.)
5. Any or all of the above.


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Re: Microdosing and libido [Re: koma23]
    #26969305 - 10/04/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Anyway, I appreciate your sentiment <3




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Tnx for the advice on keeping things quiet.





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    #26970107 - 10/05/20 03:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I've never been on them, but yes, people say they do. I was put on lithium when I got caught driking when I was a teen, but got of quick. Lithium, not an SSRI, but my only personal experience with psych meds.

Quick search says shrooms and SSRIs do not mix https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19635122#19635122

"If your antidepressant is an SSRI, shrooms or any psych won't have an effect on you, I don't feel like looking it up but I think there's a risk of serotonin syndrome also which is pretty nasty."


Much more here:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?forum%5B%5D=&words=SSRI+shroom&namebox=&replybox=&how=all&where=body&tosearch=both&newerval=&newertype=y&olderval=&oldertype=y&minwords=&maxwords=&limit=25&sort=r&way=d


Basic thing I've heard is SSRIs and psychedelics can do any of these, depending on the SSRI, the dose of the SSRI, the psychedelic, the dose of the psychedelic, the set / setting, and mostly, the person:

1. Make the psychedelic drug do almost nothing.
2. Make the psychedelic drug do way too much.
3. Make the psychedelic drug do a lot, but not a trip, more like just a bad time.
4. Cause a medical emergency. (As mentioned, serotonin syndrome, or just spiked BP or psychotic break.)





Yup; ssri's block the serotonin receptor so that serotonin can't bind to them. Psilocybin is basically almost identical to serotonin and it's mechanism of action is binding to the serotonin receptor and thus acting like stronger serotonin. If it can't do that it wont do anything.


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