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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: koods]
#28431199 - 08/12/23 04:09 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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It looks absolutely evident that those cylinders came through the roof. That Russian news crew inadvertently took a shot of the cylinders with ice still around the nozzle end of the cylinders.
Wait there’s video of an icy cylinder?
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28431202 - 08/12/23 04:12 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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You seem to have a very broad definition of "no details." The presence of chlorine gas has been established and cannot be explained by household bleach. Those details pretty much make it clear that a chemical attack occurred.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Enlil]
#28431227 - 08/12/23 04:25 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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I think its not an insignificant matter than by the time inspectors arrived in Douma, the town was under the control of Syrian forces.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: koods]
#28431237 - 08/12/23 04:29 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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Look, bro. This whole thing got blown out of proportion. They wanted to go swimming, but the pool hadn't been maintained properly, so they got the super concentrated chlorine to shock it back into shape. Things got out of hand and a few kids had to be hosed down...no biggie.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Enlil] 1
#28431260 - 08/12/23 04:43 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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Enlil said: The presence of chlorine gas has been established and cannot be explained by household bleach. Those details pretty much make it clear that a chemical attack occurred.
I trust the OPCW investigators' knowledge more than I trust yours. Sorry.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28431265 - 08/12/23 04:50 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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And the third OPCW report clearly says that the presence of chlorine gas was established and could not be explained by household bleach. I'm glad we agree.
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6.57 The pattern of detected chlorinated phenols at the scene is consistent with the hypothesis that the cylinder on the roof was the source of the released gaseous chlorinating agent. This is indicated by the presence of highly chlorinated phenols TCP and TeCP at the sampling locations close to the cylinder (i.e. at the crater on the roof and in the room under the cylinder), as opposed to the least chlorinated phenols MCP and DCP on the street far away from the cylinder. 6.58 While investigating the scenario of a possible “staging” of the incident, e.g. through the spreading of bleach, the IIT has duly considered that the production of TCP has also been reported in scientific literature as a result of the application of the reactive chlorine species sodium hypochlorite, i.e. the active ingredient in bleach. However, the further chlorination to produce TeCP from the reaction of bleach with TCP has not been scientifically documented, which is consistent with the fact that sodium hypochlorite in bleach is a less reactive chlorinating agent than chlorine gas.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Enlil]
#28431534 - 08/12/23 08:39 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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That is the report that is being criticized. I'm not sure what you think we agree on.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Ice9]
#28431555 - 08/12/23 08:56 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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Enlil said: And the third OPCW report clearly says that the presence of chlorine gas was established and could not be explained by household bleach. I'm glad we agree.
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6.57 The pattern of detected chlorinated phenols at the scene is consistent with the hypothesis that the cylinder on the roof was the source of the released gaseous chlorinating agent. This is indicated by the presence of highly chlorinated phenols TCP and TeCP at the sampling locations close to the cylinder (i.e. at the crater on the roof and in the room under the cylinder), as opposed to the least chlorinated phenols MCP and DCP on the street far away from the cylinder. 6.58 While investigating the scenario of a possible “staging” of the incident, e.g. through the spreading of bleach, the IIT has duly considered that the production of TCP has also been reported in scientific literature as a result of the application of the reactive chlorine species sodium hypochlorite, i.e. the active ingredient in bleach. However, the further chlorination to produce TeCP from the reaction of bleach with TCP has not been scientifically documented, which is consistent with the fact that sodium hypochlorite in bleach is a less reactive chlorinating agent than chlorine gas.
I hadn't read this report, but when reading the one FW linked, this was what I was talking about when I posted this
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The COCs formed cannot be made from household bleach. [...] Coming from a chemist, it cannot explain their formation. A more potent chlorinating agent is required.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Ice9]
#28431611 - 08/12/23 09:39 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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from hypoxia from a conventional bombing.
How does a conventional bomb cause hypoxia?
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: koods] 1
#28431750 - 08/12/23 11:15 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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Here is the first result I got from a Google search. There were a LOT more explanations:
Characterization of the response to primary blast injury
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Blast lung is caused by a shock wave generated by an explosion causing widespread damage in the lungs, leading to intrapulmonary haemorrhage. This, and the ensuing inflammatory response in the lung, leads to a compromise in pulmonary gas exchange and hypoxia that can worsen over several hours.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Ice9] 1
#28442665 - 08/22/23 10:32 AM (5 months, 3 days ago) |
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As I mentioned previously, the US-backed terrorist groups in Syria were responsible for using chemical weapons (including Sarin) and falsely blaming it on Assad.
Well apparently someone did an independent study on this and came to the same conclusion, https://blog.rootclaim.com/new-evidence-2013-sarin-attack-in-ghouta-syria/
The rockets that contained Sarin gas in the 2013 Ghouta attack, based on the rocket trajectories, have a 96% likelihood of having been fired from terrorist-held territory.
That means that not only was Assad framed for this attack but that someone deliberately supplied Al-Qaeda with Sarin gas, most probably the CIA.
But then you have gullible folks like Ice9 and Shivas"wisdom" going along with this narrative without a care in the world for the truth. It's disgusting.
The "Assad used chemical weapons" narrative is no better than the "Saddam has WMD's" narrative that was used to justify the invasion of Iraq, and which led to the deaths of a million+ people. The propagandists over at the Pentagon aren't even creative enough to come up with a new lie, so they just rehash old ones. They probably think the average American is so fucking dumb that they will have learned nothing from the past and won't question it. Sadly, they are often right.
Those of you who went along with this joint CIA & Al-Qaeda manufactured lie, while ignoring the true perpetrators of these massacres, should be totally and utterly ashamed of yourselves. You have done a disservice both to yourselves and to the Syrian people.
We live in a country where our intelligence agencies supply dangerous chemical weapons to terrorist orgs on purpose just to manufacture fake narratives and false flag operations, and you guys think nothing is wrong with that? Lol. Just fucking lol.
That's why the only logical and moral choice is not only to support the Syrian government (and thank God, they won the war), but also to support Russia. They are the only ones standing against these tactics which are truly and undeniably despicably evil. It is why the MSM, which perpetrates and spreads these CIA false flags, is such a corrupt entity that it deserves to be destroyed completely.
The greatest evil in the world today does not come from Syria or Russia or China, but from Washington DC, a place which emits such a foul stench that it threatens to destabilize the entire planet and ruin humanity's future.
At any rate, I won't be continuing this conversation further after this. The truth is there for everyone to see. At this point, anybody still going along with this tired old Neocon narrative of Assad using chemical weapons, even after the truth has come out, are little more than easily manipulated fools whom obviously don't care about the truth and for reasons having to do with their own ego, can't admit that they got it hilariously wrong. Such people aren't worth the effort.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: chopstick]
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: ballsalsa]
#28442774 - 08/22/23 11:52 AM (5 months, 3 days ago) |
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If chopstick thinks this source is legitimate, allow me to introduce Who shot down Malaysia Airlines flight 17 over Ukraine on July 17, 2014?
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The Donetsk People's Republic (DNR) shot down MH17 using a surface-to-air missile (mistaking it for a Ukrainian military plane).
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: koods]
#28443098 - 08/22/23 06:10 PM (5 months, 3 days ago) |
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As can be seen in this diagram, for the sixteen victims photographed on the ground floor labelled the first floor by the IIT) it was literally only a few steps through the bottom of the stairwell on the ground floor and out the front door – a scenario in which the victims could hold their breath for the few seconds it would take them to run through any lethal gas to get to safety.
These people are idiots. Holding your breath requires having a breath to hold. The first indication of chlorine exposure is likely to be severe irritation of the throat and eyes. You can’t hold your breath and cough uncontrollably and you can’t escape a room when you cannot open your eyes. If one was to suddenly encounter a cloud of concentrated chlorine, you would have to close your mouth, nose and eyes before contact or you would be immediately disabled. I was exposed to a minute amount of chlorine once and it is overwhelming.
These people seem to not understand that taking in one breath of concentrated gas will be fatal.
They’re saying “why didn’t these people who have never experienced being poisoned with chlorine react perfectly to save themselves”
There are never any fatal industrial accidents with chlorine of course because those people are trained to deal with chlorine leaks, right?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/chlorine-accidents-take-big-human-toll/
So, I carry around a tub of chlorine tablets for fountains and other little water features where the customer doesn't want anything alive. The tablets are trichlorotriazine which is, I guess, a precursor for some several pesticides. Anyway, some water must have gotten in the tub because when I opened it the other day I got blasted with vapors. I happened to be breathing in at the moment it happened so I got 1/4 of a breath of that shit and let me say that it was awful. I coughed it out and stumbled away but my eyes were burning like crazy. That was outside. If that had been in a room, I don't even know and I'm sure that the concentration of those fumes were orders of magnitude less than an actual chlorine attack.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: ballsalsa]
#28443103 - 08/22/23 06:18 PM (5 months, 3 days ago) |
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In the lab I work in, we have an oxygen alarm. This alarm goes off if oxygen concentration in the air dips below 19.5% (Nominal is 20.9%). The reason you NEED an alarm, is that by the time you notice something amiss, it is too late, you are already dead unless someone can retrieve your body and revive you. Any poison gas or vapor can do the same when concentration of it suddenly spikes. As soon as you are aware of the issue, too bad it is too late.
That said, we know all the monsters and all the dipshits that support the monsters, need to come up with any kind of cope to make their garbage positions seem tenable. None of us are fooled. These guys are pretty lucky I'm not a mod, as defending chemical attacks on children would earn a
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Ice9]
#28446156 - 08/25/23 08:01 AM (5 months, 14 hours ago) |
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Doesn't chlorine bleach turn to chlorine gas or something pretty fu**ing bad if mixed with ammonia? I did that at my first job at Dennys and they had to evacuate the building.
At my previous regular bar, the old guy half owner did it after hours and died.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Brian Jones]
#28446276 - 08/25/23 10:22 AM (5 months, 11 hours ago) |
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Brian Jones]
#28446277 - 08/25/23 10:24 AM (5 months, 11 hours ago) |
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Sodium hypochlorite and ammonia produces chloramine gas. The distinctive odor of chlorinated swimming pools is actually trace chloramines.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: koods]
#28446290 - 08/25/23 10:54 AM (5 months, 11 hours ago) |
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OK not a weapon of mass destruction, but several deaths per year from chloramine gas in enclosed spaces.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Brian Jones]
#28446314 - 08/25/23 11:20 AM (5 months, 10 hours ago) |
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Deaths are rare with chloramine. Mixing chlorine bleach with a decently strong acid can liberate chlorine gas. That has killed workers.
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