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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Enlil]
    #26970627 - 10/05/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Where did I say they lied?  I said they covered up the conclusions of the inspectors, as proven in my last post.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26970639 - 10/05/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It's not their job to print every opinion of every inspector.  It's their job to use data from all inspectors and render a conclusion.  They did that.  Mr. Henderson's opinion was one that did not gain consensus.  I know you don't like that, but that's how it works.  Not every idea is a good idea.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Enlil]
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26970651 - 10/05/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26970714 - 10/05/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm not concerned about the process, I'm concerned about the OPCW leaving out the findings of the inspectors in the conclusion:

- That the experts determined that the cylinders found on the site of the alleged attack were more likely manually placed there than dropped from a plane or helicopter
- That the experts found no correlation between the symptoms of the victims and chlorine exposure
- That the levels of chlorine found were so low they may have come from household cleaners





It doesn't make sense for Assad to use chlorine at that stage of the war, true. And I'm not saying there isn't mischief going on.
At the same time, it also seems like a lot of fucking around to get those cylinders into position for a photo shoot.

It also doesn't make sense to drag 35 bodies from?? to the site, bodies with no other signs of trauma. Also, those poor people do have signs of foamy white stuff around their eyes, nose and mouths  :nonono:

It looks absolutely evident that those cylinders came through the roof. That Russian news crew inadvertently took a shot of the cylinders with ice still around the nozzle end of the cylinders.
Whether or not they came from one of Assads helicoptors I don't know, but if they control the air space..... :shrug:



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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26971032 - 10/05/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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It doesn't make sense for Assad to use chlorine at that stage of the war, true. And I'm not saying there isn't mischief going on.



Thank you.  :mushroom2:

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At the same time, it also seems like a lot of fucking around to get those cylinders into position for a photo shoot.  It also doesn't make sense to drag 35 bodies from?? to the site, bodies with no other signs of trauma.



A conventional bombing happened then.  No one had to be dragged anywhere at all.

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Also, those poor people do have signs of foamy white stuff around their eyes, nose and mouths  :nonono:



The inspectors never saw any of the bodies.  They used pictures and videos posted to the internet around that time.  But more importantly, Robert Fisk went to Douma right after the attack, and reported that "...the head of the field hospital where the victims had been treated insisted they knew nothing of gas.  The doctor, who was at his home near the hospital at the time, insisted that the patients were suffering from hypoxia – from dust and dirt inhalation from the air bombings, and that someone whom he identified as a “White Helmet” NGO worker shouted “Gas!” and started a panic among the victims. The official OPCW report records precisely the same events, along with the doctor’s memory of the man who shouted “Gas!”. But interestingly the OPCW did not identify the man as a “White Helmet”."

That entire article is worth a read:  The evidence we were never meant to see about the Douma ‘gas’ attack

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It looks absolutely evident that those cylinders came through the roof. That Russian news crew inadvertently took a shot of the cylinders with ice still around the nozzle end of the cylinders.



The Russian news crew also "inadvertently" took a shot of ice around something else (maybe a pipe?) near the bomb:



Maybe it was a cold night?

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Whether or not they came from one of Assads helicoptors I don't know, but if they control the air space..... :shrug:



You're assuming they came from the air; the OPCW expert said there was a higher probability they were manually placed there.  :shrug:


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26973037 - 10/06/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

NOW it gets interesting:

An ex-OPCW chief (José Bustani from Brazil) was invited to speak at a UN Security Council meeting about the probe into the alleged Douma chemical attack, but his appearance was blocked at the last minute by Belgium, Germany, Estonia, France, the US and the UK.  But his speech was published to YouTube anyway:



Here are a few excerpts:

"For those of you who are not aware, I was removed from office following a US orchestrated campaign in 2002 for, ironically, trying to uphold the chemical weapons convention."  (Bolton removed Bustani in 2002 after he questioned WMDs, and hoped "to persuade Iraq to sign up to the OPCW, thus granting OPCW inspectors full access to Iraq's purported 'chemical weapons arsenal'")

"If member states do not have trust in the fairness and objectivity of the work of the OPCW, then its effectiveness as a global watchdog for chemical weapons is severely, severely, compromised.  And transparency and confidentiality are not mutually exclusive.  But confidentiality cannot be invoked as a smokescreen for irregular behavior.  The organization needs to restore the public trust it once had, which no one denies is now waning, which is why we are here today."

"The inspectors in the Douma investigation have a simple request:  That they be given the opportunity to meet with you, Mr Chairman, to express their concerns to you in person, in a manner that is both transparent, and accountable.  This is surely the minimum that you can expect.  At great risk to themselves, they have dared to speak out against possible irregular behavior in your organization.  And it is without a doubt in your, and your organization's, and in the world's interest that you hear them out."

No wonder he was banned.  :smirk:

This is happening now, so we're in interesting times...


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26973140 - 10/07/20 02:40 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I was going to comment the other day about the 20 odd disgruntled inspectors, and why they weren't stepping forward if their complaints are real.
One of those links above did say a minority disagreed with the findings of the report so they better have a good argument and not be responding out of butt hurt or they'll all be looking for new jobs.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #26973747 - 10/07/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe they're afraid of losing their jobs?  Inspectors A and B don't work for the OPCW anymore.  :shrug:

Here is what Inspector A told the OPCW last week:
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I’m not imploring you to believe me; to implore you to believe us; that is not science. All we are saying is that surely there is sufficient information – facts out there today – that would justify a transparent technical inquiry aimed at clarifying what actually happened in Douma on 7 April 2018, and this needs to be done in a way that demonstrates scientific rigour and integrity, because that currently has not been done.

However, the lockdown on Douma remains, how can I say, impenetrable. A hope therefore remains that there’s someone with the scientific discipline and integrity to recognize that something may have gone amiss with the Douma investigation and report. Perhaps more importantly we continue to hope that there’s someone who is willing and able, someone who has the courage to do something about this. If and when that happens, we are ready to provide the impartial input of scientists and engineers and to have the facts and the findings assist on their merits.




The predictable response from the US was:

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Let’s recognize today’s demonstration for what it is – a stunt.




And even if the engineering reports DID have multiple interpretations, what I personally found to be FAR more compelling was Robert Fisk's observations from Douma that I linked to above.  He went to Douma just two days after the attack and spoke with the doctors there, who said they didn't treat anyone for a gas attack, but rather for dust and dirt inhalation from the air bombings.


I mentioned before how after Crimea voted to rejoin Russia, there were two opposing views about whether Russia invaded and forcefully took control of Crimea, or whether it was a peaceful turnover based on the will of the vast majority of Crimean people.  Since both sides were saying the other was wrong, I decided to travel to Crimea to find out for myself.  That trip made it obvious that it was a peaceful turnover based on the overwhelming will of the Crimean people.  Even the 5% of Crimeans who opposed the transition to Russia agreed (which I mentioned in that thread).  Being there and speaking with the people carries a lot of weight to me.

Based on the West's vote to block former OPCW chief José Bustani from speaking, it clearly smells of a cover up to me.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26973782 - 10/07/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

OPCW was tasked with making conclusions.  They took the available data and made one.  That a few people disagree is irrelevant.  The bottom line is that the conclusion is what it is.  You don't like it and don't want to believe it.  Sorry that the world isn't the way you believe it is.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Enlil]
    #26973822 - 10/07/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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OPCW was tasked with making conclusions.  They took the available data and made one.  That a few people disagree is irrelevant.  The bottom line is that the conclusion is what it is.  You don't like it and don't want to believe it.  Sorry that the world isn't the way you believe it is.



The emails released by Wikileaks showed the OPCW management redacted anything that might cast doubt on the chemical attack.  That's not science, that's politics.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26973840 - 10/07/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Says you. I call that solid writing practice.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Enlil]
    #26973953 - 10/07/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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The emails released by Wikileaks showed the OPCW management redacted anything that might cast doubt on the chemical attack.  That's not science, that's politics.



Says you. I call that solid writing practice.



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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26973957 - 10/07/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Robert Fisk's observations from Douma




I don't know, a couple of things he described stood out
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In all cases of this kind, it is necessary to understand that the search for evidence of gas attacks is notoriously difficult. It is necessarily an inexact science.




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The OPCW might have saved itself much embarrassment – and ridicule by the Russians – if it had simply told the whole truth: that while a majority of its scientists came to the conclusion that the “gas” cylinders came through the roof (ie, from an aircraft), a minority report believed that they did not.




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I did not dismiss the possibility that gas had been used, but eyewitnesses and the head of the field hospital where the victims had been treated insisted they knew nothing of gas.



This doesn't make sense to me :cookiemonster: That building was built like a concrete box. The chlorine filled that building from the top down.
Looked to me that all the people were dead.
Who were 'the victims' that were treated? Did they come from the same building? It doesn't sound like they did. How long and how far would the chlorine have dispersed?
Would bombing victims around the corner necessarily come in contact with chlorine?

I just don't see a smoking gun pointing to another party at the moment even though there are questions that require more information to make sense :shrug:


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26973985 - 10/07/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Robert Fisk's observations from Douma




I don't know, a couple of things he described stood out
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In all cases of this kind, it is necessary to understand that the search for evidence of gas attacks is notoriously difficult. It is necessarily an inexact science.




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The OPCW might have saved itself much embarrassment – and ridicule by the Russians – if it had simply told the whole truth: that while a majority of its scientists came to the conclusion that the “gas” cylinders came through the roof (ie, from an aircraft), a minority report believed that they did not.




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I did not dismiss the possibility that gas had been used, but eyewitnesses and the head of the field hospital where the victims had been treated insisted they knew nothing of gas.






I'm not disagreeing with any of these points.  That's why to me the most compelling argument was his discussions with the doctors who treated the victims.

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This doesn't make sense to me :cookiemonster: That building was built like a concrete box. The chlorine filled that building from the top down.
Looked to me that all the people were dead.
Who were 'the victims' that were treated? Did they come from the same building? It doesn't sound like they did. How long and how far would the chlorine have dispersed?
Would bombing victims around the corner necessarily come in contact with chlorine?



We KNOW there was a conventional bombing of Douma during this time.  That would explain the damage to the buildings and the dead people.

Why do you say it doesn't sound like the victims of the attack were treated at the local hospital?  If you're right, that's an important point.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26974023 - 10/07/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Why do you say it doesn't sound like the victims of the attack were treated at the local hospital?  If you're right, that's an important point.




Because the hospital was treating people that were alive.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26974047 - 10/07/20 03:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

But we've seen videos of the living being treated at the hospital:



It's not clear from the video if these people were suffering from a chemical attack, or from hypoxia from a conventional bombing.  Robert Fisk mentioned a White Helmet "shouted 'Gas!' and started a panic among the victims" which might explain the watering down of the victims.

But ultimately, the doctors said they found no evidence of a chemical attack, only hypoxia from the dust and dirt from the bombings.


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    #26974126 - 10/07/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yes it looks like an extremely panicked and confusing situation.
I'm just wondering if they were anywhere near the building where the cylinders fell.
Also if the wind was blowing the right way it may not have been noticed by everyone?

I don't know really, and have no experience with chlorine gas.
However I do have experience with Sulfur dioxide releases(Mt Isa copper smelter) which used to float through the smelter complex and have people reaching for their respirators.
SO2 mixes with the water in the lungs and creates H2SO4 Sulfuric acid.
It's not a very nice experience and certainly gets you coughing but not everyone in the smelter area would be exposed, only if you were downwind of the release.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26974129 - 10/07/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Yes it looks like an extremely panicked and confusing situation.
I'm just wondering if they were anywhere near the building where the cylinders fell.



It's a fair question, and if anyone has the answer, they should post it.

Right now, I have no reason not to trust the doctors who treated the victims.


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    #26974134 - 10/07/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

There's no reason to doubt what the Drs say, if they didn't notice any gas attack symptoms it's probably fair to say that the survivors weren't exposed.


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