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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27086827 - 12/13/20 07:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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We've gone over this. That isn't the "original engineering assessment." That is the unauthorized report of a rogue inspector. Of course they wouldn't want to print something that undermines their own findings.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Enlil]
#27086889 - 12/13/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, we have gone over this, and this wasn't a "rogue" inspector. Four whistleblowers came out to say there wasn't concrete evidence of a chemical attack, and management rewrote their findings to hide their doubts. The latest leak shows that an OPCW director worried that the truth about the Syrian ‘chemical attack’ would feed ‘Russian narrative’, which this supposedly neutral organization didn't want to do.
It's clear you believe anything/everything the establishment media wants you to believe, and then when the evidence casts doubt on your positions you'll say things like WMDs were found in Iraq.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27086944 - 12/13/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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OPCW isn't establishment media 
And you're using an establishmen media clip of an establishment president to try to show that I'm wrong about WMD's being found in Iraq 
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Enlil]
#27087076 - 12/13/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said: OPCW isn't establishment media 
The establishment media isn't covering the coverup.
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Enlil said: And you're using an establishmen media clip of an establishment president to try to show that I'm wrong about WMD's being found in Iraq 
Exactly. I'm showing that even the establishment media and an establishment president have admitted they were wrong about WMD.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#27087107 - 12/13/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's because there is no coverup. OPCW made findings. They published a report. They didn't include every dissenting opinion because that's not how scientific reports are made. This whole conspiracy theory you're touting is almost identical to the 9/11 truther theories that NIST was engaged in a coverup, dude. It has no basis in reality, though.
And establishment media seems to be reporting that WMDs were found
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27087182 - 12/13/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The establishment media isn't covering the coverup.
The establishment media isn't covering the coverup because the establishment media is covering the coverup.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Enlil]
#27087728 - 12/13/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said: That's because there is no coverup. OPCW made findings. They published a report. They didn't include every dissenting opinion because that's not how scientific reports are made.
You don't seem to understand what's going on. There weren't two conflicting opinions being debated. There was one opinion from which the OPCW removed critical information that would have cast doubt on a chemical attack.
Let's look at the example I just posted about about the chlorine levels. This is from an email from a member of the fact finding team to his superiors:
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The statement in paragraph 8.3 in the final conclusions "The team has sufficient evidence at this time to determine that chlorine, or another reactive chlorine-containing chemical, was likely released from cylinders" is highly misleading and not supported by the facts. The only evidence available at this moment is that some samples collected at Locations 2 and 4 were in contact with one or more chemicals that contain a reactive chlorine atom. Such chemicals could include molecular chlorine, phosgene, cyanogen chloride, hydrochloric acid, hydrogen chloride, or sodium hypochlorite (the major ingredient of household chlorine-based bleach). Purposely singling out chlorine gas as one of the possibilities is disingenuous. It is also worth noting that the term "reactive chlorine containing chemical" used in the redacted report is, in fact, inaccurate. It actually describes a reactive chemical that contains chlorine which itself (the chlorine) is not necessarily reactive e.g. chlorophenol. The original report uses the more accurate term "a chemical containing reactive chlorine".
The redacted report states that the gas was likely released from the cylinders (in Locations 2 and 4). The original report purposely emphasized the fact that, although the cylinders might have been the sources of the suspected chemical release, there was insufficient evidence to affirm this. It is possible the error was simply a typo. This is a major deviation from the original report.
Paragraph 8.2 states that "based on the high levels of various chlorinated organic derivatives, [...] detected in environmental samples". Describing the levels as "high" likely overstates the extent of levels of chlorinated organic derivatives detected. They were, in most cases, present only in parts per billion range, as low as 1-2 ppb, which is essentially trace quantities.
Now I understand that OPCW management has the authority to rewrite the report any way they like, but clearly they chose to rewrite it in a deceptive way by omitting critical information. Stop pretending that's science; it's politics.
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Enlil said: This whole conspiracy theory you're touting is almost identical to the 9/11 truther theories that NIST was engaged in a coverup, dude. It has no basis in reality, though.
I never said NIST was engaged in a coverup. This is more akin to saying the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian Government, and me saying "where's the evidence?", and you saying something along the lines of "The NY Times says it's true and that's good enough for me!"
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Enlil said: And establishment media seems to be reporting that WMDs were found 
Here's a few outtakes from that article:
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The United States had gone to war declaring it must destroy an active weapons of mass destruction program. Instead, American troops gradually found and ultimately suffered from the remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West. . . . The discoveries of these chemical weapons did not support the government’s invasion rationale.
But I'm sure you knew that, as The Ecstatic already pointed it out.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#27087729 - 12/13/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The establishment media isn't covering the coverup.
The establishment media isn't covering the coverup because the establishment media is covering the coverup.
What do you mean?
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27087746 - 12/13/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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So you disagree with OPCW. Who cares? If you want to believe fringe nonsense, that's fine. Nonetheless, a chemical attack still happened even if you disregard the opinion of the experts.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Enlil]
#27087802 - 12/13/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said: So you disagree with OPCW. Who cares?
I disagree with their management for omitting and in some cases changing relevant facts of the OPCW fact finding team.
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Enlil said: If you want to believe fringe nonsense, that's fine.
It may be fringe, but I've been right an awful lot.
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Enlil said: Nonetheless, a chemical attack still happened even if you disregard the opinion of the experts.
What evidence do you find most convincing from the OPCW report so we can discuss whether it proves what you think it proves or not?
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27087807 - 12/13/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The findings. That's what I find most compelling.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Enlil] 1
#28159760 - 01/27/23 11:50 AM (1 year, 1 day ago) |
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All of Falcons conspiracy theories are collapsing this week. Hillary Clinton lawsuit busted. Paul Pelosi busted. Douma busted. Durham investigation busted.
Reasonable grounds to identify Syrian Arab Air Forces as perpetrators of 2018 Douma Chemical Weapons attack, OPCW IIT report concludes.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: koods] 1
#28161606 - 01/28/23 04:26 PM (1 year, 6 hours ago) |
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koods said: All of Falcons conspiracy theories are collapsing this week. Hillary Clinton lawsuit busted. Paul Pelosi busted. Douma busted. Durham investigation busted.
Reasonable grounds to identify Syrian Arab Air Forces as perpetrators of 2018 Douma Chemical Weapons attack, OPCW IIT report concludes.
The OPCW declares itself innocent of wrongdoing? Brilliant. 
I suspect Aaron Mate will discuss this further in the coming week.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28166938 - 01/31/23 11:54 PM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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The USA is attacking another country so of course there will be babies in incubators, poisonings and chemical weapons, attacks against their own citizens and R2P claims. The standard lies from the never ending USA war criminal regime
The brainwashed trolls US imperialist and anglo capitalist media victims mostly know they are lying to themselves and want to see if people are stupid enough to join theem.
The Allgemeine Zeitung handled the Douma lie back in 2013, i believe it was. And the trolls here attempt to delude others that the OPCW is a fact finding mission and not a bought and paid for US-anglo fabricator of lies even after the people who supposedly did the investigation said it was fabricated lies.
https://syrianobserver.com/news/81497/syria-rejects-opcw-misleading-report-on-2018-douma-chemical-attack.html
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“Syria and many other countries were against recognizing the so-called Investigation and Identification Team, which lacks legitimacy,” The statement said.
Syria calls upon all State parties in the OPCW and the UN “to assume their responsibilities to preserve the independence, credibility, and future of this Organization.”
The statement accused the OPCW of “allowing the U.S. and other Western countries to dominate its work, politicize its tasks or use this Organization as a tool to achieve their political goals.”
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: DonJuan7]
#28166962 - 02/01/23 12:33 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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A lot of your posts contain the same catch phrases and generic labels.
do you copy/paste from some manifesto?
Are you a bot..?
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: mushboy]
#28166974 - 02/01/23 01:04 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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mushboy said: A lot of your posts contain the same catch phrases and generic labels.
do you copy/paste from some manifesto?
Are you a bot..?
The reality of the fabricated lies is so overwhelming that the question reflects back to you. Are you not aware of the US playbook of lies to attack other countries economically and militarily and how the mass lies are fabricated? Do you think it is wrong to call a spade a spade? Do you have fear of doing so in public places, events and at city hall, state house and DC?.... Instead of on a message board.
I notice that your posting style is to past one liners pretending you are saying something astute. Your one liners show no astutness. Lets see you answer without a one or 2 liner. Will you go for three short sentences this time?
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: DonJuan7]
#28167052 - 02/01/23 04:57 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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Hello DonJuan7, and welcome to the Political Discussion forum.
You may want to hang out and read some posts before jumping the shark. This may help you with your responses and present your arguments better.
After all, you cant have Juan without the other.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: DonJuan7]
#28167138 - 02/01/23 06:37 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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DonJuan7 said: I Quote:
mushboy said: A lot of your posts contain the same catch phrases and generic labels.
do you copy/paste from some manifesto?
Are you a bot..?
The reality of the fabricated lies is so overwhelming that the question reflects back to you. Are you not aware of the US playbook of lies to attack other countries economically and militarily and how the mass lies are fabricated? Do you think it is wrong to call a spade a spade? Do you have fear of doing so in public places, events and at city hall, state house and DC?.... Instead of on a message board.
I notice that your posting style is to past one liners pretending you are saying something astute. Your one liners show no astutness. Lets see you answer without a one or 2 liner. Will you go for three short sentences this time?
You asked a cascade of questions that are unrelated. But I’ll try bear with me.
1. I’m aware governments do shady shit.
2nd: That’s why I called you a bot.
Part III - I grew up in dc. Its home why would I be afraid?
Are you afraid?
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: mushboy] 1
#28167368 - 02/01/23 10:50 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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mushboy said: A lot of your posts contain the same catch phrases and generic labels.
do you copy/paste from some manifesto?
Are you a bot..?

A lot of your posts sound like mentally insane gibberish that don't make sense and espouse "facts" that aren't actually rooted in reality.
Are you a bot..?
Or maybe you're just a bootlicker?
Ironic for someone who calls themselves mushboi
Just goes to show that mushies can't make you intelligent when it comes to politics.
Also, I'll save everyone the time in regards to the subject of this topic. The April 7th chemical weapons attack in Douma did not involve the government of Assad but was a CIA-orchestrated false flag operation involving the use of American Al-Qaeda proxy terrorists on the ground.
This was an attempt by the CIA to pressure Trump into launching a large scale bombing campaign against the Syrian military with the objective of ensuring that the CIA-backed Al-Qaeda & ISIS proxy terrorists would be able to militarily conquer Syria and remove Assad from power.
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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: chopstick]
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