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    #26966155 - 10/02/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Never in my life would I ever have fathomed to write a subject line asking if you have ever spoken to another intelligent lifeform seemingly not of this planet yet transcends your intelligence.

I'm more of a skeptic rather then a believer. I left religion despite genuinely disappointing my mother to the point of tears. I don't belong to any political party and question much of cultural and societal norms.

I've tripped before on L and never before have I seen an entity or spoke to anything. It was a phenomenon I didn't understand what others talked about, until I did shrooms. In silent darkness, I've been in situations where I spoke to, something other. It had many lessons, it was very analogous, and IMO had invested interests as well.

And its not just direct communication. There's been entire experiences where in retrospect I say "holy crap, that played out like it had a director." And there's been other times where they played together in harmony, and boy that conjunction is a powerful combo that makes you reassess everything.

Have you spoken to other entities? Have you met anything in your experiences? Who are they? Who is it?


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon] * 1
    #26966307 - 10/02/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quite a terrifying & beautifully sublime experience with no good way to communicate with others about it. 
Though, Now I can see why angels & demons & deities & aliens etc etc have been depicted as they are via art & literature throughout history.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon]
    #26966483 - 10/02/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Never in my life would I ever have fathomed to write a subject line asking if you have ever spoken to another intelligent lifeform seemingly not of this planet yet transcends your intelligence.

I'm more of a skeptic rather then a believer. I left religion despite genuinely disappointing my mother to the point of tears. I don't belong to any political party and question much of cultural and societal norms.

I've tripped before on L and never before have I seen an entity or spoke to anything. It was a phenomenon I didn't understand what others talked about, until I did shrooms. In silent darkness, I've been in situations where I spoke to, something other. It had many lessons, it was very analogous, and IMO had invested interests as well.

And its not just direct communication. There's been entire experiences where in retrospect I say "holy crap, that played out like it had a director." And there's been other times where they played together in harmony, and boy that conjunction is a powerful combo that makes you reassess everything.

Have you spoken to other entities? Have you met anything in your experiences? Who are they? Who is it?




If you really want to know what it's like smoke increasingly larger doses of the yellow-orange dmt till it happens.

I went in a atheist materialist how had done lsd and other psychedelics. I had never had experience on these that pointed to a different or greater reality than a dead meaningless existence. 

I heard about dmt and thought it would just be strong hallucinations like the other things but with what seemed like beings separate from myself. But I didn't really believe that I would actually think it was anything other than my own mind. 

So when I finally broke through it was from quite a large dose and didn't actually meet any beings but experienced a universal oneness that I didn't even believe was possible to experience. It was a lot stranger than that though I lost all thoughts ideas and memories. I had no ideas of being a self or coming from earth.

anyways if you really wanna know what it's like to experience something you don't think is possible look into dmt.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #26966748 - 10/02/20 11:19 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I've heard some decent psychological explain ations of why the entities are architect s from our own minds. But I mean either way you spin it something amazing is happening. Either our brains are powerful enough to create these entities and worlds or we are literally able to contact other intelligences in free standing realities.

To answer your question. Yes, I've had brief contact. Thru DMT, the communication wasn't verbal or through language, it was more intuitive. Although I was able to talk verbaly. Speaking just was really weird and echoed, but wasn't responded to. It would be hard to say it it was me or something else. Interesting topic.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: IlIlIlIlIlIl]
    #26966764 - 10/02/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Lenz]
    #26966783 - 10/02/20 11:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

No, I have only heard a perceived 'other' communicate, though it was just a thought, not actual words but in effect it said 'fuck off'

to be clear I don't think the perception of the otherness means much tho compared to the mind's creative capacity. The experiences are fascinating and entertaining their reality is tantalizing, but personally I think the evidence is solidly in the other camp. Even if the entities aren't truly 'other' but merely an aspect of the self, that actually should be pretty fascinating on its own imo

in any case, it was a wild encounter. many other times I have felt like 'others' were watching and with me, present but separate from the physical. Truly unworldly sensation, not the kind of thing you forget even if the details of the exchange are hazier than you'd like


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Ezuma]
    #26966818 - 10/03/20 12:51 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ive had the future told to me through entities masquerading as memories, I think Ive done this before as my dream intuition always is right

When I do meet divine entities they are very much optimist but at the same time rough  disciplinarians.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon]
    #26966854 - 10/03/20 01:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

“Entities” have never spoken to me, though I have been intrigued for years. Took advice on here and dedicated a few mushroom trips to attempting to talk with these beings. Nothing has ever spoken back to me.

But the intrigue is ever present because I very often “sense” these entities. It’s a feeling I get,that I’m meeting energies that I have met in trips before, nd sensed in people when I’ve been lucid. It’s a very comforting feeling,me specially when the trip is intense. I spent an entire trip convinced a dead friend was with me; I talked to him throughout the trip, sharing the experience. Magical. I’m also convinced I’ve sensed one of my dogs who passed away a few years back (and I still grieve for him :frown:)

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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26966890 - 10/03/20 02:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

There has been the experience on mushrooms, in particular, of a “guide” or wise entity curating the experience. The lessons learned in these states are palpable —they seem to bubble up from the body-mind—and seem timeless and universal. A metaphysical explanation is not necessary to explain this but it is certainly an experience to simply take as it is. It is good to be flexible and not jump to conclusions.

The “mushroom spirit” is noticeably absent in the LSD state, interestingly.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26966969 - 10/03/20 05:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, lots of times.

Sometimes about important spiritual stuff, sometimes about mundane things like what's nice to eat, other times about simple nonsense and gossip. I've been awed and humbled by massive Gods that spit visible words at me that I could not understand, and had sexy conversations with interdimensional jesters who have sucked and fucked me.

My experiences aren't necessarily average though, I've combined multiple types of psychedelics lots of times and that's when this sort of thing happens.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon] * 1
    #26967352 - 10/03/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The Blind Ass,I've largely thought the same after those experiences. It makes you wonder how much of history has been people trying to unravel these experiences.

Eggtimer Cant wait to be able to go down that route, it seems genuinely beautiful. I will say though, high doses in silent darkness brings wonders that are parallel to what you're saying!

IlIlIlIlIlIl Trust me, me too. I have gone down the rabbit hole of arguments arguing that the entities are constructs and manifestations of our subconscious and our brain. I will say however, despite spending hours upon hours trying to prove my own thoughts and conclusions wrong (trying to prove its a type of delusion because its so arduous to accept the absurdity of the potential reality experienced), tripping at high doses it genuinely feels as if all my concerns/questions/doubts/arguments were all answered in a way that felt like a director guiding a play followed by direct experience. I cannot recommend silent darkness enough at high amounts for this.

Lenz Two things, I love your signature and I love the way you put it. The question is, who are the 'others'?

Ezuma My response to IlIlIlIlIlIl largely applies to your post, although I am not dismissing these possibilities. In fact, I think it's largely the ultimate question about these experiences. Is it manifested or are we literally accessing other realms, dimensions, while making contact with transcendental entities? Regardless, the conclusions made during these experiences transformed my life, my thinking, my perception, and the way I handled myself. When I look at the 'before' and 'after', there are quantum leaps in progress.

Yokal Wow! Do you know who Paul Stamets is? He had very similar experiences, which is truly astonishing (just the way I like it). Very true, 'rough disciplinarians' is an amazing way to put it. I am so happy I made this post!

CountHTML I've had that same experience where I came across overwhelming realizations as a result, and then in retrospect writing down my experience, even more breakthroughs are made and the more I realize it felt like 'something' was guiding me to these answers and crafted the entire experience to make it so. Although I have amazing ideas on L, the type of 'director' experience is unique to shrooms for me.

Northerner Love it and I know what you mean. Your last point reminds me of one of the funniest Terence McKenna stories where he takes DMT on LSD to extend the experience thinking his neighbors went home for Christmas break, but then someones knocks on his door...Too funny and I recommend checking it out! Spoiler alert: transdimensional transformational elves are involved :-P


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon]
    #26967452 - 10/03/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Only time I really spoke to an entity was probably when I was on L and shrooms simultaneously. It was like asking the universe for a favor. I asked the universe to spare my mother from death from cancer even if it meant that I would die instead. She got better. Could easily be a coincidence

On a strong salvia trip I got ripped out of my body and pulled to the center of all consciousness. I don't remember what the green goddess told me, but it was all so vivid. Yet afterwards I woke up and kept asking my buddies if I had died.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon]
    #26967662 - 10/03/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Ezuma My response to IlIlIlIlIlIl largely applies to your post, although I am not dismissing these possibilities. In fact, I think it's largely the ultimate question about these experiences. Is it manifested or are we literally accessing other realms, dimensions, while making contact with transcendental entities? Regardless, the conclusions made during these experiences transformed my life, my thinking, my perception, and the way I handled myself. When I look at the 'before' and 'after', there are quantum leaps in progress.






I fully agree that whether or not entities are self or truly a real perceiving other, they can have great significance and even utility. Whatever the case we all know so little about the reality we inhabit that I can't truly rule anything out, or fully invest either. It's all, at some level, a great 'who knows'
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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #26968143 - 10/03/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I think entities are all self generated illusion/delusion, no matter how real or autonomous they seem.

There was a time when I had doubts about that, but as time has moved on it's the conclusion I've come to.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Northerner]
    #26968145 - 10/03/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I think entities are all self generated illusion/delusion, no matter how real or autonomous they seem.

There was a time when I had doubts about that, but as time has moved on it's the conclusion I've come to.




I agree, and I notice the longer its been since I've tripped the more strongly I believe that, whereas while tripping its more like 50/50 for me


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #26968165 - 10/03/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I know what you mean Ezuma. They seem so real at the time, that is the nature of delusion though.  :twitchy:

The human brain is a crazy multidimensional thing, it's no wonder that when we start pouring stuff in it that makes it fire like mad and short-circuit that we see crazy shit beyond the realms of our usual understanding.



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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Northerner]
    #26968214 - 10/03/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I know what you mean Ezuma. They seem so real at the time, that is the nature of delusion though.  :twitchy:

The human brain is a crazy multidimensional thing, it's no wonder that when we start pouring stuff in it that makes it fire like mad and short-circuit that we see crazy shit beyond the realms of our usual understanding.


hardcore article here for those who are inclined




If we're speaking bluntly here, as we should when it comes to such important issues, this type of delusion would be a literal mental illness.

It just seems unusual (to me at least) that a mental illness would so consistently derive important lessons that we could not figure out sober that hold true when re-evaluating the situation sober.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon] * 1
    #26968254 - 10/03/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah man, many people have lost their shit believing the stuff they have seen in psychedelics realms. Gone from a temporary state of delusion into a full blown psychotic episode that permeates their lives.

Importance, value and truth is relative and subjective. I've used this shitty analogy before but I'll apply it again here:

A man owns a brick, he believes this brick is God. It is apparent to him that all things good and bad, creation itself, is due to the brick. The importance of the mans beliefs cannot be denied as the self confirming reality them prove what he experiences is actual reality. He considers himself enlightened, he does not need to question the meaning of life nor experience existential despair.

Sure we could mock this reality, label the man delusional. But in reality he is no more delusional than any religious person. Our lens of perception and what we choose to believe has no basis of proof in other people's perception. As you well know there's a lot of people out there with a lot of very funny ideas who are apparently sane, as well as many others who I'd consider truly sane that are derided by society in general.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Northerner]
    #26968370 - 10/03/20 11:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I have had experience with the "Machine Elves". I think I heard of it in a lecture by Terence Mckenna.

The thing that is most interesting for me is that the cutting edge University centers have a combo neuropsychiatry, psychology and divinity investigators. This seems to be a new phenomenon when the medical scientists are going to the heads of divinity and asking ... WTF was that!


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    #26968490 - 10/04/20 02:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Northener,

I feel you and I get your point, but I'm not sure the analogy works here.

First, let me acknowledge there's plenty of people caught in delusion and there's many others that believe what they want to believe.

However I believe many people whom do psychedelics could not be more skeptics then anyone. The man with the brick isn't questioning anything. He isn't discussing his beliefs or doubting his perception. I think why hearing trip reports such as Sam Harris' recent 5 dried gram trip report was is so compelling. He got his name by being a skeptic in the league of Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens.

The aspect about psychedelics that I believe is most compelling is that it is direct experience. If you do enough of with serious intentions, there isn't an aspect of reality you don't question or doubt.

I will forever doubt all conclusions in this realm and question the nature of reality. One aspect I will grant it however is, it's there to confront. You can go into it with all doubts in mind, questioning the 'order' of the situation, and it will respond and address the concerns (in a high enough dose in silent darkness). I know Ive gone into it before ready to argue and question every moment pertaining it to chaos, nothing higher. And every time I have, it has kicked me in the butt and made me experience phenomenon to question my questions, and in retrospect, many of those moments were direct answers to my questions. When experiences in hindsight feel as if a director was involved including direct communication in addition to absolutely subverting expectations as well as showing magnificent beauty and love in the process, I just can't dismiss it at this stage in my life that it's something more.

It's such a fascinating topic and at the end of the day, I believe this is one of the ultimate questions of psychedelics.


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    #26968491 - 10/04/20 02:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I have had experience with the "Machine Elves". I think I heard of it in a lecture by Terence Mckenna.

The thing that is most interesting for me is that the cutting edge University centers have a combo neuropsychiatry, psychology and divinity investigators. This seems to be a new phenomenon when the medical scientists are going to the heads of divinity and asking ... WTF was that!




That sounds unbelievable. Can you elaborate on the second paragraph?


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    #26968542 - 10/04/20 04:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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When experiences in hindsight feel as if a director was involved including direct communication in addition to absolutely subverting expectations as well as showing magnificent beauty and love in the process, I just can't dismiss it at this stage in my life that it's something more.




Well put.  I agree, and I feel that when we use science (which is a method, not a complete set of knowledge) to explain away what we've learned through direct experience, that we are going severely backwards.  When you ask a question, and receive an answer, I think it is only fear that makes one go back and question the answer, or why would we ask the question in the first place?


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Forrester]
    #26968704 - 10/04/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Damn, this is a shitty analogy. I am super high right now, and I think I can make it worse.

The physical brick that the man believes he owns, and finds or creates sentience with, is not actually a possessed object at all. But, IMO, The brick is a actually a symbolic representation for the mans own methods for achieving transcendence. That is where it gets tricky for the man, the brick and his own drive towards being “more than what is” will appear identical from his perspective. Normally, with other objects and symbols, this only raises concern from the man if the method stops working to the desired outcomes.... however, this particular brick IS the method itself.... so, even if the man were to question it’s sentience or other profound attributes, the brick easily reinvents itself to conform again to the updated method of transcendence.

Tho, I actually think Northerner was only using the man and brick so far as to point out how we can’t deny the validity and importance of the brick to the man. Not necessarily to tackle all of mankind’s affinity towards delusional delights.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Shr00mEater] * 1
    #26968729 - 10/04/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I take it as seriously as I take Dream characters & entities & sleep paralysis entities.
Guest & host are obvious.  No confusion there.

Potentially wonderful learning opportunities - like a strange magic mirror - but I wouldn’t take it too seriously.  Ie - wondering if an entity has an existence independent from your brain is a waste of time. The saying “it was just a Dream” that parents tell their kids also applies to trips too.  The only difference being that the latter usually happen when you are awake.  That doesn’t take away from the meaningfulness & meaninglessness of the experience - to me, it enhances it.  The Body & Mind are mysterious & psychedelics can sometimes elucidate em via extraordinary phenomena - with seemingly infinite creative potential & it does so oh so wondrously.  That’s part of what makes the psychedelic experience so valuable & also what makes it uniquely special.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26968756 - 10/04/20 09:02 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

As someone who remembers their dreams frequently, I only WISH I could get the insight that I do from psychedelic experiences.

But sadly, not even close. SOMETIMES I wake up from a dream and I think "oh, I guess that topic has some relevance because I dreamt about it." But never have I ever woke up from a dream with genuine insight. Never have I ever woke up and remembered a dream that changed my life forever.

And the problem with 'dream entities' is that, they are isolated. You can never guide others towards meeting them. You can never question them. Hell, you can never even revisit them!

With the psychadelic entities, they are always 3.5g+ in silent darkness away. And you literally can bring a laundry list of questions/concerns/doubts for it to address.


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    #26968860 - 10/04/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

That doesn’t jive with my experience.


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    #26968876 - 10/04/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

To be honest, the only insights I have personally received through tripping were unrelated to entities or visuals, and tend to be just me thinking about something obsessively for hours eventually approaching a conclusion. I have also never tripped with anyone else who had a realization from the 'other' while tripping.

While I hear often about how people experience 'things that cant be explained' I've never heard a very compelling account, I have to say. The mind is a powerful generator, and to be honest I've had many many dreams that were every bit as enthralling as my wildest trips :shrug:


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    #26969052 - 10/04/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't take my thoughts on the subject too seriously. I like to indulge all the arguments I can think of, I'm a bit of an overthinker... My main take away from these specific threads of thought was incredibly positive. Because either way I argued it the conclusion is something amazing is happening. My first trip and psychedelic experience was just after having a child. I was very concerned that I just brought someone into a doomed world where humans were being made increasingly obsolete and pointless. That there was nothing to gain or offer by humanity or being alive. So even the brief contact I had with one of the entities really helped elivate that. I probably shouldn't have done DMT alone with no experience in psychedelics, but I'm glad I did lol.

The things that have made me question if there really is something external to it probably wouldn't convince anyone. Just series of coincidences that are very odd, but also subtle and could just be random happenstance. I agreed to tripsit a friend while he smoked some DMT for the first time. When we met up we talked around his car for a bit and I saw a splotch of bird poop on his back window that struck me as very beautiful and patterned. It almost seemed deliberate in a way so I took a picture as I do with things I find even mildly interesting. We went inside he did a mild dose to see how he reacted to it. After it was over we went for a walk and talked for a bit. Then I went to work. About an hour later I got a text asking for my bird poop picture so I sent him it and asked why he wanted it. He sent me back a picture of his sons baby blanket that had the exact same pattern repeated all over the border of it. There is a whole series of those coincidences that surround psychedelics for me that don't entirely convince me, but they are very peculiar. I think people would look at me like I was crazy if I explained them, haha. Still it's those those subtle coincidences that really make me question reality.

I really have no idea... But it helped me get out of a pretty bad existential funk at a very critical time, new child, so whatever it is... It's powerful and has a lot of potential.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: IlIlIlIlIlIl]
    #26969377 - 10/04/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

IlIlIlIlIlIl It's unbelievable how many incredible coincidences that have happened during trips. I am in the midst of writing a few reports from past experiences and cant wait to share. Absolutely know what you are referring to. Again, I am not concluding with certainty that we are connecting with entities beyond ourselves, however I have witnessed a flood of evidence reliably every time.

Forrester I missed your comment earlier. Good point and very true!!


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    #26969505 - 10/04/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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And you literally can bring a laundry list of questions/concerns/doubts for it to address.




Here's another I've noticed a lot - this seems to be a situation that a select number of people seem to be able to access, and not only with drugs.  I've read entire books of people put under hypnosis that are able to access what they call the subconscious, but it answers as if it were a 3rd party, and will respond and answer just that - "laundry lists" of questions the person under hypnosis wouldn't even be able to answer. 

Whether it's a part of the self or an actual "other" (is there a difference?) I think is irrelevant, either way it's an interesting phenomenon that can be quite useful.

To be honest I'm not one of the lucky ones to have been able to do this, but I've read too many reports under different states to be able to discount it as hallucination or imagination.


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    #26969510 - 10/04/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Should watch 'The Gods must be crazy'


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    #26969741 - 10/04/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

There are no "Others" in this Universe of ours, this Universe is an Earth-focussed one and all the action happens here. However, there are many other reality frames or planes of existence if you will, each a self-contained Universe like ours but with its own unique set of physical laws in operation.

When we communicate with "Others" it is done through consciousness I believe, drugs could aide this as can deep meditation.

This is my 2 cents worth for what it is worth.


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    #26969930 - 10/04/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

This is a very interesting subject indeed Entities,Angels & demons, its all here hidden under a vail, at least howIbelieve or been taught.
I had a very powerful experience I'll never forget using 4-aco-dmt IV 100mg yep, I did that. I can say full on entity contact was even assaulted by my guardian angel, he was telling me to get rid of a cursed cross I had. This experience rocked me hard, I didn't speak for awhile... But yes I believe these are spirits , Angels , demons we are just removing blinders & opening that 3rd eye:seriousthumbsup::mindblown: we live in spiritual world to think we are here alone is foolish,like I said it's a vail, what if this is the dream & the spirit realm is life really experienced, now I don't believe like that,but also most not trick yourself with psychedelics & believe everything you see in the spirit realm 🙏


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    #26970180 - 10/05/20 06:23 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

God, or, the Unified consciousness of the Multiverse, chose to start speaking with me, vividly, since age 6. We negotiated my life at that time and it all is coming true.

We've been in contact since then.

I don't need to take drugs or be in an altered state for it, we have a solid 24/7 connection.

He's shown me many miracles in the process of teaching me things.

Its the most awesome thing in my, quite difficult, life.


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