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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: GoodDoctor06]
    #26968491 - 10/04/20 02:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I have had experience with the "Machine Elves". I think I heard of it in a lecture by Terence Mckenna.

The thing that is most interesting for me is that the cutting edge University centers have a combo neuropsychiatry, psychology and divinity investigators. This seems to be a new phenomenon when the medical scientists are going to the heads of divinity and asking ... WTF was that!




That sounds unbelievable. Can you elaborate on the second paragraph?


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon]
    #26968542 - 10/04/20 04:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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When experiences in hindsight feel as if a director was involved including direct communication in addition to absolutely subverting expectations as well as showing magnificent beauty and love in the process, I just can't dismiss it at this stage in my life that it's something more.




Well put.  I agree, and I feel that when we use science (which is a method, not a complete set of knowledge) to explain away what we've learned through direct experience, that we are going severely backwards.  When you ask a question, and receive an answer, I think it is only fear that makes one go back and question the answer, or why would we ask the question in the first place?


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Forrester]
    #26968704 - 10/04/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Damn, this is a shitty analogy. I am super high right now, and I think I can make it worse.

The physical brick that the man believes he owns, and finds or creates sentience with, is not actually a possessed object at all. But, IMO, The brick is a actually a symbolic representation for the mans own methods for achieving transcendence. That is where it gets tricky for the man, the brick and his own drive towards being “more than what is” will appear identical from his perspective. Normally, with other objects and symbols, this only raises concern from the man if the method stops working to the desired outcomes.... however, this particular brick IS the method itself.... so, even if the man were to question it’s sentience or other profound attributes, the brick easily reinvents itself to conform again to the updated method of transcendence.

Tho, I actually think Northerner was only using the man and brick so far as to point out how we can’t deny the validity and importance of the brick to the man. Not necessarily to tackle all of mankind’s affinity towards delusional delights.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Shr00mEater] * 1
    #26968729 - 10/04/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I take it as seriously as I take Dream characters & entities & sleep paralysis entities.
Guest & host are obvious.  No confusion there.

Potentially wonderful learning opportunities - like a strange magic mirror - but I wouldn’t take it too seriously.  Ie - wondering if an entity has an existence independent from your brain is a waste of time. The saying “it was just a Dream” that parents tell their kids also applies to trips too.  The only difference being that the latter usually happen when you are awake.  That doesn’t take away from the meaningfulness & meaninglessness of the experience - to me, it enhances it.  The Body & Mind are mysterious & psychedelics can sometimes elucidate em via extraordinary phenomena - with seemingly infinite creative potential & it does so oh so wondrously.  That’s part of what makes the psychedelic experience so valuable & also what makes it uniquely special.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26968756 - 10/04/20 09:02 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

As someone who remembers their dreams frequently, I only WISH I could get the insight that I do from psychedelic experiences.

But sadly, not even close. SOMETIMES I wake up from a dream and I think "oh, I guess that topic has some relevance because I dreamt about it." But never have I ever woke up from a dream with genuine insight. Never have I ever woke up and remembered a dream that changed my life forever.

And the problem with 'dream entities' is that, they are isolated. You can never guide others towards meeting them. You can never question them. Hell, you can never even revisit them!

With the psychadelic entities, they are always 3.5g+ in silent darkness away. And you literally can bring a laundry list of questions/concerns/doubts for it to address.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon]
    #26968860 - 10/04/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

That doesn’t jive with my experience.


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    #26968876 - 10/04/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

To be honest, the only insights I have personally received through tripping were unrelated to entities or visuals, and tend to be just me thinking about something obsessively for hours eventually approaching a conclusion. I have also never tripped with anyone else who had a realization from the 'other' while tripping.

While I hear often about how people experience 'things that cant be explained' I've never heard a very compelling account, I have to say. The mind is a powerful generator, and to be honest I've had many many dreams that were every bit as enthralling as my wildest trips :shrug:


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon]
    #26969052 - 10/04/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't take my thoughts on the subject too seriously. I like to indulge all the arguments I can think of, I'm a bit of an overthinker... My main take away from these specific threads of thought was incredibly positive. Because either way I argued it the conclusion is something amazing is happening. My first trip and psychedelic experience was just after having a child. I was very concerned that I just brought someone into a doomed world where humans were being made increasingly obsolete and pointless. That there was nothing to gain or offer by humanity or being alive. So even the brief contact I had with one of the entities really helped elivate that. I probably shouldn't have done DMT alone with no experience in psychedelics, but I'm glad I did lol.

The things that have made me question if there really is something external to it probably wouldn't convince anyone. Just series of coincidences that are very odd, but also subtle and could just be random happenstance. I agreed to tripsit a friend while he smoked some DMT for the first time. When we met up we talked around his car for a bit and I saw a splotch of bird poop on his back window that struck me as very beautiful and patterned. It almost seemed deliberate in a way so I took a picture as I do with things I find even mildly interesting. We went inside he did a mild dose to see how he reacted to it. After it was over we went for a walk and talked for a bit. Then I went to work. About an hour later I got a text asking for my bird poop picture so I sent him it and asked why he wanted it. He sent me back a picture of his sons baby blanket that had the exact same pattern repeated all over the border of it. There is a whole series of those coincidences that surround psychedelics for me that don't entirely convince me, but they are very peculiar. I think people would look at me like I was crazy if I explained them, haha. Still it's those those subtle coincidences that really make me question reality.

I really have no idea... But it helped me get out of a pretty bad existential funk at a very critical time, new child, so whatever it is... It's powerful and has a lot of potential.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: IlIlIlIlIlIl]
    #26969377 - 10/04/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

IlIlIlIlIlIl It's unbelievable how many incredible coincidences that have happened during trips. I am in the midst of writing a few reports from past experiences and cant wait to share. Absolutely know what you are referring to. Again, I am not concluding with certainty that we are connecting with entities beyond ourselves, however I have witnessed a flood of evidence reliably every time.

Forrester I missed your comment earlier. Good point and very true!!


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon]
    #26969505 - 10/04/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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And you literally can bring a laundry list of questions/concerns/doubts for it to address.




Here's another I've noticed a lot - this seems to be a situation that a select number of people seem to be able to access, and not only with drugs.  I've read entire books of people put under hypnosis that are able to access what they call the subconscious, but it answers as if it were a 3rd party, and will respond and answer just that - "laundry lists" of questions the person under hypnosis wouldn't even be able to answer. 

Whether it's a part of the self or an actual "other" (is there a difference?) I think is irrelevant, either way it's an interesting phenomenon that can be quite useful.

To be honest I'm not one of the lucky ones to have been able to do this, but I've read too many reports under different states to be able to discount it as hallucination or imagination.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Forrester]
    #26969510 - 10/04/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Should watch 'The Gods must be crazy'


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon]
    #26969741 - 10/04/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

There are no "Others" in this Universe of ours, this Universe is an Earth-focussed one and all the action happens here. However, there are many other reality frames or planes of existence if you will, each a self-contained Universe like ours but with its own unique set of physical laws in operation.

When we communicate with "Others" it is done through consciousness I believe, drugs could aide this as can deep meditation.

This is my 2 cents worth for what it is worth.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon]
    #26969930 - 10/04/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

This is a very interesting subject indeed Entities,Angels & demons, its all here hidden under a vail, at least howIbelieve or been taught.
I had a very powerful experience I'll never forget using 4-aco-dmt IV 100mg yep, I did that. I can say full on entity contact was even assaulted by my guardian angel, he was telling me to get rid of a cursed cross I had. This experience rocked me hard, I didn't speak for awhile... But yes I believe these are spirits , Angels , demons we are just removing blinders & opening that 3rd eye:seriousthumbsup::mindblown: we live in spiritual world to think we are here alone is foolish,like I said it's a vail, what if this is the dream & the spirit realm is life really experienced, now I don't believe like that,but also most not trick yourself with psychedelics & believe everything you see in the spirit realm 🙏


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: superbob57]
    #26970180 - 10/05/20 06:23 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

God, or, the Unified consciousness of the Multiverse, chose to start speaking with me, vividly, since age 6. We negotiated my life at that time and it all is coming true.

We've been in contact since then.

I don't need to take drugs or be in an altered state for it, we have a solid 24/7 connection.

He's shown me many miracles in the process of teaching me things.

Its the most awesome thing in my, quite difficult, life.


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