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    #26966155 - 10/02/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Never in my life would I ever have fathomed to write a subject line asking if you have ever spoken to another intelligent lifeform seemingly not of this planet yet transcends your intelligence.

I'm more of a skeptic rather then a believer. I left religion despite genuinely disappointing my mother to the point of tears. I don't belong to any political party and question much of cultural and societal norms.

I've tripped before on L and never before have I seen an entity or spoke to anything. It was a phenomenon I didn't understand what others talked about, until I did shrooms. In silent darkness, I've been in situations where I spoke to, something other. It had many lessons, it was very analogous, and IMO had invested interests as well.

And its not just direct communication. There's been entire experiences where in retrospect I say "holy crap, that played out like it had a director." And there's been other times where they played together in harmony, and boy that conjunction is a powerful combo that makes you reassess everything.

Have you spoken to other entities? Have you met anything in your experiences? Who are they? Who is it?


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon] * 1
    #26966307 - 10/02/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quite a terrifying & beautifully sublime experience with no good way to communicate with others about it. 
Though, Now I can see why angels & demons & deities & aliens etc etc have been depicted as they are via art & literature throughout history.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon]
    #26966483 - 10/02/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Never in my life would I ever have fathomed to write a subject line asking if you have ever spoken to another intelligent lifeform seemingly not of this planet yet transcends your intelligence.

I'm more of a skeptic rather then a believer. I left religion despite genuinely disappointing my mother to the point of tears. I don't belong to any political party and question much of cultural and societal norms.

I've tripped before on L and never before have I seen an entity or spoke to anything. It was a phenomenon I didn't understand what others talked about, until I did shrooms. In silent darkness, I've been in situations where I spoke to, something other. It had many lessons, it was very analogous, and IMO had invested interests as well.

And its not just direct communication. There's been entire experiences where in retrospect I say "holy crap, that played out like it had a director." And there's been other times where they played together in harmony, and boy that conjunction is a powerful combo that makes you reassess everything.

Have you spoken to other entities? Have you met anything in your experiences? Who are they? Who is it?




If you really want to know what it's like smoke increasingly larger doses of the yellow-orange dmt till it happens.

I went in a atheist materialist how had done lsd and other psychedelics. I had never had experience on these that pointed to a different or greater reality than a dead meaningless existence. 

I heard about dmt and thought it would just be strong hallucinations like the other things but with what seemed like beings separate from myself. But I didn't really believe that I would actually think it was anything other than my own mind. 

So when I finally broke through it was from quite a large dose and didn't actually meet any beings but experienced a universal oneness that I didn't even believe was possible to experience. It was a lot stranger than that though I lost all thoughts ideas and memories. I had no ideas of being a self or coming from earth.

anyways if you really wanna know what it's like to experience something you don't think is possible look into dmt.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #26966748 - 10/02/20 11:19 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I've heard some decent psychological explain ations of why the entities are architect s from our own minds. But I mean either way you spin it something amazing is happening. Either our brains are powerful enough to create these entities and worlds or we are literally able to contact other intelligences in free standing realities.

To answer your question. Yes, I've had brief contact. Thru DMT, the communication wasn't verbal or through language, it was more intuitive. Although I was able to talk verbaly. Speaking just was really weird and echoed, but wasn't responded to. It would be hard to say it it was me or something else. Interesting topic.


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    #26966764 - 10/02/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Lenz]
    #26966783 - 10/02/20 11:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

No, I have only heard a perceived 'other' communicate, though it was just a thought, not actual words but in effect it said 'fuck off'

to be clear I don't think the perception of the otherness means much tho compared to the mind's creative capacity. The experiences are fascinating and entertaining their reality is tantalizing, but personally I think the evidence is solidly in the other camp. Even if the entities aren't truly 'other' but merely an aspect of the self, that actually should be pretty fascinating on its own imo

in any case, it was a wild encounter. many other times I have felt like 'others' were watching and with me, present but separate from the physical. Truly unworldly sensation, not the kind of thing you forget even if the details of the exchange are hazier than you'd like


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Ezuma]
    #26966818 - 10/03/20 12:51 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ive had the future told to me through entities masquerading as memories, I think Ive done this before as my dream intuition always is right

When I do meet divine entities they are very much optimist but at the same time rough  disciplinarians.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon]
    #26966854 - 10/03/20 01:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

“Entities” have never spoken to me, though I have been intrigued for years. Took advice on here and dedicated a few mushroom trips to attempting to talk with these beings. Nothing has ever spoken back to me.

But the intrigue is ever present because I very often “sense” these entities. It’s a feeling I get,that I’m meeting energies that I have met in trips before, nd sensed in people when I’ve been lucid. It’s a very comforting feeling,me specially when the trip is intense. I spent an entire trip convinced a dead friend was with me; I talked to him throughout the trip, sharing the experience. Magical. I’m also convinced I’ve sensed one of my dogs who passed away a few years back (and I still grieve for him :frown:)

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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26966890 - 10/03/20 02:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

There has been the experience on mushrooms, in particular, of a “guide” or wise entity curating the experience. The lessons learned in these states are palpable —they seem to bubble up from the body-mind—and seem timeless and universal. A metaphysical explanation is not necessary to explain this but it is certainly an experience to simply take as it is. It is good to be flexible and not jump to conclusions.

The “mushroom spirit” is noticeably absent in the LSD state, interestingly.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26966969 - 10/03/20 05:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, lots of times.

Sometimes about important spiritual stuff, sometimes about mundane things like what's nice to eat, other times about simple nonsense and gossip. I've been awed and humbled by massive Gods that spit visible words at me that I could not understand, and had sexy conversations with interdimensional jesters who have sucked and fucked me.

My experiences aren't necessarily average though, I've combined multiple types of psychedelics lots of times and that's when this sort of thing happens.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon] * 1
    #26967352 - 10/03/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The Blind Ass,I've largely thought the same after those experiences. It makes you wonder how much of history has been people trying to unravel these experiences.

Eggtimer Cant wait to be able to go down that route, it seems genuinely beautiful. I will say though, high doses in silent darkness brings wonders that are parallel to what you're saying!

IlIlIlIlIlIl Trust me, me too. I have gone down the rabbit hole of arguments arguing that the entities are constructs and manifestations of our subconscious and our brain. I will say however, despite spending hours upon hours trying to prove my own thoughts and conclusions wrong (trying to prove its a type of delusion because its so arduous to accept the absurdity of the potential reality experienced), tripping at high doses it genuinely feels as if all my concerns/questions/doubts/arguments were all answered in a way that felt like a director guiding a play followed by direct experience. I cannot recommend silent darkness enough at high amounts for this.

Lenz Two things, I love your signature and I love the way you put it. The question is, who are the 'others'?

Ezuma My response to IlIlIlIlIlIl largely applies to your post, although I am not dismissing these possibilities. In fact, I think it's largely the ultimate question about these experiences. Is it manifested or are we literally accessing other realms, dimensions, while making contact with transcendental entities? Regardless, the conclusions made during these experiences transformed my life, my thinking, my perception, and the way I handled myself. When I look at the 'before' and 'after', there are quantum leaps in progress.

Yokal Wow! Do you know who Paul Stamets is? He had very similar experiences, which is truly astonishing (just the way I like it). Very true, 'rough disciplinarians' is an amazing way to put it. I am so happy I made this post!

CountHTML I've had that same experience where I came across overwhelming realizations as a result, and then in retrospect writing down my experience, even more breakthroughs are made and the more I realize it felt like 'something' was guiding me to these answers and crafted the entire experience to make it so. Although I have amazing ideas on L, the type of 'director' experience is unique to shrooms for me.

Northerner Love it and I know what you mean. Your last point reminds me of one of the funniest Terence McKenna stories where he takes DMT on LSD to extend the experience thinking his neighbors went home for Christmas break, but then someones knocks on his door...Too funny and I recommend checking it out! Spoiler alert: transdimensional transformational elves are involved :-P


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon]
    #26967452 - 10/03/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Only time I really spoke to an entity was probably when I was on L and shrooms simultaneously. It was like asking the universe for a favor. I asked the universe to spare my mother from death from cancer even if it meant that I would die instead. She got better. Could easily be a coincidence

On a strong salvia trip I got ripped out of my body and pulled to the center of all consciousness. I don't remember what the green goddess told me, but it was all so vivid. Yet afterwards I woke up and kept asking my buddies if I had died.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: CrazyDragon]
    #26967662 - 10/03/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Ezuma My response to IlIlIlIlIlIl largely applies to your post, although I am not dismissing these possibilities. In fact, I think it's largely the ultimate question about these experiences. Is it manifested or are we literally accessing other realms, dimensions, while making contact with transcendental entities? Regardless, the conclusions made during these experiences transformed my life, my thinking, my perception, and the way I handled myself. When I look at the 'before' and 'after', there are quantum leaps in progress.






I fully agree that whether or not entities are self or truly a real perceiving other, they can have great significance and even utility. Whatever the case we all know so little about the reality we inhabit that I can't truly rule anything out, or fully invest either. It's all, at some level, a great 'who knows'
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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #26968143 - 10/03/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I think entities are all self generated illusion/delusion, no matter how real or autonomous they seem.

There was a time when I had doubts about that, but as time has moved on it's the conclusion I've come to.


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    #26968145 - 10/03/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I think entities are all self generated illusion/delusion, no matter how real or autonomous they seem.

There was a time when I had doubts about that, but as time has moved on it's the conclusion I've come to.




I agree, and I notice the longer its been since I've tripped the more strongly I believe that, whereas while tripping its more like 50/50 for me


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #26968165 - 10/03/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I know what you mean Ezuma. They seem so real at the time, that is the nature of delusion though.  :twitchy:

The human brain is a crazy multidimensional thing, it's no wonder that when we start pouring stuff in it that makes it fire like mad and short-circuit that we see crazy shit beyond the realms of our usual understanding.



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    #26968214 - 10/03/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I know what you mean Ezuma. They seem so real at the time, that is the nature of delusion though.  :twitchy:

The human brain is a crazy multidimensional thing, it's no wonder that when we start pouring stuff in it that makes it fire like mad and short-circuit that we see crazy shit beyond the realms of our usual understanding.


hardcore article here for those who are inclined




If we're speaking bluntly here, as we should when it comes to such important issues, this type of delusion would be a literal mental illness.

It just seems unusual (to me at least) that a mental illness would so consistently derive important lessons that we could not figure out sober that hold true when re-evaluating the situation sober.


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    #26968254 - 10/03/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah man, many people have lost their shit believing the stuff they have seen in psychedelics realms. Gone from a temporary state of delusion into a full blown psychotic episode that permeates their lives.

Importance, value and truth is relative and subjective. I've used this shitty analogy before but I'll apply it again here:

A man owns a brick, he believes this brick is God. It is apparent to him that all things good and bad, creation itself, is due to the brick. The importance of the mans beliefs cannot be denied as the self confirming reality them prove what he experiences is actual reality. He considers himself enlightened, he does not need to question the meaning of life nor experience existential despair.

Sure we could mock this reality, label the man delusional. But in reality he is no more delusional than any religious person. Our lens of perception and what we choose to believe has no basis of proof in other people's perception. As you well know there's a lot of people out there with a lot of very funny ideas who are apparently sane, as well as many others who I'd consider truly sane that are derided by society in general.


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Re: Have you spoken to the 'Other'? [Re: Northerner]
    #26968370 - 10/03/20 11:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I have had experience with the "Machine Elves". I think I heard of it in a lecture by Terence Mckenna.

The thing that is most interesting for me is that the cutting edge University centers have a combo neuropsychiatry, psychology and divinity investigators. This seems to be a new phenomenon when the medical scientists are going to the heads of divinity and asking ... WTF was that!


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    #26968490 - 10/04/20 02:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Northener,

I feel you and I get your point, but I'm not sure the analogy works here.

First, let me acknowledge there's plenty of people caught in delusion and there's many others that believe what they want to believe.

However I believe many people whom do psychedelics could not be more skeptics then anyone. The man with the brick isn't questioning anything. He isn't discussing his beliefs or doubting his perception. I think why hearing trip reports such as Sam Harris' recent 5 dried gram trip report was is so compelling. He got his name by being a skeptic in the league of Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens.

The aspect about psychedelics that I believe is most compelling is that it is direct experience. If you do enough of with serious intentions, there isn't an aspect of reality you don't question or doubt.

I will forever doubt all conclusions in this realm and question the nature of reality. One aspect I will grant it however is, it's there to confront. You can go into it with all doubts in mind, questioning the 'order' of the situation, and it will respond and address the concerns (in a high enough dose in silent darkness). I know Ive gone into it before ready to argue and question every moment pertaining it to chaos, nothing higher. And every time I have, it has kicked me in the butt and made me experience phenomenon to question my questions, and in retrospect, many of those moments were direct answers to my questions. When experiences in hindsight feel as if a director was involved including direct communication in addition to absolutely subverting expectations as well as showing magnificent beauty and love in the process, I just can't dismiss it at this stage in my life that it's something more.

It's such a fascinating topic and at the end of the day, I believe this is one of the ultimate questions of psychedelics.


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