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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#27138372 - 01/09/21 08:01 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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You referred to the electoral system in your previous comment and no, I don't believe it casts doubt on that. If foreign actors influenced voters, that would a major cause for concern but it's not the same thing as the system by which votes are cast and counted being the problem. And it would not be reasonable grounds for overturning election results. Whether or not voters were influenced by whoever, if their votes were counted fair and square then the results should stand.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods] 1
#27138373 - 01/09/21 08:01 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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psi said: IIRC liberals claimed that foreign actors influenced the election by influencing public opinion, not that the election results did not reflect what voters intended. Trump did claim in 2016 that there was a massive discrepancy between legally cast votes and the results though, and that he had actually won the 2016 popular vote.
Dont you think they undermined the electoral system when they promoted a conspiracy theory about the president elect colluding with a foreign power with no eviddence for years?
The election was over before we found out about the investigation into possible collusion.
If anything, the fbi saying the Clinton investigation was being reopnened, while LYING about the fact that Trump was also under investigation a week before the election is a better example of electoral interference.
I dont see what that has to do with whether or not Hilry undermined the electoral system, Im talking to like 5 people at once here. Try to stay on track, man.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#27138376 - 01/09/21 08:03 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Did she ?
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: SirTripAlot] 1
#27138379 - 01/09/21 08:04 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: They killed a war veteran with a fire extinguisher. Gotta support the suckers (Trumps words for the fallen)
Oh look, another baseless claim about Trump, saying he called veterans suckers, once again, qfd. quoted for defamation.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Psilynut2] 1
#27138381 - 01/09/21 08:05 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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If all that has been said about Trump by mainstream democrats is true then an insurrection is quite understandable. Including the baseless claims that he conspired with Russia to influence the election.
So you would have have understood if Democrats had done the same thing for Hillary because of all the lies told about Obama ?
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#27138387 - 01/09/21 08:07 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Dude Hillary called Trump, to concede.
Ok, I didnt say anything with any certainty, Hillary conceded. She kept it up with the baseless conspiracy theory to long in any case.
Hilary popped her head up a half dozen times over the last four years.
Trump hasn’t not stopped talking about the election for two months. He only thinks about the election. He is not a stable person. He’s delusional. He’s full of rage. He’s demonstrated his willingness to retain power outside the democratic process. Your comparison to Hillary are laughable.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN] 1
#27138394 - 01/09/21 08:09 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#27138401 - 01/09/21 08:13 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: They killed a war veteran with a fire extinguisher. Gotta support the suckers (Trumps words for the fallen)
Oh look, another baseless claim about Trump, saying he called veterans suckers, once again, qfd. quoted for defamation.
How is that baseless? The story has multiple sources. It’s also exactly the kind of thing trump would say, because he’s said that kind of thing before. He said people who get captured in battle are not war heroes, and he likes people who don’t get captured.
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Trump told a conservative forum in Iowa in 2015 that his view of McCain changed when McCain lost the 2008 presidential election to Obama. “He lost, so I never liked him as much after that, ’cause I don’t like losers,” he said. Trump went on to dismiss McCain’s war service: “He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured.”
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Psilynut2]
#27138409 - 01/09/21 08:16 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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How did Hillary undermine the electoral system. That doesn’t even make sense.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods]
#27138413 - 01/09/21 08:19 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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You know Trumps 24/7 news network will have tv segments devoted about Hillary. Talk about fixated.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods]
#27138414 - 01/09/21 08:19 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: They killed a war veteran with a fire extinguisher. Gotta support the suckers (Trumps words for the fallen)
Oh look, another baseless claim about Trump, saying he called veterans suckers, once again, qfd. quoted for defamation.
How is that baseless? The story has multiple sources. It’s also exactly the kind of thing trump would say, because he’s said that kind of thing before. He said people who get captured in battle are not war heroes, and he likes people who don’t get captured.
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Trump told a conservative forum in Iowa in 2015 that his view of McCain changed when McCain lost the 2008 presidential election to Obama. “He lost, so I never liked him as much after that, ’cause I don’t like losers,” he said. Trump went on to dismiss McCain’s war service: “He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured.”
Certainly a disparaging sentiment against veterans but I don't see the word "suckers" in the quote.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi] 2
#27138467 - 01/09/21 08:47 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Im way behind and dont feel like replying to every post to catch up before saying this because its important and relevant to pretty much every post in the last couple pages:
let me remind people I'm not here to defend all of Trumps actions or words and the john mccain quote is a perfect example of that. thats something Trump said that I have always disliked long before the 2020 election controversy.
my argument is that Trump is not responsible for violent acts committed by individuals with free will when he has not incited violence. (Just like I will continue to say about Bernie after a Bernie supporter shot up some republicans.) he is responsible for raising the political tensions in a time when tensions have been ratcheted up for years and still are by all sorts of people. and I feel like every conversation I try to have about the double standard devolves into people pulling up bad things about Trump and trying to get me to defend him. I dont want to defend a lot of the crap hes said. and I dont even support him because of all the crap he says. I legitimately just like a lot of the policies under his administration. Not even all of them and there are proposed policies I dont like as well.
Im not interested in defending all the shitty stuff he says regardless of whether or not I think it makes him responsible for violent acts.
p.s. Psi you are having quite a reasonable conversation with me, I dont mean you.
edit: John McCain is a true war hero who not only faced permanent inury and being captured and put in a pow camp but who had the chance to leave and chose to stay to support his fellow soldiers and ended up being imprisoned for five years. and fuck Trump for saying that. but thats not to say I would want the democrats in power If I wan an American.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#27138509 - 01/09/21 09:07 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: Im way behind and dont feel like replying to every post to catch up before saying this because its important and relevant to pretty much every post in the last couple pages:
let me remind people I'm not here to defend all of Trumps actions or words and the john mccain quote is a perfect example of that. thats something Trump said that I have always disliked long before the 2020 election controversy.
my argument is that Trump is not responsible for violent acts committed by individuals with free will when he has not incited violence. (Just like I will continue to say about Bernie after a Bernie supporter shot up some republicans.) he is responsible for raising the political tensions in a time when tensions have been ratcheted up for years and still are by all sorts of people. and I feel like every conversation I try to have about the double standard devolves into people pulling up bad things about Trump and trying to get me to defend him. I dont want to defend a lot of the crap hes said. and I dont even support him because of all the crap he says. I legitimately just like a lot of the policies under his administration. Not even all of them and there are proposed policies I dont like as well.
Im not interested in defending all the shitty stuff he says regardless of whether or not I think it makes him responsible for violent acts.
p.s. Psi you are having quite a reasonable conversation with me, I dont mean you.
edit: John McCain is a true war hero who not only faced permanent inury and being captured and put in a pow camp but who had the chance to leave and chose to stay to support his fellow soldiers and ended up being imprisoned for five years. and fuck Trump for saying that. but thats not to say I would want the democrats in power If I wan an American.
So youre saying he didnt start the fire?? It was always burning? Since the world's been turning? And he just threw some gasoline on it?
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi]
#27138521 - 01/09/21 09:12 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: They killed a war veteran with a fire extinguisher. Gotta support the suckers (Trumps words for the fallen)
Oh look, another baseless claim about Trump, saying he called veterans suckers, once again, qfd. quoted for defamation.
How is that baseless? The story has multiple sources. It’s also exactly the kind of thing trump would say, because he’s said that kind of thing before. He said people who get captured in battle are not war heroes, and he likes people who don’t get captured.
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Trump told a conservative forum in Iowa in 2015 that his view of McCain changed when McCain lost the 2008 presidential election to Obama. “He lost, so I never liked him as much after that, ’cause I don’t like losers,” he said. Trump went on to dismiss McCain’s war service: “He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured.”
Certainly a disparaging sentiment against veterans but I don't see the word "suckers" in the quote.
trump was accused of calling war dead “losers and suckers.”
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#27138531 - 01/09/21 09:16 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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I havent watched the speech but I do agree that 'inciting pretexts' are no match for illegal acts that cause riots
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#27138748 - 01/09/21 11:10 PM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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At what point would Trump be responsible? What would he have to say?
He told them he had won in a landslide. If he had conceded when it was clear he had lost in the first week of November, those people never would have marched. Instead he told them it was fraud. If he had conceded after he had lost 60 court cases, those people would never have stormed the Capitol. Instead he told them the election had been stolen from them. If he had conceded after the electoral votes had been cast, none of those people would have died.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Lynnch]
#27138845 - 01/10/21 12:32 AM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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Daddy knows what he’s doing
They call him daddy in forums sometimes. It’s a cult.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods] 2
#27138958 - 01/10/21 03:26 AM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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At this point DT may remind one of Tony Montana (Al Pacino) at the end of the movie: Scarface
No way is DT a decent person, let alone an innocent one .
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: laughingdog]
#27138964 - 01/10/21 03:33 AM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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He’s unencumbered by normal human emotions and morality
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods] 2
#27139375 - 01/10/21 09:55 AM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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like a majority of the country
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