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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 2
    #27102431 - 12/22/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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....people support a plantation model where 95% of folks are slaves and everyone else is cruising around on 100 ft yachts and jet planes?



*looks around* Kinda seems that way some days.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27105373 - 12/24/20 07:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I mean....



Context: UN had a vote today on condemning Nazism, the US and Ukraine (whose nazis we’re funneling arms and funds to as a bulwark against Russia) voted against that.

What a joke this country is. Can’t even symbolically condemn Nazis.




The U.S. says their no vote came from the resolution's requirements that would infringe on 1st amendment free speech. I don't take anything our government says at face value, but if we didn't allow Nazi demonstrations it seems obvious they would go after the left as well.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27105503 - 12/24/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

They already go after the left. The least they could do is denounce the Nazis.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #27105517 - 12/24/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Following the U.N. resolution would gut the 1st Amendment. It's not about denouncing Nazis. It would prohibit all Nazi speech. And then what?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #27106113 - 12/24/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The Republicans need to either look to their values of the past or invent new ones, but the current one is a dead end.




You may hold that opinion, but the 74,000,000 people who voted for Trump probably disagree. Are you claiming 74,000,000 people support a plantation model where 95% of folks are slaves and everyone else is cruising around on 100 ft yachts and jet planes?





I'm saying 74,000,000 people voted for a guy known perfectly well around the world to be a complete asshat prior to his election. Voted for a guy who said things at rallys like "beat him up, I'll bail you out" towards dissenters and held none of the values and virtues that republicans used to pride themselves on like decency, family values and rational policy making.

Worldwide there is a strong connection between conservatism and upholding a standard of decency and decorum.

In the US, that went completely out the window with the election of Trump. No decency, no decorum, barely rational.




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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27106183 - 12/24/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Following the U.N. resolution would gut the 1st Amendment. It's not about denouncing Nazis. It would prohibit all Nazi speech. And then what?




It is about denouncing Nazis. The US had no problem barring communists from immigration.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27106734 - 12/25/20 12:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27107798 - 12/25/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Following the U.N. resolution would gut the 1st Amendment. It's not about denouncing Nazis. It would prohibit all Nazi speech. And then what?




It is about denouncing Nazis. The US had no problem barring communists from immigration.




Possibly, but a lot of my Indian friends from grad school were Marxists and they're still here 30 years later. The question is do you want to bar speech?  It's more than a symbolic issue.
Some countries do bar what they consider hate speech, and they included many from the list of abstainers.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #27108364 - 12/26/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I was referencing a recent change in policy:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/03/world/asia/us-visa-china-communist-party.html


But the US has always been virulently anti communist. If our red scares went after Nazis and the KKK instead of civil rights movements and communists, the former would scarcely exist (rather than the former). So then the question becomes why was that choice made, and I think the answer is pretty obvious.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27108383 - 12/26/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

We have an immense history of anticommunism. It's primarily been centered on foreign affairs since the IWW was crushed and the AFL decided it was prudent to stay out of politics and concentrate on workers wages. We haven't had much radical leftism here except around 1970 with the Black Panthers and Weatherman faction of the SDS. I don't doubt that we would target any that did arise.

But the FBI has a long history of infiltrating KKK chapters. As reprehensible as American Nazi's are, I don't think they have posed much of a threat, and they are mainly a nuisance group of publicity hounds. There was the Greensboro murders, and the ensuing trials were a whitewash.

It has been disturbing during this years protests to see the police treat right wing extremists as their allies against BLM and ANTIFA.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27108389 - 12/26/20 08:28 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Sure they infiltrate the KKK but they don’t dismantle their organization, assassinate their leaders, or otherwise criminalize their beliefs. Law enforcement has a long history with militant racism (obviously) but also defending capital. The first police in this country were slave patrols. Later, fledgling local militias and private armies like the Pinkerton were used to crush labor disputes.

It’s no surprise the state bears down on an ideology that preaches equality (racial and material).


The KKK doesn’t present a threat to capital, in fact it stokes racial divisions which helps capital. Same for the neo nazis, so why would the state lift a finger against them when they’re helping them.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27108401 - 12/26/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

But that's mostly just in your imagination.  Sure, there were several times when fighting domestic communism became a policy priority, but it is undoubtable that more money and man-hours are spent on fighting crimes against public safety.  That's been the case every year, even in the most anti-communist periods.

Again, this is just another one of your cynical fairytales where you take the shameful parts of our history and pretend that those are representative of the entire nation today.  It's simply not true, however.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil]
    #27108651 - 12/26/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah racist authoritarianism and virulent anti communism is in no way indicative of the US today.

When did it stop being indicative, in your opinion?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27108662 - 12/26/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You don't think that racism is a major part of U.S. culture today?  Did you miss the time about two months ago when 72 million Americans voted for Trump?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil]
    #27108702 - 12/26/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Trump rose in popularity among minorities.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil]
    #27108705 - 12/26/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like a cynical fairytale to me. Trump was elected over 4 years ago. We’re past that now.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27108708 - 12/26/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Trump rose in popularity among minorities.



There's uneducated people in every group.

More people voted this year than any previous election. Popularity of politicians increased


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27108721 - 12/26/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Now that sounds like an enlil argument :thumbup:


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27108735 - 12/26/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Also it's out of context. Trump had the worst support from minorities of any candidate back in 2016. It's not surprising when the only direction it can go is up.

Some people had fortune over the last few years in their endeavors and correlate it with trump :shrug: people are simple creatures


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #27108737 - 12/26/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

especially with what the DNC did to fuck up the primaries both times


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