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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #27097796 - 12/19/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Also strange that all of Europe and other allies like Korea, Japan, New Zealand and Australia voted in abstention.




the people in charge know what's coming, they want to keep every option (even symbolically) on the table lol

sure automation will take jobs, but we will employ so many youths shooting down climate refugee boats before century's end that it'll be fine :cookiemonster:


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27097900 - 12/19/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Also strange that all of Europe and other allies like Korea, Japan, New Zealand and Australia voted in abstention.




Is it?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #27097903 - 12/19/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Also strange that all of Europe and other allies like Korea, Japan, New Zealand and Australia voted in abstention.




the people in charge know what's coming, they want to keep every option (even symbolically) on the table lol

sure automation will take jobs, but we will employ so many youths shooting down climate refugee boats before century's end that it'll be fine :cookiemonster:




This massive right wing propaganda effort in the West is just buttering up the populace for the eventual acceptance that, hey, it sucks but the billions of people in the global south just have to die. We don’t have the resources to save everyone. I’d say at least 40% of the US is already on board with that.

I mean look at the Europe. Even nations with sizable left wing populations like Greece are still sinking migrant boats in the Mediterranean. Capitalism’s greatest weapon is artificial scarcity. Convince everyone that there isn’t enough and we have to resort to extreme measures to simply keep what meager resources we currently have. 


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27097986 - 12/19/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, it's pretty clear that's what we have to look forward to. 'Climate change is no real problem, it just means a purge of everybody not genetically superior enough to be born inside mega city 1, it's basically good for the species'

the amount of people you see here talking about what a travesty overpopulation is... the problem is consumption by a very small class, and they will defend that consumption to any end, and it seems its very easy for them to get people on board as long as they think they have a shot at being the 'in group'


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27098728 - 12/20/20 03:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I mean....



Context: UN had a vote today on condemning Nazism, the US and Ukraine (whose nazis we’re funneling arms and funds to as a bulwark against Russia) voted against that.

What a joke this country is. Can’t even symbolically condemn Nazis.





Republicans consider the Nazi party far left though, because one of the points the actual Nazis spearheaded was helping the entirety of what they defined as their people advance in such a manner that the rich help the poor and the poor help the rich to make what was defined as the nation advance as a single entity. Those considered outside the scope of the nation were eradicated.

The modern Republican stance as spearheaded by Trump is that the mega rich have to get every support from the government to become giga rich and that the middle class and poor are te be exploited asa means to that goal and are only good at best to suck the dick of the super rich with their dying breath.

I'm not glorifying Hitler here, he was scum, but merely pointing out that modern day republicanism under Trump has devolved into something worse than the Nazi party. The Nazi party wanted to shave off the bottom 5%, Trumps Republicans in effect want to shave off the bottom 95%.

The Republicans need to either look to their values of the past or invent new ones, but the current one is a dead end.

The Nazi Party had this thing of "Make Germany Great Again" where they rolled out a program that benefitted all ethnic Germans by elevating the whole nation, with exceptions of some minorities.

Trump promised "Make America Great Again" but he wasnt interested at all in elevating America but instead in cannibalizing most of it to make the fatcats fewer and fatter.

The irony is that the US moved so far to the right that Trump promised a Nazi-style nationwide pre war improvement but was after something more sinister, turning the US into a more of a plantation model than it already is, with the majority slaving and dyinf for their Massas with their 100ft yachts and jet planes.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27098851 - 12/20/20 07:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
I mean....



Context: UN had a vote today on condemning Nazism, the US and Ukraine (whose nazis we’re funneling arms and funds to as a bulwark against Russia) voted against that.

What a joke this country is. Can’t even symbolically condemn Nazis.




Everyone has the right to freedom of conscience, freedom of speech and peaceful assembly in USA, even self avowed nazis. Nazis are allowed to exist just like the people that speak against nazis.

The government cant combat people's beliefs or speech like that. If they were to see a Jewish person walking by and someone incites violence against him or threatens him or something then that is a call to action and that is not protected. but just declaring yourself a nazi or a member of any ideological, philosophical, etc group can not be made illegal, combated or condemned by the government.

I'm sure we would both be appalled if the government had the power to condemn and combat citizens who were opposed to nazism. So why give it the power to condemn anyone for their personal beliefs if they arent hurting anyone? the path to hell is paved with good intentions. If you do everything in your power to dismantle the legal system and all the protections it guarantees to go after the people you dont like, they will use everything you threw at them and more at you if they manage to get into power and it will just escalate from there.

Regardless of whether or not the constitution protects freedom of conscience, it doesn't change the fact that Trump has personally disavowed White supremecy and neo nazism. The government's lack of a position and Trump's personal position are two different things.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #27098853 - 12/20/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Got any proof of that condemnation? I have video proof he enticed them to stand by


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27098904 - 12/20/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I agreed wih damn near everything bananaman said up until those last 2 sentences.

Trump, as far as I've seen, has not publically denounced white supremacists.

He's said there are good peope on both sides and told the proud boys to "stand back and stand by"
which is the furthest thing from condemnation.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: natedawgnow]
    #27098932 - 12/20/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm sure we would both be appalled if the government had the power to condemn and combat citizens who were opposed to nazism. So why give it the power to condemn anyone for their personal beliefs if they arent hurting anyone? the path to hell is paved with good intentions.




There are good things and bad things. Naziism is objectively bad. When you won’t condemn it, you are telling everyone you don’t think Nazis are bad.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods] * 3
    #27099118 - 12/20/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It’s not objectively bad.

It requires a moral judgment, but people like to pretend that the government should fight THE ENTIRE WORLD on whether it’s okay to be a Nazi rather than make some ideological declaration. Meanwhile the CIA spends a century waging war against socialism, black people, etc.

If Nazis are objectively bad then the US government is objectively bad.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods] * 1
    #27099364 - 12/20/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Got any proof of that condemnation? I have video proof he enticed them to stand by



the moderator brought in the "stand down" language, Biden brought up the proud boys. he had just said multiple times he was willing to condemn white supremecy. then they said "then do it" like idiots even though he just did so Trump asked what exactly he should call them and Biden said the proudboys.

that was a clean condemnation

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I'm sure we would both be appalled if the government had the power to condemn and combat citizens who were opposed to nazism. So why give it the power to condemn anyone for their personal beliefs if they arent hurting anyone? the path to hell is paved with good intentions.




There are good things and bad things. Naziism is objectively bad. When you won’t condemn it, you are telling everyone you don’t think Nazis are bad.



They arent saying its not bad. they arent taking a position. its protecting freedom of conscience.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #27099381 - 12/20/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'd think "stand by" is the more concerning part.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: natedawgnow] * 2
    #27099476 - 12/20/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I agreed wih damn near everything bananaman said up until those last 2 sentences.

Trump, as far as I've seen, has not publically denounced white supremacists.

He's said there are good peope on both sides and told the proud boys to "stand back and stand by"
which is the furthest thing from condemnation.



the good people on both sides was also misunderstood. he thought the Charlottesville rally was just a rally about whether or not the statue should come down. He specifically said he wasn't talking about the white supremacists or Antifa. just the people on both sides of the statue debate who disagreed with each other.

the media calls everyone white supremacists who disagrees with them including orthodox jews so Trump can't trust the media when they ask him about white supremacists. But as it turns out, in this case the label was correct and the rally was organized by white supremacists. but Trump said he wasn't talking about them. he was talking about the people in Charlottesville who had different opinions about what to do with the statue.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi]
    #27099478 - 12/20/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'd think "stand by" is the more concerning part.



The moderator asked him if he would tell militia groups to "stand down"

Trump botched that and said stand back and stand by. he clearly misspoke.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 2
    #27099532 - 12/20/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

He was clearly double speaking


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #27099694 - 12/20/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The moderator asked him if he would tell militia groups to "stand down"

Trump botched that and said stand back and stand by. he clearly misspoke.



I'm willing to admit that he misspoke.

But it's pretty obvious that the proud boys heard "stand by" loud and clear.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Lynnch]
    #27099705 - 12/20/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah that much is pretty certain I think. Weren't there shirts made with the slogan pretty much immediately?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods] * 3
    #27102352 - 12/22/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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There are good things and bad things. Naziism is objectively bad. When you won’t condemn it, you are telling everyone you don’t think Nazis are bad.




Mother Teresa never condemned child rape. Should she be damned for her silence? 

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the media calls everyone white supremacists who disagrees with them including orthodox jews so Trump can't trust the media when they ask him about white supremacists.




Good point. And although Trump has denounced white supremacy many times, many people cling to delusion - like the lie that Trump told Americans to inject bleach into their veins. Some of my friends are still telling me that. 

Much of the media indorses Critical Race Theory, that claims racism and white supremacy is engrained in the fabric and system of American society.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27102368 - 12/22/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The Republicans need to either look to their values of the past or invent new ones, but the current one is a dead end.




You may hold that opinion, but the 74,000,000 people who voted for Trump probably disagree. Are you claiming 74,000,000 people support a plantation model where 95% of folks are slaves and everyone else is cruising around on 100 ft yachts and jet planes?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #27102423 - 12/22/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Mother Teresa was a cunt. Terrible choice for an analogy


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