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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated] * 1
    #27073490 - 12/05/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

its all the same ideology


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated] * 1
    #27073496 - 12/05/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

im not saying times arent a changing, just very quickly towards a bad place


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods]
    #27073500 - 12/05/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Good lord you’re posting Laura Ingraham videos now? Lol



If you watched it (2:32-3:32), you'd see that's the same retarded claim the establishment is making.  You'll see Ro Khanna's response to that in that portion.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated]
    #27073507 - 12/05/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm somewhere between newt Gingrich and strom Thurmond


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #27073508 - 12/05/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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You keep saying the status quo as if it means anything.  We have been in constant change for 50 years.




Changing how? What ideological mechanisms are forcing this change? Does it parallel voter sentiment?

Honestly don’t get why you refuse to entertain these questions. The decline we see in America (wages, social programs, tax base, union representation, etc) is a direct result of the neoliberal turn, with Democrats moving from the New Deal towards the “third way” compromise. Simply put, the powerful’s obsession with appeasing “market forces” has brought about a state of dissatisfaction with the way things are being run in this country. Folks don’t always correctly label the problem, but the sentiment is there nonetheless.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi]
    #27073509 - 12/05/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I would have  thought the "public healthcare  is tantamount to communism" sentiment would rule out someone like Sanders for a lot of centrist voters.



69 Percent of Americans Want Medicare for All, Including 46 Percent of Republicans, New Poll Says


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #27073513 - 12/05/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

People turned towards trump in desperation.

People shouted MAGA because they sense the decline, it’s clear as day. They don’t know exactly what is keeping America from being great, they just know that it isn’t. And the Democrats, in typical form, responded that “America is already great,” then they were promptly swept out of power.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27073514 - 12/05/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Changing how?


In every conceivable way.
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What ideological mechanisms are forcing this change?


The mechanism of voting.
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Does it parallel voter sentiment?


yes.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27073515 - 12/05/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

As someone whose job revolves around using certain tactics to change people’s minds around specific people and events, I’d like to think you can see how politics is so much more than punching ballots. Indeed, some of the biggest changes happened because of events outside of electoral politics.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27073516 - 12/05/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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People turned towards trump in desperation.

People shouted MAGA because they sense the decline, it’s clear as day. They don’t know exactly what is keeping America from being great, they just know that it isn’t. And the Democrats, in typical form, responded that “America is already great,” then they were promptly swept out of power.



Many Americans are still in denial about the decline.  They've convinced themselves that if only we did X, it would all turn around.  The reality is that there is no X to turn it around.  Decline is inevitable, and we should be retooling for the new reality.  That's hard to do when so many people haven't yet accepted that reality.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27073517 - 12/05/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

“Things are bad because the voters make the wrong choices” is about the laziest take imaginable.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27073521 - 12/05/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

And it's false.  Things are bad because the world is changing.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #27073522 - 12/05/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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People turned towards trump in desperation.

People shouted MAGA because they sense the decline, it’s clear as day. They don’t know exactly what is keeping America from being great, they just know that it isn’t. And the Democrats, in typical form, responded that “America is already great,” then they were promptly swept out of power.



Many Americans are still in denial about the decline.  They've convinced themselves that if only we did X, it would all turn around.  The reality is that there is no X to turn it around.  Decline is inevitable, and we should be retooling for the new reality.  That's hard to do when so many people haven't yet accepted that reality.





The Nordic countries did a halfway decent job negotiating the end of their colonial power. They downsized their armies, raised taxes, and enacted programs to take care of their people.

What Sanders was offering was just that.

But yeah, we don’t have a national conversation concerning this topic, because the media doesn’t want people considering the idea we can’t go back to global domination. They want us all believing we can just tinker around the edges, cut taxes and services until the invisible hand lifts us back up among the stars.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27073524 - 12/05/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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And it's false.  Things are bad because the world is changing.




What’s your prescription for this issue? People vote and things get worse, so voting can’t be the answer.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27073525 - 12/05/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

We mostly agree. The days of pillaging the world to fund our excess are numbered.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27073531 - 12/05/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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And it's false.  Things are bad because the world is changing.




What’s your prescription for this issue? People vote and things get worse, so voting can’t be the answer.



Voting leads to political change. That's always going to lag behind cultural change,  though. We need American culture to be one that embraces a role as part of a global economy instead of trying to dominate it. That's going to take time and death to make happen.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #27073535 - 12/05/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think we’re locked in at this point. Names floated by the Biden transition team suggest we’re going back to the Obama playbook of putting a little lipstick on the pig. The folks in charge would rather we enter a winner take all war with China than cede power.

Not to mention we have like a decade to curb carbon emissions, and if 2020 proved anything it’s that the governments of the world are in no way prepared to handle huge crises.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27073539 - 12/05/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

We don't have a decade. Time's been up for awhile now. It's already a shit sandwich.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27073543 - 12/05/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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And it's false.  Things are bad because the world is changing.




What’s your prescription for this issue? People vote and things get worse, so voting can’t be the answer.



Voting leads to political change. That's always going to lag behind cultural change,  though. We need American culture to be one that embraces a role as part of a global economy instead of trying to dominate it. That's going to take time and death to make happen.




This is where we disagree.

Culture is downstream from politics, not vice versa. But politics is also bigger than just elections.

Cops killing black folks was a political issue.
BLM was a political response.
And now the culture has changed to reflect that response.

I dunno maybe we just disagree on what constitutes politics.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated]
    #27073545 - 12/05/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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bidens brain is fucked from hella cardiac problems in the 80s

drugs much




What cardiac problems? You’re making shit up.


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