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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #27073413 - 12/05/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Vast majority of Democratic voters want a Green New Deal, Medicare For All, increase in taxes on the rich, an end to forever wars, and serious campaign finance reform.

The Democratic leadership reject these ideas on their face, because Democratic voters doesn’t like those ideas. A presidential candidate championing these popular policy positions stands no chance.

This makes sense to me.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27073414 - 12/05/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Except the polls were the only metric that showed Biden having the best chance against Trump, and even those were mixed.



The only metric you looked at, perhaps.  For those of us who looked at the candidates for who held the closest position to President, Biden was way ahead. Anyone even close to the same experience was fringe and never really had a chance at getting even one delegate.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #27073417 - 12/05/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Except the polls were the only metric that showed Biden having the best chance against Trump, and even those were mixed.



The only metric you looked at, perhaps.  For those of us who looked at the candidates for who held the closest position to President, Biden was way ahead.




Ah yes, credentialism. The metric that means so much to the electorate who previously voted in a reality tv star.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27073422 - 12/05/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The majority never voted for a reality tv star, though.  You know this, of course.  The problem with trump is that he was so much of an "outsider" that he was a buffoon.  The best opponent for him this election was someone who knows Washington and can present a professional image to the rest of the world.  If that person has had prior experience in the executive branch, even better.

Besides, where Biden lost votes was him being compared to socialist candidates.  If that was Biden's weakness in 2020, Bernie was nothing but weakness.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #27073427 - 12/05/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I mean I do get that there is overlap between right wing and left wing populism. In Canadian history I believe there were traditionally NDP areas that elected Reform Party candidates. People who don't like the status quo can be willing to give the left or the right a shot at changing it.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil]
    #27073428 - 12/05/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

he was chosen for a demographic shift, old racists


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated]
    #27073435 - 12/05/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

and those yung ppl with no talent who uphold the capitalist caste system


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27073443 - 12/05/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The majority never voted for a reality tv star, though.  You know this, of course.  The problem with trump is that he was so much of an "outsider" that he was a buffoon.  The best opponent for him this election was someone who knows Washington and can present a professional image to the rest of the world.  If that person has had prior experience in the executive branch, even better.

Besides, where Biden lost votes was him being compared to socialist candidates.  If that was Biden's weakness in 2020, Bernie was nothing but weakness.





Yeah, it had nothing to do with the Pro-Establishment Media (CNN, NYT's, MSNBC, WP and others) constantly making false narratives against Bernie 24/7.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #27073447 - 12/05/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe to the 30,000 people who made Biden’s electoral victory possible in WI, PA, and AZ.

Biden lost votes among every demographic except white men, he had a huge drop off in support from latinos (which of course gets blamed on Sanders, because why not).

I’m not saying Biden wasn’t viewed as the safe bet for “returning to normalcy,” he absolutely was. I’m saying this prevent defense that the Democrats keep deploying is doomed to inevitable failure. How many times have we heard about the end of the Republican Party, and the demographic inevitability of Democratic majorities?

I know you don’t believe it, but the media plays a huge role in how people see politics, and the whole “let’s just get back to normal” was a narrative that was pushed heavily during the election.




Let’s just be honest here. The apparatus of power, as it exists today, stands to lose a lot of money and power if voters start believing anything better than the status quo is possible. A Sanders presidency wouldn’t have altered all that much, might have gotten universal healthcare, MAYBE. But the mere threat of a Democratic voter base that believes things can get better was too much to bare, and that’s why Sanders was attacked by Democratic operatives from the onset. It’s the same reason Jeremy Corbyn gets attacked by his own party in the UK.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods] * 1
    #27073449 - 12/05/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Sanders would have been crushed by Trump. You thought the fake dementia attacks were bad, imagine the real heart attack attack. Until this country changes its tune on socialism, you aren’t going to see someone like sanders get elected president. Plus his supporters are such cunts.




How should the US public change it's attitude on Medicare For All exactly?  The MSM that you love and admire so much seems to ignore what the voters want and just creates more false narratives for their corporate sponsors.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: qman] * 1
    #27073451 - 12/05/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

90% of Dems want M4A, and Pelosi won’t even so much as hold a vote on the House floor about it.

This is good, and normal, to koods.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated] * 1
    #27073453 - 12/05/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I had a coworker like that- Was all for Bernie, then once he was out of the primary dude was like "Oh well, I'm a Trump supporter now" ..then went full on Qannon, anitfa is coming to burn your house down, civil war blah blah blah. Weird thing to watch.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27073455 - 12/05/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

they will only vote for symbolic measures that will not pass the senate


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Lynnch] * 1
    #27073456 - 12/05/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah there’s a lot of animosity towards the status quo.

It’s a good strategy for the Democrats to shun those people and lead them towards white nationalism. /s


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27073464 - 12/05/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated] * 2
    #27073465 - 12/05/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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they will only vote for symbolic measures that will not pass the senate




Of course, the Democrats are useless.

But the point here is they can’t even hold a symbolic vote on something like M4A or a GND, because if by some miracle they’re actually forced to wield power, they’re on the hook for supporting said positions.

1. They can’t let their donors think they might be weak enough to actually listen to their voters.
2. They can’t let their voters think they’re deliberately sabotaging the policies they want enacted.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27073474 - 12/05/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)



just look at how they piggie back on the oppressed

this somehow turned into a joe biden ad at the end


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated]
    #27073480 - 12/05/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

which is why neera is OMB director, who is vocal about cutting everything

just as joe biden was at that age


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27073488 - 12/05/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You keep saying the status quo as if it means anything.  We have been in constant change for 50 years.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil]
    #27073489 - 12/05/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

LMAO

how conservative are u


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