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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Mycolorado] * 1
    #27072672 - 12/04/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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...you’re pushing the false narrative that it’s only supported by dems while Obama was in office and that the same will be true again when Biden becomes president.  As we’ve been at war 222/239 years of our existence, per your link, your stance is laughable. :shrug:



No, that's NOT my point.  I KNOW that Republicans have typically been the party of war; Obama helped get more Dems to support it as well.  Trump was one of the few Republicans to say he was against war, and while that's debatable, at least he didn't start any new ones.

I expect Biden, who served under Obama to be hawkish as well, but we'll see.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: falcon]
    #27072674 - 12/04/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

bruh...

they followed through with the highly effective campaigns and bombed hella ppl multilaterally

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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated] * 1
    #27072682 - 12/04/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

at least trump's CIA only tried soft coups based on questioning democratic processes, for our billionaires



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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated]
    #27072683 - 12/04/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

not total quagmires, that was obama and congress, cant even blame bush, he was born into the CIA

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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27073246 - 12/05/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I KNOW that Republicans have typically been the party of war; Obama helped get more Dems to support it as well.  Trump was one of the few Republicans to say he was against war, and while that's debatable, at least he didn't start any new ones.

I expect Biden, who served under Obama to be hawkish as well, but we'll see.



It's happening.  Biden will go with war hawk Tony Blinken for Secretary of State, and wants to go with war hawk Michele Flournoy for Secretary of Defense.  Progressives are now coming out against Flournoy.

My own Congressman, Ro Khanna, recently went on Fox News to speak out against what would be a terrible pick for Secretary of Defense (Fox seems more willing than MSNBC to discuss anti-war sentiment), and establishment Democrats are furious.

Watch at least the first two minutes of this:



It seems the Democrats here now realize they were tricked by the establishment media into voting for Biden over more progressive Democratic candidates based on all the recent "I'm voting against Trump, not for Biden" comments here.

Edit:  If you watch from 4:35 on, you'll hear some things that both parties can work together on against the establishment.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27073278 - 12/05/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I’m not sure what you mean by tricked.

Most Biden voters did vote Biden in order to vote against Trump. I think most people were well aware of Biden’s record, as well as what to expect under a Biden administration.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27073288 - 12/05/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Sometimes you have to talk to yourself in loaded language to justify your outrage

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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27073294 - 12/05/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I think it was probably pretty realistic to think Biden had a better chance of winning than a real left-wing candidate like Sanders.

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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27073303 - 12/05/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I’m not sure what you mean by tricked.

Most Biden voters did vote Biden in order to vote against Trump.



I meant voting for Biden in the Democratic primaries, not the final election.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi] * 3
    #27073316 - 12/05/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I think it was probably pretty realistic to think Biden had a better chance of winning than a real left-wing candidate like Sanders.



That's not what any of the polls said though.  Believe it or not, Sanders was surprisingly popular with Republicans.

I think we're seeing another major realignment in our political parties again.  Remember when Democrats used to support slavery in the 1800s?  And Republicans used to support war in the 1900s?

Watch the Laura Ingraham video I just posted above, and maybe you'll see what I'm talking about (especially watch at 4:36).


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27073321 - 12/05/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I’m not sure what you mean by tricked.

Most Biden voters did vote Biden in order to vote against Trump.



I meant voting for Biden in the Democratic primaries, not the final election.



People voted for Biden because he had the best chance of beating Trump.  That was the most important thing in this election.  Trump has done more damage to the nation than any three presidents, and anyone who voted for him clearly hates America.

No one relied on the polls this time around.  We all learned that painful lesson in 2016.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #27073344 - 12/05/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

no one was aware of his record, its been whitewashed... no one on the street can name one accomplishment he's made, other than being obamas liaison to wall street

50% of people didnt know who they were voting for on super tuesday because of his administration

democrats are the new conservative party by virtue of the fact that they are blindly accepting "the old way"

At least republicans have to wrestle with their values

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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27073352 - 12/05/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I think it was probably pretty realistic to think Biden had a better chance of winning than a real left-wing candidate like Sanders.



That's not what any of the polls said though.  Believe it or not, Sanders was surprisingly popular with Republicans.

I think we're seeing another major realignment in our political parties again.  Remember when Democrats used to support slavery in the 1800s?  And Republicans used to support war in the 1900s?

Watch the Laura Ingraham video I just posted above, and maybe you'll see what I'm talking about (especially watch at 4:36).




Good lord you’re posting Laura Ingraham videos now? Lol


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27073353 - 12/05/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I think it was probably pretty realistic to think Biden had a better chance of winning than a real left-wing candidate like Sanders.



That's not what any of the polls said though.  Believe it or not, Sanders was surprisingly popular with Republicans.

I think we're seeing another major realignment in our political parties again.  Remember when Democrats used to support slavery in the 1800s?  And Republicans used to support war in the 1900s?

Watch the Laura Ingraham video I just posted above, and maybe you'll see what I'm talking about (especially watch at 4:36).




Interesting, I would have  thought the "public healthcare  is tantamount to communism" sentiment would rule out someone like Sanders for a lot of centrist voters.

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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi] * 1
    #27073371 - 12/05/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Sanders would have been crushed by Trump. You thought the fake dementia attacks were bad, imagine the real heart attack attack. Until this country changes its tune on socialism, you aren’t going to see someone like sanders get elected president. Plus his supporters are such cunts.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi] * 1
    #27073377 - 12/05/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

bidens brain is fucked from hella cardiac problems in the 80s

drugs much

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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods] * 1
    #27073387 - 12/05/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It's crazy how so many of the names that get thrown around for presidential nominations these days are super ancient people. Historically, Eisenhower was the only president to serve during his 70s (just barely) other than Reagan and Trump.

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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #27073404 - 12/05/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I’m not sure what you mean by tricked.

Most Biden voters did vote Biden in order to vote against Trump.



I meant voting for Biden in the Democratic primaries, not the final election.



People voted for Biden because he had the best chance of beating Trump.  That was the most important thing in this election.  Trump has done more damage to the nation than any three presidents, and anyone who voted for him clearly hates America.

No one relied on the polls this time around.  We all learned that painful lesson in 2016.




Except the polls were the only metric that showed Biden having the best chance against Trump, and even those were mixed.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods] * 2
    #27073408 - 12/05/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Sanders would have been crushed by Trump. You thought the fake dementia attacks were bad, imagine the real heart attack attack. Until this country changes its tune on socialism, you aren’t going to see someone like sanders get elected president. Plus his supporters are such cunts.




So was it the health problems or the socialism label that made a Sanders win impossible?

Biden got accusations of both and still eeked out a win.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi] * 1
    #27073412 - 12/05/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I think this thread by FW provided a good insight into exactly what they refer to when they say "Sanders was surprisingly popular with Republicans." Some select cuts:

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I find myself in that category, where I'd rather vote for a populist right candidate than an establishment left candidate.

[...]

I guess what I was trying to say is we should have a party that is anti-establishment that focuses on the things both sides can agree on, and largely ignore other things.

[..]

Ignore every contentious issue, because I don't think the status quo is a 'disaster' like you do.  If guns don't go away, so what?  If we don't open our borders to immigrants, so what?

Economic issues are FAR more important, like getting billionaires to pay as much as taxes as the bottom 50%.  Putting money back into the hands of the 99%, in other words.

Single payer healthcare IS an economic issue that people on BOTH sides are now embracing (no, not establishment people on either side).  Status quo for the other issues is just fine by me.

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I should have said we should ignore the contentious issues that don't impact people's wallet.  Medicare for All as originally proposed by Bernie is obviously contentious, but would have given the bottom 95% a break in how much they pay for healthcare.

[...]

Now you're understanding the reason I created this thread.  If the Bernie supporters on the left joined those on the right with similar economic values (above things like open borders, PC censorship, gun control, etc), someone like Bernie might have a shot.  Bernie was actually surprisingly popular with many on the right.

[...]

Right now in America, I'd take economic progress over social progress, because socially we've come a long way, but economically we're falling apart.





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