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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27072287 - 12/04/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Absolutely.  It's just interesting that the CIA felt Obama was so important in turning public opinion around that they wrote a memo about how they needed him to do this.




Did you read the any of that article that you linked to? The writer of the article drew conclusions from it that were not there. The CIA in the quotes in the article believed that the German and French citizens were a little more supportive of the war when Obama expressed his support. Glenn Greenwood is waxing bullshit in that article drawing conclusions way beyond what is suggested from that CIA document.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: falcon]
    #27072298 - 12/04/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

There’s nothing particularly noteworthy about the cia document. Seems like boilerplate analysis to me.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: qman] * 1
    #27072300 - 12/04/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Pretty sure saying "I don't know who/what X is, so I can't say if I support X" is not "disavowing" anything. All you gotta do is look at the guy- racist policies, racist views, and a racist cabinet- The guy's a fucking racist!




Give Biden a second chance for god sakes.



Of course I mean Trump, he made his political career saying Mexican immigrants were "rapists and murderers." That is racism.  Also, demonizing Muslims, using black people as political pawns, "Look at my African American over there."-DJT  and, advocating xenophobic Nationalism..

Fuck Trump and any moronic MAGAt who supports him.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27072308 - 12/04/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Absolutely.  It's just interesting that the CIA felt Obama was so important in turning public opinion around that they wrote a memo about how they needed him to do this.




Of course. He’s still important. Americans love Obama, the “eloquent, clean black man” as Biden put it.  He successfully halted Bernie’s insurgency primary campaign, stepped in to prevent an NBA players strike in the wake of police violence, and even now is telling activists that “defund the police” is bad form. The man is a sociopath, and that’s why he’s so useful. He puts a hip, cultured affect in the bloated corpse of American exceptionalism.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods]
    #27072310 - 12/04/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Seems like Greenwald was at a loss for something to write that day and served up some slop.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: falcon] * 2
    #27072316 - 12/04/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Greenwald has some shitty takes sometimes, but just because this is run-of-the-mill CIA payola doesn’t make it not noteworthy.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27072318 - 12/04/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Psyops* this shitty website won’t let me hit the edit button


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27072347 - 12/04/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Didn't seem significant, more like analysis. Not saying they don't fuck with what they shouldn't, just that that document isn't showing it.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: falcon]
    #27072409 - 12/04/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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It's just interesting that the CIA felt Obama was so important in turning public opinion around that they wrote a memo about how they needed him to do this.



Did you read the any of that article that you linked to?



Yes I did.  It's only 3 1/2 pages.

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The writer of the article drew conclusions from it that were not there. The CIA in the quotes in the article believed that the German and French citizens were a little more supportive of the war when Obama expressed his support. Glenn Greenwood is waxing bullshit in that article drawing conclusions way beyond what is suggested from that CIA document.



What conclusions did he draw that weren't there?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27072519 - 12/04/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That it was more than conjecture, by a group of a analysts called Red Cell, that it became policy.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: falcon]
    #27072566 - 12/04/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm pretty sure he didn't say that it became policy (whatever that even means).  He simply explained how the CIA saw the value in Obama for making people support endless war.

Can you quote his conclusions that were not there?  I like Glenn Greenwald, so I'm just trying to better understand your point.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: falcon]
    #27072567 - 12/04/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

the memo was just as this "ISIS" gang started up


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #27072579 - 12/04/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Nowhere in there does it say endless war.  It specifically states it was to help garner support among French and German women mainly, for the ISAF mission which was supported by all NATO members, as they felt Obama could handle Afghanistan.  Why do you keep twisting meanings and substituting words to support a narrative you’re fabricating that “war is cool again now that Biden is president, if you’re a democrat” and that somehow Obama was something other than a typical us establishment president?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Mycolorado]
    #27072607 - 12/04/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Nowhere in there does it say endless war.



OF COURSE the Government isn't going to use the words "endless war".  But when has the US not been at war besides the Great Depression?  (don't answer)  Glenn Greenwald clearly knows what he's talking about.

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It specifically states it was to help garner support among French and German women mainly, for the ISAF mission which was supported by all NATO members, as they felt Obama could handle Afghanistan.



Excactly.  It talked about how Obama should be used to help garner support for The International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan.

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Why do you keep twisting meanings and substituting words to support a narrative you’re fabricating that “war is cool again now that Biden is president, if you’re a democrat” and that somehow Obama was something other than a typical us establishment president?



Asked and answered here.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27072628 - 12/04/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

trump mighta dropped 7k bombs last year but i dont remember them hitting a school or him fabricating stories that enabled war other than domestically


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27072630 - 12/04/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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But when has the US not been at war besides the Great Depression?




Thanks, that’s my point.  Yet you’re pushing the false narrative that it’s only supported by dems while Obama was in office and that the same will be true again when Biden becomes president.  As we’ve been at war 222/239 years of our existence, per your link, your stance is laughable. :shrug:


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Mycolorado] * 1
    #27072632 - 12/04/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

ur point was not ur point but now it is

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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated]
    #27072643 - 12/04/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That’s fair.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Mycolorado]
    #27072656 - 12/04/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The whole point is CNN and MSNBC only have warmongers to talk about foreign policy and they all own the same stocks


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27072663 - 12/04/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm pretty sure he didn't say that it became policy (whatever that even means).  He simply explained how the CIA saw the value in Obama for making people support endless war.

Can you quote his conclusions that were not there?  I like Glenn Greenwald, so I'm just trying to better understand your point.





He's treating a memo by a group of analysts at the CIA as a working model, the memo is analysis and possibilities. It is easy to say that the CIA viewed Obama this way, but it doesn't show that, the memo is observations and opinions by a committee of bright guys who are paid to observe and reflect and serve up opinion to management within the CIA, these guys do not make policy. They supply their thoughts on a situation to those who do.


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