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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27066451 - 12/01/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

We've already seen koods and many other criticize Trump for wanting to end our foreign wars, proving the point.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27066454 - 12/01/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

When would you say it was least cool before this coolness revival?

My feeling is that a major "cool again" event was the Gulf War under Bush Sr.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi]
    #27066508 - 12/01/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

LOL.  Nowhere in that article does it say “War is cool again now that Joe Biden is president, at least if you're a Democrat.“. Why do you have to make stuff up? :facepalm:  So, the Bush admin creates a CIA program, ostensibly to help promote positive sentiment for wars on terror by populations domestic and abroad, which is passed to Obama and then trump says some things on tv.  Now, trump is kicked out of office by US voters and it’s all because war is cool.  Sure.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Mycolorado]
    #27066551 - 12/01/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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LOL.  Nowhere in that article does it say “War is cool again now that Joe Biden is president, at least if you're a Democrat.“. Why do you have to make stuff up? :facepalm:



Again, the CIA wanted to use Obama to make the public supportive of endless war.  They didn't actually use the word "cool", but if the public is supportive of war that means they're cool with it.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27066587 - 12/01/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

What does the CIAs intent with Obama have to do with war being cool if you’re a democrat now that Biden is president?  You’re making shit up. :shrug:


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27066597 - 12/01/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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LOL.  Nowhere in that article does it say “War is cool again now that Joe Biden is president, at least if you're a Democrat.“. Why do you have to make stuff up? :facepalm:



Again, the CIA wanted to use Obama to make the public supportive of endless war.  They didn't actually use the word "cool", but if the public is supportive of war that means they're cool with it.



Did the CIA want any other presidents to do the same I wonder? Seems like endless war has been the norm for quite some time.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Mycolorado]
    #27066655 - 12/01/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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What does the CIAs intent with Obama have to do with war being cool if you’re a democrat now that Biden is president?  You’re making shit up. :shrug:



It's the story that got posted.  The CIA wanted to make the public supportive of (cool with) endless war.  They clearly succeeded.

If you don't like the word "cool" then just substitute "supportive".


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi]
    #27066658 - 12/01/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Did the CIA want any other presidents to do the same I wonder? Seems like endless war has been the norm for quite some time.



I don't know.  They only talked about Obama in the CIA's Red Cell report.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27066732 - 12/01/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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What does the CIAs intent with Obama have to do with war being cool if you’re a democrat now that Biden is president?  You’re making shit up. :shrug:



It's the story that got posted.  The CIA wanted to make the public supportive of (cool with) endless war.  They clearly succeeded.

If you don't like the word "cool" then just substitute "supportive".




You’re still not showing how war is cool/supported if you’re a democrat now that Biden is president.  You’re making baseless accusations.  Why?  Continuing to point to the article doesn’t support your claim.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Mycolorado]
    #27066871 - 12/01/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, I should have said war was cool/supported by Democrats while Obama was in office.  I assumed that it will be supported again once Biden becomes president, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Mycolorado]
    #27066892 - 12/01/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Note also the subtle wordplay:

War is cool >>> cool with war >>> supportive of war

War being a 'fashionable positive' transforms into 'dispassionate acceptance' of war; and then FW uses this new definition to deflect the initial criticism: "If you don't like the word "cool" then just substitute "supportive".


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27066930 - 12/01/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think being supportive of war is a 'dispassionate acceptance'.  I've had many debates with people passionately attacking Trump for wanting to get us out of war.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27066950 - 12/01/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Trump has chosen to keep the war going for his entire time in office. If he wanted to end the war, he would have.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil]
    #27067345 - 12/01/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Trump has chosen to keep the war going for his entire time in office. If he wanted to end the war, he would have.




He got huge support every time he suggested he was going to stop the wars, yet he didn't do it. Did you ever think that a former TV reality star with ZERO geopolitical military experience isn't allowed to make those big decisions?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: qman]
    #27067382 - 12/01/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Trump has chosen to keep the war going for his entire time in office. If he wanted to end the war, he would have.




He got huge support every time he suggested he was going to stop the wars, yet he didn't do it. Did you ever think that a former TV reality star with ZERO geopolitical military experience isn't allowed to make those big decisions?



People were hiding things from Trump as well:

Outgoing Syria Envoy Admits Hiding US Troop Numbers; Praises Trump’s Mideast Record
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“We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there,” Jeffrey said in an interview. The actual number of troops in northeast Syria is “a lot more than” the roughly two hundred troops Trump initially agreed to leave there in 2019.




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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27067698 - 12/02/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

All he had to do was order them to stand down.  He chose not to.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil]
    #27071930 - 12/04/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Pretty sure saying "I don't know who/what X is, so I can't say if I support X" is not "disavowing" anything. All you gotta do is look at the guy- racist policies, racist views, and a racist cabinet- The guy's a fucking racist!


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: STPLSD25]
    #27071991 - 12/04/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Pretty sure saying "I don't know who/what X is, so I can't say if I support X" is not "disavowing" anything. All you gotta do is look at the guy- racist policies, racist views, and a racist cabinet- The guy's a fucking racist!




Give Biden a second chance for god sakes.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27072148 - 12/04/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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LOL.  Nowhere in that article does it say “War is cool again now that Joe Biden is president, at least if you're a Democrat.“. Why do you have to make stuff up? :facepalm:



Again, the CIA wanted to use Obama to make the public supportive of endless war.  They didn't actually use the word "cool", but if the public is supportive of war that means they're cool with it.




This is true of every elected official. They’re the nice gloss that gets put on the empire.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27072190 - 12/04/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Absolutely.  It's just interesting that the CIA felt Obama was so important in turning public opinion around that they wrote a memo about how they needed him to do this.


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