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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26984345 - 10/14/20 12:19 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Nonagon Infinity said:
Falcon moving the goalposts again...

nate: points out that Trump endorsed extrajudicial killings in the Philippines.

Falcon: "ThAt'S nOt An EnDoRsEmEnT oF mEtHoDoLoGy"



So far, so good.

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nate: provides a direct quote from Trump, which demonstrates beyond doubt that he endorsed the way that the president of the Philippines dealt with their drug crime problem (extrajudicial killings).



Source, or make believe?

Can you please provide "a direct quote from Trump, which demonstrates beyond doubt that he endorsed the way that the president of the Philippines dealt with their drug crime problem (extrajudicial killings)"?

I seemed to have missed that direct quote.  Thanks.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26984370 - 10/14/20 12:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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These are trumps exact words
"I just wanted to congratulate you because I am hearing of the unbelievable job on the drug problem, many countries have the problem, we have a problem, but what a great job you are doing and I just wanted to call and tell you that."

Sounds like an endorsement of methodology to me.



It doesn't sound like an endorsement of methodology to me.

If you called an exterminator to kill termites in your house, and the exterminator burned your house down to kill them, you could say he did a great job of exterminating the termites, but that doesn't mean you endorse the method.

Again, Trump is just playing politics.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 8
    #26984569 - 10/14/20 06:41 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Whatever dude. Youre an obvious troll


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26984632 - 10/14/20 07:53 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You guys think you hate trump wait until biden wins this election lol.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26984639 - 10/14/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I'm not buying what the mainstream media sold you.

For example, instead of saying:

"He praises and defends Kim Jong Un and Putin, liking their total control over their people"

You could have said:

"He understand how to work with traditional enemies who have authoritarian Governments."

Unless you can actually show he is "liking their total control over their people", which I'm pretty sure is make believe.  :shrug:





How has he understood how to work with Kim Jong Un? I can think of no progress that was made. It was a just a big propaganda moment for Trump.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Mach z 800]
    #26984643 - 10/14/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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You guys think you hate trump wait until biden wins this election lol.




Is "hate Trump wait" part of a sentence?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26984650 - 10/14/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

How could Biden be worse? Even if he falls asleep mid sentence he'll still have more to say than Trump.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: christopera]
    #26984733 - 10/14/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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How could Biden be worse? Even if he falls asleep mid sentence he'll still have more to say than Trump.



😂🤣how could biden be worse? They dont call him creepy joe for nothing hes as dirty as the Clintons 🤣.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26984840 - 10/14/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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How has he understood how to work with Kim Jong Un? I can think of no progress that was made. It was a just a big propaganda moment for Trump.



If by "progress" you mean getting N. Korea to get rid of their nuclear weapons, I would agree.  It would be dumb for North Korea to get rid of their nuclear weapons just because the US beats its chest and tells them to, as past Presidents have tried and failed to do.  North Korea knows U.S. security guarantees aren't any good based on our past behavior.  They would like something more in return, and are willing to engage in discussions.

What Trump has done is help improve relations between North Korea, South Korea, and the US for the time being, which makes the world a little safer.  He's the first to get all three leaders together.  Having open dialogue is better, in my opinion, than what we've had in the past.



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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Mach z 800]
    #26984860 - 10/14/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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How could Biden be worse? Even if he falls asleep mid sentence he'll still have more to say than Trump.



😂🤣how could biden be worse? They dont call him creepy joe for nothing hes as dirty as the Clintons 🤣.




Who calls him creepy joe besides trump and his cult members?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods]
    #26984910 - 10/14/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You know, they. Some of "they" even post here.

:blah: . . . :peace:


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Mach z 800]
    #26985096 - 10/14/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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You guys think you hate trump wait until biden wins this election lol.




You know, you don’t have to actually like any of these right wing psychopaths.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26986571 - 10/15/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I think when anyone labels Donald Trump a former New York City real estate tycoon with a popular TV show as a 'white supremacist', you not only dilute the word, but you also lose most of the people in the political center. I'm not saying Trump hasn't done racist acts in the past, but so have most people as well.

My point is that you're not going to win many arguments if you just try to redefine terms for your own benefit. Most people do NOT recognize Trump as any type of 'white supremacist. If one were to apply that label to Trump, then the same would apply to Biden and also tens of millions of regular US citizens.




Trump has lent support to White Supremacists, with some qualifications. There is absolutely no doubt that they (to whatever degree wrongly or rightly) are emboldened by him and in many cases feel they are carrying out his somewhat unspoken policies.

Biden has made some gaffes on race but his true offenses were many years ago, so I don't think he can be equated with Trump on the current racial environment in this country.

Your comments about how the center is reacting to this dialogue would probably be accurate in any other election, but not this one. Although Trump's downfall clearly originated in the Covid crisis beginning in March, it accelerated throughout the civil unrest. The public is more against white supremacy and Trump right now, than they are against BLM and ANTIFA. The polling numbers we are seeing every week would be impossible if this wasn't the case. In any previous year the street violence would have benefitted the GOP and hurt the Dems. Not now. The center has turned against Trump and blame him for damn near everything.


lol trump has said many times that hes against white supremacist lol. But i love how you give biden a free pass because it happened so long ago 😂🤣


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods]
    #26986577 - 10/15/20 07:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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How could Biden be worse? Even if he falls asleep mid sentence he'll still have more to say than Trump.



😂🤣how could biden be worse? They dont call him creepy joe for nothing hes as dirty as the Clintons 🤣.




Who calls him creepy joe besides trump and his cult members?


this thread is better off being called im voting for biden because trump is a white supremacistlol. Thats all you guys got left to get trump out of office is to say hes a racist lol since your impeachment failed to get him out of office. Lol an it dont help that that proud boys an BLM are starting to work together now.



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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Mach z 800]
    #26986682 - 10/15/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Disavowed? In what fantasy world did this happen? On Nation TV the only thing he said was "Stand back and stand by.." That is not disavowing, that is treating them as your own private army.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: STPLSD25] * 1
    #26986707 - 10/15/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Disavowed? In what fantasy world did this happen? On Nation TV the only thing he said was "Stand back and stand by.." That is not disavowing, that is treating them as your own private army.



Watch "Trump on racism and violence, past and present" on YouTube


He has done it multiple times,its just the media plays people like fiddle with fake news.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Mach z 800] * 1
    #26986769 - 10/15/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Lol an it dont help that that proud boys an BLM are starting to work together now.




Just for the awareness of any readers: this is a highly misleading statement. A minimal amount of research into the idea that the Proud Boys and BLM are starting to work together will show that this is completely false.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Mach z 800]
    #26986779 - 10/15/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah he was really speaking against racism when he tried to have 5 black men executed for a crime they didn't commit. Besides, he was obviously reading off of a teleprompter, when it's off the cuff, and he is asked, he can never blatantly disavow racism, and in fact his attempt became a slogan on Proud Boys Merchandise.

Furthermore, "Fake News" is a dangerous presumption because you Trump supporters use it to write off any media that isn't pro Trump... Legit, sounds like scientology or Mormonism where you can't watch any negative media against them... That is what CULTS do...

Now granted, all media is controlled by Bernays style propaganda... this is true, but Trumps media outlets are certainly no exception, in fact, they push their own agenda pretending to care about the Constitution while your leader could care less, and would probably be much more comfortable being an all-out dictator, and is probably trying to strategize to those ends as we speak.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 1
    #26986809 - 10/15/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Lol an it dont help that that proud boys an BLM are starting to work together now.




Just for the awareness of any readers: this is a highly misleading statement. A minimal amount of research into the idea that the Proud Boys and BLM are starting to work together will show that this is completely false.



Watch "BLM group, Proud Boys stand together at Salt Lake City press conference. #blm #ProudBoys #endracism" on YouTube


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Mach z 800] * 1
    #26987817 - 10/16/20 12:29 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Lol an it dont help that that proud boys an BLM are starting to work together now.




Just for the awareness of any readers: this is a highly misleading statement. A minimal amount of research into the idea that the Proud Boys and BLM are starting to work together will show that this is completely false.



Watch "BLM group, Proud Boys stand together at Salt Lake City press conference. #blm #ProudBoys #endracism" on YouTube




Yes, I'm well aware of that news story... I mentioned that a minimal amount of research into the idea that the Proud Boys and BLM are starting to work together will show that this is completely false, didn't I? If you're going to say something like "The Proud Boys and BLM are starting to work together" (an incident that would be highly unlikely), you really need to look into the details of your information sources.

The woman speaking at the press conference you cited here is Jacarri Kelly, the leader of "Black Lives Matter North Utah," an organization which is not affiliated with the BLM movement in the entirety of the state of Utah, which is actually led by Alexis Scott. In other words, her words don't necessarily represent the movement as a whole. The BLM chapter for the entire state of Utah has made some effort to distance themselves from "Black Lives Matter North Utah," (probably because of stuff like this), the same way that the Proud Boys have tried to distance themselves from Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes because he's so obviously racist.

The Proud Boys have been labeled a white supremacist hate group by the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center, two independent hate group watchdogs. They have also been identified as a right-wing extremist group by the FBI. That is, both the US government and independent fact-checkers recognize the Proud Boys as an extremist group. White Supremacy has been a part of the Proud Boys since they were founded (by Gavin McInnes, a known neo-nazi), and they have been present at many white-supremacist gatherings (most notably the "unite the right rally" that happened in Charlottesville in 2017). BLM (the nation-wide movement, not this fringe chapter in Northern Utah) makes it clear in their mission statement that one of their goals is to eliminate white supremacy. The Proud Boys are white supremacists, and Jacarri Kelly is either unaware of that, or she has a political motivation for concealing this fact.

Just to be clear, I believe that Jacarri Kelly has had pleasant experiences with the two Proud Boys representatives from this news story. I believe it is possible that she has found common ground with them as individuals, and I don't think that's a bad thing at all. What I have a problem with is that you are trying to extend this interaction between individuals and draw the conclusion that these two large organizations are now "working together". Aside from being false, it also exposes your goal of making the Proud Boys seem like reasonable people who "just want to talk," which is just not true. They're an extremist hate group, and the fact that they have a couple of members who happened to treat Jacarri Kelly nicely doesn't mean we get to conclude that the entirety of the Proud Boys would behave this way.


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