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Re: The Nigga Word? [Re: koods]
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Kelazam said: It's imo the most powerful curse word that someone could say publicly.
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To answer your original question. It’s about claiming domain over a word. The word used to be solely directed at blacks to denegrate them. Then black people started using the word themselves in a positive, friendly way. Now black people have effectively taken total control of the word. That’s fairly empowering.
Except it still makes people think of the past meaning though, naturally. At this point if they've taken full control over it, why can't both uses be buried?
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I was watching this reality tv show about this county jail in Georgia or something (first and last or something like that). Seemed like people there more or less used "nigga" to mean "guy", not so much a black guy in particular. And nobody skipped a beat when it was a white guy using the term in this way. Now I don't know what can be concluded from that but I sure don't go around saying it.
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Kelazam said: It's imo the most powerful curse word that someone could say publicly.
Cunt
To answer your original question. It’s about claiming domain over a word. The word used to be solely directed at blacks to denegrate them. Then black people started using the word themselves in a positive, friendly way. Now black people have effectively taken total control of the word. That’s fairly empowering.
Except it still makes people think of the past meaning though, naturally. At this point if they've taken full control over it, why can't both uses be buried?
Because the word represents a victory. Like, this used to be your word and now it’s ours. We control it and get to set the rules.
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@King Klick, careful dude, don't go down the path of cancel culture. Browbeating someone into your way of thinking is not the way to help people come to a real understanding or realisation. The idea is to persuade, not oppress or enforce, so these discussions need to be had in a civil way for us all to find our own appreciation of an issue in our own way. I believe that it is fine (and even good) to ask the question if it is done in a sensitive way for the purpose of understanding and self betterment. It is not ok to use racial slurs against another race, culture or social group or to try and tell that group how they should deal with or use the slurs that are levelled against them.
I too have wondered about the psychological/psychosocial implications of black people using the "N" word. In one way, yes they have made it their own and have taken some of the power out of it but in the same instance it reinforces the idea of "otherness" and reminds them of a horrible past based on oppression, servitude and cultural destruction. I understand that this is part of the reason behind its continued usage, to remind themselves to push forwards without forgetting the past and also to remind white society what they did to them. But at the same time I do wonder if it has some negative effects on truly becoming unified and moving forward as a society. At some point the hurt has to be left behind to truly heal. Read up a little on pejorative language and psychological violence as a way to perpetuate systems of oppression and you might see what I am getting at.
I am fascinated with the way Iyaric (dread-talk) has changed an entire language to reflect their beliefs and customs, consciously rewriting almost every word to bring positive connotations to a language that was forced upon them, so that every sentence said is about moving forward and remaining positive in the face of oppression without being held back by their past. Now that to me is taking real ownership...
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Re: The Nigga Word? [Re: psi]
#26964566 - 10/01/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah.
I don't anymore. I used to occasionally, but stopped many years ago. I'm sure I've done it on this board back in the day.
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Re: The Nigga Word? [Re: psi] 1
#26964570 - 10/01/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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psi said: I was watching this reality tv show about this county jail in Georgia or something (first and last or something like that). Seemed like people there more or less used "nigga" to mean "guy", not so much a black guy in particular. And nobody skipped a beat when it was a white guy using the term in this way. Now I don't know what can be concluded from that but I sure don't go around saying it.
I think it means that the language of use is very often influenced and dictated by social status. Some languages have a formal and informal “you” and which one you use is determined by the social status of the speaker and target.
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mistamonsta said: @King Klick, careful dude, don't go down the path of cancel culture. Browbeating someone into your way of thinking is not the way to help people come to a real understanding or realisation. The idea is to persuade, not oppress or enforce, so these discussions need to be had in a civil way for us all to find our own appreciation of an issue in our own way. I believe that it is fine (and even good) to ask the question if it is done in a sensitive way for the purpose of understanding and self betterment. It is not ok to use racial slurs against another race, culture or social group or to try and tell that group how they should deal with or use the slurs that are levelled against them.
I too have wondered about the psychological/psychosocial implications of black people using the "N" word. In one way, yes they have made it their own and have taken some of the power out of it but in the same instance it reinforces the idea of "otherness" and reminds them of a horrible past based on oppression, servitude and cultural destruction. I understand that this is part of the reason behind its continued usage, to remind themselves to push forwards without forgetting the past and also to remind white society what they did to them. But at the same time I do wonder if it has some negative effects on truly becoming unified and moving forward as a society. At some point the hurt has to be left behind to truly heal. Read up a little on pejorative language and psychological violence as a way to perpetuate systems of oppression and you might see what I am getting at.
I am fascinated with the way Iyaric (dread-talk) has changed an entire language to reflect their beliefs and customs, consciously rewriting almost every word to bring positive connotations to a language that was forced upon them, so that every sentence said is about moving forward and remaining positive in the face of oppression without being held back by their past. Now that to me is taking real ownership...
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mistamonsta said: @King Klick, careful dude, don't go down the path of cancel culture. Browbeating someone into your way of thinking is not the way to help people come to a real understanding or realisation. The idea is to persuade, not oppress or enforce, so these discussions need to be had in a civil way for us all to find our own appreciation of an issue in our own way. I believe that it is fine (and even good) to ask the question if it is done in a sensitive way for the purpose of understanding and self betterment. It is not ok to use racial slurs against another race, culture or social group or to try and tell that group how they should deal with or use the slurs that are levelled against them.
I too have wondered about the psychological/psychosocial implications of black people using the "N" word. In one way, yes they have made it their own and have taken some of the power out of it but in the same instance it reinforces the idea of "otherness" and reminds them of a horrible past based on oppression, servitude and cultural destruction. I understand that this is part of the reason behind its continued usage, to remind themselves to push forwards without forgetting the past and also to remind white society what they did to them. But at the same time I do wonder if it has some negative effects on truly becoming unified and moving forward as a society. At some point the hurt has to be left behind to truly heal. Read up a little on pejorative language and psychological violence as a way to perpetuate systems of oppression and you might see what I am getting at.
I am fascinated with the way Iyaric (dread-talk) has changed an entire language to reflect their beliefs and customs, consciously rewriting almost every word to bring positive connotations to a language that was forced upon them, so that every sentence said is about moving forward and remaining positive in the face of oppression without being held back by their past. Now that to me is taking real ownership...
You can't oppress a nazi, but i get your point. But being a nazi apologist? Fuck that. If you don't understand why black people can say the n word but you can't then you're fucking retarded. I also tell black people not to say it, and they usually appreciate that. Why don't you wonder about things that matter such as, what can i do to help poc feel more included in my community, or why is my local police department funded 8x as much as any other social program?
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Re: The Nigga Word? [Re: koods]
#26964590 - 10/01/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is it really such a big deal if black people get to call each other nigga, but it’s not ok for white people to use the word outside appropriate social situations? And since that situation cannot be well defined, maybe just leave the word to black people? It’s really not that big of a deal.
If anything it’s more of a cultural distinction than a racial one, anyways.
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Re: The Nigga Word? [Re: koods]
#26964592 - 10/01/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gangsta rap
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Re: The Nigga Word? [Re: Kelazam]
#26964598 - 10/01/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought ypipo saying the soft a wasn't as big of a deal anymore
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Re: The Nigga Word? [Re: koods]
#26964600 - 10/01/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Is it really such a big deal if black people get to call each other nigga, but it’s not ok for white people to use the word outside appropriate social situations? And since that situation cannot be well defined, maybe just leave the word to black people? It’s really not that big of a deal.
If anything it’s more of a cultural distinction than a racial one, anyways.
It's nothing to lose sleep over, but it is a pretty useless word, like a lot of words now.
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koods said: Is it really such a big deal if black people get to call each other nigga, but it’s not ok for white people to use the word outside appropriate social situations? And since that situation cannot be well defined, maybe just leave the word to black people? It’s really not that big of a deal.
If anything it’s more of a cultural distinction than a racial one, anyways.
It's nothing to lose sleep over, but it is a pretty useless word, like a lot of words now.
Are you black? Can you make that fucking call? Fuck you Even if you are black, that's not your fucking call yo make. Fuck you
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koods said: Is it really such a big deal if black people get to call each other nigga, but it’s not ok for white people to use the word outside appropriate social situations? And since that situation cannot be well defined, maybe just leave the word to black people? It’s really not that big of a deal.
If anything it’s more of a cultural distinction than a racial one, anyways.
It's nothing to lose sleep over, but it is a pretty useless word, like a lot of words now.
Are you black? Can you make that fucking call? Fuck you Even if you are black, that's not your fucking call yo make. Fuck you
The f word is also useless, like your post.
You think everything in someone's culture would be ok just because it's their "culture"? Stop separating people based on skin color.
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This isn't a useless conversation, you're just a useless fucking person.
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Re: The Nigga Word? [Re: yeah] 1
#26964626 - 10/01/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It’s not that it isn’t a big deal, because plenty of white people use it. It’s just a bit of a mine field. I think in casual situations, it’s a sign of acceptance into mixed race social group for a white person to use the word and not offend. Nobody should be using the word outside of a casual relationship situation.
It’s not like this is a unique situation. A guy probably couldn’t call a female stranger “babe.”
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You can't oppress a nazi, but i get your point. But being a nazi apologist? Fuck that. If you don't understand why black people can say the n word but you can't then you're fucking retarded. I also tell black people not to say it, and they usually appreciate that. Why don't you wonder about things that matter such as, what can i do to help poc feel more included in my community, or why is my local police department funded 8x as much as any other social program?
You're doing it again, resorting to abusive language to try and enforce your point. Nazi? Retard? Both of these are also slurs against different groups, you are becoming what you say you aren't... I can see that you are angry and I understand why but I will bring you back to my first point about civil discussion in order to persuade. Eloquence will get you much further than hostility in a discussion.
You also make some huge assumptions in just a few sentences. I do think about and discuss the things you mentioned regarding social programs and police funding as quite important and I do strive to make changes in society regarding acceptance and understanding of all cultures and groups, hence me making my comments on a sensitive subject from what I think to be a very carefully considered viewpoint. However I dont find these issues to be mutually exclusive with the other points I have made. It's about trying to see and consider the picture as a whole, not just focussing on one or two aspects.
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King Klick said: This isn't a useless conversation, you're just a useless fucking person.
Are you a troll or are you just easily offended? Serious question. You don't even know me, so your responses are strange.
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I no longer want to be a part of this community. you guys are fucked
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